My new Green friends!

Local elections yesterday - nice day, sunny, sat in garden
contemplating getting the angle grinder to the gas bottle, decided not
to spoil the peace...

Door bell goes - I look over the gate - Green Party canvaser. Have a
fairly good chat - he'd read the stuff on the 'About Grumble' stuck in
the window and was interested in why I'd converted it to LPG (bit of a
no-brainer really). He seemed to forget he was s'posed to be
canvasing and we were have a fairly good chat about all sorts.

While we were talking the Lib Dems came down. One, a middle aged
woman commented to her equally middle aged colleage about the 'gas
guzzling jeeps'.

Green Party bloke corrected her, "They're Land Rovers" he retorted,
"and they run of environmentally friendlier gas"! It was a strange
moment, terminated only by another LibDem rushing up and hurrying them
away - same chap who I made clear the street last year after I saw
them drop a couple of their leaflets and not pick them up - I was
interested to see they were still using their 'kin huge 'people
carrier'.

Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
few here.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Local elections yesterday - nice day, sunny, sat in garden
> contemplating getting the angle grinder to the gas bottle, decided not
> to spoil the peace...
Cut....
> Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
> expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
> trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
> really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
> were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
> was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
> few here.
>



How refreshing to hear of a green with some commonsense.


Simon Mills

98 Disco Tdi Auto

Mother" <"@ {mother} @ came up with the following;:

> Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
> expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
> trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
> really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
> were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
> was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
> few here.

LOL, the school Im caretaker at was used as a polling station. I had to go
out for a while and when I came back (300 Tdi 3 door Disco) there were a
number of Tory council supporters in the car-park. As soon as I got out I
was harried by them .. "Why do I drive such a large vehicle, why am I coming
to school in a 4x4" etc etc.

They became quieter when I emptied the back of logs and a chan-saw and told
them I f***ing live here .... and asked why they had come in a bus?

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

On Fri, 05 May 2006 10:18:08 GMT, "simon mills"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>How refreshing to hear of a green with some commonsense.

Just seen the results - the Green candidate was elected!


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

Mother wrote:
> On Fri, 05 May 2006 10:18:08 GMT, "simon mills"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >How refreshing to hear of a green with some commonsense.
>
> Just seen the results - the Green candidate was elected!
>
>
> --
> "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
> of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
> increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
> In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

I don't know whether i'm getting more attuned to these things as I get
older but I was a bit miffed to hear of the local friends of the earth
group advertising on the radio for new members.

The thing that made me laugh was that they met and opened their office
10-12 3 times a week. I think that gives you a fair idea of the kind of
people that run and visit them don't you?

I've had an idea though, I've got some leave coming to me so I am going
to join the "Pembrokeshire Friends of the Earth" without letting them
see the Range Rover, wear a hemp cardigan and some sandals and see what
they have to say for themselves.

I'm going deep undercover

On 5 May 2006 04:49:29 -0700, "Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote:

>hemp cardigan

Now you're talking

They will do anything to get elected!!!

Remember Greenpeace raiding the Land Rover factory?

And FOE want to cover what little countryside we have left with massive
windfarms!!!


"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Local elections yesterday - nice day, sunny, sat in garden
> contemplating getting the angle grinder to the gas bottle, decided not
> to spoil the peace...
>
> Door bell goes - I look over the gate - Green Party canvaser. Have a
> fairly good chat - he'd read the stuff on the 'About Grumble' stuck in
> the window and was interested in why I'd converted it to LPG (bit of a
> no-brainer really). He seemed to forget he was s'posed to be
> canvasing and we were have a fairly good chat about all sorts.
>
> While we were talking the Lib Dems came down. One, a middle aged
> woman commented to her equally middle aged colleage about the 'gas
> guzzling jeeps'.
>
> Green Party bloke corrected her, "They're Land Rovers" he retorted,
> "and they run of environmentally friendlier gas"! It was a strange
> moment, terminated only by another LibDem rushing up and hurrying them
> away - same chap who I made clear the street last year after I saw
> them drop a couple of their leaflets and not pick them up - I was
> interested to see they were still using their 'kin huge 'people
> carrier'.
>
> Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
> expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
> trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
> really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
> were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
> was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
> few here.
>
>
> --
> "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
> of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
> increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
> In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

Dave R wrote:
> Mother wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 May 2006 10:18:08 GMT, "simon mills"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How refreshing to hear of a green with some commonsense.
>>
>>Just seen the results - the Green candidate was elected!
>>
>>
>>--
>>"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
>>of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
>>increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
>>In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
>
>
> I don't know whether i'm getting more attuned to these things as I get
> older but I was a bit miffed to hear of the local friends of the earth
> group advertising on the radio for new members.
>
> The thing that made me laugh was that they met and opened their office
> 10-12 3 times a week. I think that gives you a fair idea of the kind of
> people that run and visit them don't you?
>
> I've had an idea though, I've got some leave coming to me so I am going
> to join the "Pembrokeshire Friends of the Earth" without letting them
> see the Range Rover, wear a hemp cardigan and some sandals and see what
> they have to say for themselves.
>
> I'm going deep undercover
>
D'you live in Sir Penfro then? Whereabouts?

