New Defender with issues that LR are at a loss why.

if you must have a winch you should get one of these

Pity the US dealer didn't watch this video or at least follow the on-line instructions.
45 mins video on how to fit a winch is not a good sign, most come with a single page of A4 (in chinese...)
Who's betting JLR gave them the winch to show the Yanks how its done?

turrican said:

Found winch install video

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22:20 - "No looms were damaged in the making of this video.." Ouch!
Never expected to be laughing out loud at an install video!

rob1miles said:

Pity the US dealer didn't watch this video or at least follow the on-line instructions.
45 mins video on how to fit a winch is not a good sign, most come with a single page of A4 (in chinese...)
Who's betting JLR gave them the winch to show the Yanks how its done?

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45 mins, that's only the stripdown but they don't rush it. Don't mind watching their videos.

I bet they trapped a loom when fitting one of the ten thousand parts they had to remove before fitting. From experience vehicle manufacturers will not authorise loom repairs under warranty and do not have looms in the parts system so will have to get some jobsworth to release the loom from assembly plant.

Well its seems not just Defenders get messed up by US garages:

rob1miles said:

Well its seems not just Defenders get messed up by US garages:

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Some people talk too much

kermit_rr said:

Some people talk too much

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Pretty much all yanks.

always a good video

update

Cheers

And then you have the convicts..



Cheers

Watching the TFL video really brought home to me how complex this vehicle is. Heater steering wheel, 6 zone climate control, 11 (or was it 14?) way powered seats. I would feel very nervous with that level of complexity if it was my own money, OK to lease or hire when someone else has to fix it.

I must admit being a Loyal Landrover Guy, it is so sad to see a company that has had such a good pedigree in early days, being reduced to a laughing stock,
I remember talking to a guy with an X5 he was saying about LR being unreliable, I pointed at my Discovery and commented, the X5 you drive to Tesco, the Discovery you get in and drive it around the world ??
Unfortunately now Landrover think they have built a new vehicle to replace a legend which was always going to be a tough task, now if a Defender makes it off the dealers forecourt, its a result, How many LR guys would use a new Defender to drive around the world ??

DRW

DRW555 said:

I must admit being a Loyal Landrover Guy, it is so sad to see a company that has had such a good pedigree in early days, being reduced to a laughing stock,
I remember talking to a guy with an X5 he was saying about LR being unreliable, I pointed at my Discovery and commented, the X5 you drive to Tesco, the Discovery you get in and drive it around the world ??
Unfortunately now Landrover think they have built a new vehicle to replace a legend which was always going to be a tough task, now if a Defender makes it off the dealers forecourt, its a result, How many LR guys would use a new Defender to drive around the world ??

DRW

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For the one you hear about, there are lots driving around that do not have issues.

Cheers

Sorry I have obviously upset you AGAIN !!!

DRW555 said:

I must admit being a Loyal Landrover Guy, it is so sad to see a company that has had such a good pedigree in early days, being reduced to a laughing stock

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Could be because it isn't the same company.
Real Land Rovers were built by the Rover Company, then by British Leyland, there was never a company called Land Rover.

Since that time " Landrovers" have been built by Ford, and then I think by somebody else for a bit, and then by JLR, which is a subsidiary of Tata, an Indian steel company.

They are just SUVs with a green oval badge, also never used by Rover, trading on the brand loyalty built up between 1948 and 1990.

Well thats it, I've just seen my first Defender 110, brand new and parked outside the local Coop with the owner inside getting his newspaper.
The 110 is certainly a big lump and with the various “design” features there’s nothing else like it. I watch it pull away, it was very quiet other that a ticking sound, perhaps from a stone or a sticky label stuck on the tyre tread as it rolled along

I find it difficult to call jlr, Britain's biggest car builder, cr*p. The company has moved with the times. No longer do peeps have a new car wishlist of built like a wheel barrow, corners like a wheel barrow, top speed of a wheel barrow and as comfortable as one. Times change. Most of us have fitted central heating in our houses since the first tratters were built. While some on ere still can't eggscept the introduction of coil springs, others will be planning to buy one of these new tratters in years to come, ripping out the electrics/electronics and fitting a 300tdi. Jlr's market is what new car buyers want to buy.

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I find it difficult to call jlr, Britain's biggest car builder, cr*p. The company has moved with the times. No longer do peeps have a new car wishlist of built like a wheel barrow, corners like a wheel barrow, top speed of a wheel barrow and as comfortable as one. Times change. Most of us have fitted central heating in our houses since the first tratters were built. While some on ere still can't eggscept the introduction of coil springs, others will be planning to buy one of these new tratters in years to come, ripping out the electrics/electronics and fitting a 300tdi. Jlr's market is what new car buyers want to buy.

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Yes, this is true. Us DIY mechanics are a dying breed unfortunately. Repair garages of the future will look like NASA control centres. Modern man will not want to get their petal soft hands dirty unless they are being paid well for it.

Col

I want JLR to succeed and I want them to sell a lot of new Defenders, but their vehicle line up is now very heavy with up-market complex SUVs and has no basic simple off road utility vehicles any more. My criticism of the new Defender is more about the gap now left in the product range, I think Clarkson has got this right, the new Defender is amazing, but if you want a posh 4x4 get the Range Rover.
Lock down has left me watching a lot of foreign TV dramas (Walter presents) and its really noticeable that every (I mean EVERY) police service - Spanish, Polish, German, Dutch, French (so far) turn up in an old style Defender. Will they buy the new one? This is great "soft" selling for JLR but 70k is a lot for a Police vehicle.