Stuart

On or around Fri, 05 May 2006 10:54:14 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
>expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
>trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
>really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
>were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
>was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
>few here.

Blimey.

I'd vote for him.


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

On or around Fri, 05 May 2006 11:44:44 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 05 May 2006 10:18:08 GMT, "simon mills"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>How refreshing to hear of a green with some commonsense.
>
>Just seen the results - the Green candidate was elected!

Result!
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

Hwest area. The FOE (apt acronym don't you think?) are in Narbeth. You
fancy a visit too?!

Dave

Dave R wrote:
> Hwest area. The FOE (apt acronym don't you think?) are in Narbeth. You
> fancy a visit too?!
>
> Dave
>
No, I live in France now, but my mother's family are from Pentlepoir
(over Sardis mountain (!) from Saundersfoot) and I spent many happy
summers camping on the family field.

Stuart

In article <[email protected]>, Mother <"@
{mother} @"@101fc.net> writes
>On 5 May 2006 04:49:29 -0700, "Dave R" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>hemp cardigan
>
>Now you're talking
>
Now I know!

When I see an OAP with burn holes in his cardy, they aren't from pipe
dottle - he was smoking it directly!

Regards,

Simonm.

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SIMON MUIR, BRISTOL UK www.ukip.org
EUROPEANS AGAINST THE EU www.members.aol.com/eurofaq
GT250A'76 R80/RT'86 110CSW TD'88 www.kc3ltd.co.uk/profile/eurofollie/

Bizarre, my folks live in Sardis, or near as damn it. I still have
happy summers here. Lovely on days like today, no better place to be.
God awful weather for 9 months of the year. Greenlaning is abit crap
too, as Pembrokeshire is a peninsular if you greenlane for too long
you fall in to the sea!

Dave

Paul - xxx <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> LOL, the school Im caretaker at was used as a polling station. I had
> to go out for a while and when I came back (300 Tdi 3 door Disco)
> there were a number of Tory council supporters in the car-park. As
> soon as I got out I was harried by them .. "Why do I drive such a
> large vehicle, why am I coming to school in a 4x4" etc etc.
>
> They became quieter when I emptied the back of logs and a chan-saw
> and told them I f***ing live here .... and asked why they had come in
> a bus?

Classic!


Lee

In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Local elections yesterday - nice day, sunny, sat in garden
> contemplating getting the angle grinder to the gas bottle, decided not
> to spoil the peace...
>
> Door bell goes - I look over the gate - Green Party canvaser. Have a
> fairly good chat - he'd read the stuff on the 'About Grumble' stuck in
> the window and was interested in why I'd converted it to LPG (bit of a
> no-brainer really). He seemed to forget he was s'posed to be
> canvasing and we were have a fairly good chat about all sorts.
>
> While we were talking the Lib Dems came down. One, a middle aged
> woman commented to her equally middle aged colleage about the 'gas
> guzzling jeeps'.
>
> Green Party bloke corrected her, "They're Land Rovers" he retorted,
> "and they run of environmentally friendlier gas"! It was a strange
> moment, terminated only by another LibDem rushing up and hurrying them
> away - same chap who I made clear the street last year after I saw
> them drop a couple of their leaflets and not pick them up - I was
> interested to see they were still using their 'kin huge 'people
> carrier'.
>
> Green Party bloke carries on chatting, saying that although they don't
> expect to get elected, they still think it's worth having a go and
> trying to raise the profile of green issues. One thing he said which
> really took me by surprise was that they thought the anti 4x4 movement
> were causing more harm than good. He reckoned that building bridges
> was more important than pointing fingers. Well, he certainly built a
> few here.
>
>

I've always found that campaigners who *really* care about any
subject are usually very reasonabe - it's the bandwaggon anti's
that upset everyone.

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

Dave R wrote:

|| I've had an idea though, I've got some leave coming to me so I am
|| going to join the "Pembrokeshire Friends of the Earth" without
|| letting them see the Range Rover, wear a hemp cardigan and some
|| sandals and see what they have to say for themselves.
||
|| I'm going deep undercover

Let me know when and where. This I _gotta_ see.

(Martyn, got any spare web space where I can post the results?)

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

In article <787658224e%[email protected]>, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> writes
>I've always found that campaigners who *really* care about any
>subject are usually very reasonabe - it's the bandwaggon anti's
>that upset everyone.

Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
Ffestiniog?

It came up in conversation the other day, with our solar heating
installer about wind generation: all very well managing megawatts during
winter gales, but what about flat calms - where do you store the energy
for a non-stormy day?

Regards,

Simonm.

--
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SIMON MUIR, BRISTOL UK www.ukip.org
EUROPEANS AGAINST THE EU www.members.aol.com/eurofaq
GT250A'76 R80/RT'86 110CSW TD'88 www.kc3ltd.co.uk/profile/eurofollie/

"SpamTrapSeeSig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <787658224e%[email protected]>, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> writes
>>I've always found that campaigners who *really* care about any
>>subject are usually very reasonabe - it's the bandwaggon anti's
>>that upset everyone.
>
> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I promise
> not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped storage
> installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and Ffestiniog?
>
> It came up in conversation the other day, with our solar heating installer
> about wind generation: all very well managing megawatts during winter
> gales, but what about flat calms - where do you store the energy for a
> non-stormy day?
>
> Regards,
>
> Simonm.
>
> --
> simonm|at|muircom|dot|demon|.|c|oh|dot|u|kay
> SIMON MUIR, BRISTOL UK www.ukip.org
> EUROPEANS AGAINST THE EU www.members.aol.com/eurofaq
> GT250A'76 R80/RT'86 110CSW TD'88 www.kc3ltd.co.uk/profile/eurofollie/

Having been involved with the wind energy industry I originally held the
same view that you have proposed. However there has been considerable
research into the wind profiles across the UK and this is part of the reason
for the sites becoming more difficult to choose. If looked at
simplistically then we'd just throw thousands of turbines up on Scottish
hills, however the profile this generates is very lop-sided. We actually
need a specific distribution of turbines across the entire UK to provide
anything approaching a reasonable energy generation alternative.

Thankfully the averaged wind energy actually matches the energy usage quite
well. On a day to day basis we use more energy first thing in the morning
and in the evening. This can be provided by coastline turbines which
harness the onshore/offshore winds that occur at these times. On a seasonal
basis we use more in the colder months where the wind speeds are higher and
therefore the inshore windfarms will be able to provide the energy. So in
theory with careful management it can all work.

Having said all of this I still don't believe that wind energy is a viable
alternative to our exisiting energy supplies. It is however a good way of
providing some of the additional requirements. A lot has been made of the
required renewable energy quotas by a certain date but these are all based
on our current energy requirements. If the rate of increase of energy usage
continues then the additional renewable energy sources that are being
installed do not have a hope of meeting the energy shortfall.

There seem to be lots of options put forwards for how to increase our output
to meet this shortfall but I cannot see how any of them can actually be
implemented in time.What we must do is ensure that our energy usage does not
increase and preferably reduce the usage. I plan by 2010 to have
implemented a partial renewable energy supply solution consisting of
Photo-Voltaic (PV) cells on the roof, a wind turbine on the chimney stack
and a thermal store buried under the garden. Additionally I aspire to
reducing the U Value of the house (thermal loss value) to less than 0.1
which I believe is half of that currently required under the Building
Regulations.

Yes it's going to cost me some fairly serious money but unless everyone
takes some of these ideas on board I am fairly certain we will have a severe
shortfall of energy supply not very far into the next decade.

Regards

Phil Gardiner

P.S I'm not a member of the environmental militia, I'll still be driving a
(hopefully still) tax exempt series Land Rover.

SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
> In article <787658224e%[email protected]>, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> writes
>
>> I've always found that campaigners who *really* care about any
>> subject are usually very reasonabe - it's the bandwaggon anti's
>> that upset everyone.
>
>
> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
> Ffestiniog?
>
> It came up in conversation the other day, with our solar heating
> installer about wind generation: all very well managing megawatts during
> winter gales, but what about flat calms - where do you store the energy
> for a non-stormy day?
>
> Regards,
>
> Simonm.
>
You could do worse than take a look at the Centre for Alternative
Technology at Machynlleth when/if you are in North Wales. There they
have banks of batteries with some fairly simple switching to ensure a
good charge. If it were me designing a power circuit, I'd run 12V
everywhere for lighting and consumer durables (laptop, portable TV and
DVD - anything which runs off a cigar lighter) and then have 240V
sockets for the heavy stuuf like irons, washing machines etc. I'd then
have a battery shed containing half a dozen car batteries in parallel
(plenty of amps, reduced internal resistance) and charge them from a
wind turbine, P-V cells and a car alternator with a water wheel (if I
had a stream on site, that is). I wouldn't be making any high voltage
stuff for the grid, but at least I'd cut down the amount of 'leccy I
used. And no electric heating!

Stuart