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On or around Fri, 5 May 2006 18:28:24 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Dave R wrote:
>
>|| I've had an idea though, I've got some leave coming to me so I am
>|| going to join the "Pembrokeshire Friends of the Earth" without
>|| letting them see the Range Rover, wear a hemp cardigan and some
>|| sandals and see what they have to say for themselves.
>||
>|| I'm going deep undercover
>
>Let me know when and where. This I _gotta_ see.
>
>(Martyn, got any spare web space where I can post the results?)

quite an enclave down there in Pembs...
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from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:

> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
> Ffestiniog?

In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.

When I worked in Connecticut when I was a student,there was a power
station there with pumped storage characteristics, built in the 1920's I
think in town called New Milford, using a lakes called Candlewood.

There aren't many because of the problems of needing two bloody big lakes.

Steve

 
Steve Taylor wrote:
> SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>
>> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
>> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
>> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
>> Ffestiniog?
>
>
> In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
> powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
> powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
> fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
> generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
> generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.
>
> When I worked in Connecticut when I was a student,there was a power
> station there with pumped storage characteristics, built in the 1920's I
> think in town called New Milford, using a lakes called Candlewood.
>
> There aren't many because of the problems of needing two bloody big lakes.
>
> Steve

Scotland: Ben Cruachan 400MW
Foyers 300MW
 
Srtgray wrote:

> You could do worse than take a look at the Centre for Alternative
> Technology at Machynlleth when/if you are in North Wales. There they
> have banks of batteries with some fairly simple switching to ensure a
> good charge. If it were me designing a power circuit, I'd run 12V
> everywhere for lighting and consumer durables (laptop, portable TV and
> DVD - anything which runs off a cigar lighter) and then have 240V
> sockets for the heavy stuuf like irons, washing machines etc. I'd then
> have a battery shed containing half a dozen car batteries in parallel
> (plenty of amps, reduced internal resistance) and charge them from a
> wind turbine, P-V cells and a car alternator with a water wheel (if I
> had a stream on site, that is).

It's far more efficient in terms of generating, storing and distributing
the DC electricity to use a voltage significantly above 12V. The
average DC-DC converter to reduce that voltage to something useable (12
or 24V) is rather more efficient that the voltage drop running 12V over
any distance unless you use stupidly large cables.

--
EMB
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Fri, 5 May 2006 18:28:24 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Dave R wrote:
|||
||||| I've had an idea though, I've got some leave coming to me so I am
||||| going to join the "Pembrokeshire Friends of the Earth" without
||||| letting them see the Range Rover, wear a hemp cardigan and some
||||| sandals and see what they have to say for themselves.
|||||
||||| I'm going deep undercover
|||
||| Let me know when and where. This I _gotta_ see.
|||
||| (Martyn, got any spare web space where I can post the results?)
||
|| quite an enclave down there in Pembs...

Dave, myself and Marko (I think) lives here when he's not at Uni. Other
than three such as we, you're the nearest, I think. Not much of an
enclave...

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:58:47 +0100, Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> said:

>> SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:

>>> other than Dinorwig and Ffestiniog?

For more on Dinorwic/Dinorwig, see this posting:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.subterranea/msg/dd48c794775000bf

> Scotland: Ben Cruachan 400MW Foyers 300MW

Oddly enough, whilst reading a New Scientist article _Is it all over
for nuclear power_[1] this morning whilst sitting on the loo, I was
wondering why someone doesn't do something with the Blackwater
reservoir[2] and pipes left over from the aluminium smelter at
Kinlochleven[3]. Transmission losses in power lines presumably have
something to do with it.

[1] http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/mg19025481.400.html

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Reservoir
http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=@0,0&t=h&ll=56.70215,-4.864368&spn=0.059654,0.167885&om=1

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinlochleven
http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=@0,0&ll=56.702244,-4.88205&spn=0.238616,0.671539&t=h

Ob-Landrover
It's amazing how many people and dogs you can cram into the back of a 109
when you are staying in Kinlochleven and need a pint of decent beer, the
nearest to be found being at the Clachaig Inn[4] in the next valley.

[4] http://www.clachaig.com/

--
Alan J. Wylie http://www.wylie.me.uk/
"Perfection [in design] is achieved not when there is nothing left to add,
but rather when there is nothing left to take away."
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
On Sat, 06 May 2006 11:00:26 +0100, [email protected] (Alan J. Wylie)
wrote:
I was
>wondering why someone doesn't do something with the Blackwater
>reservoir[2] and pipes left over from the aluminium smelter at
>Kinlochleven[3].

I haven't looked at your links. The penstock, leat and reservoir still
provide power but the DC generators used for smelting have been
replaced with AC ones feeding the grid.

Despite some public statements refuting this it still looks like the
attraction of renewable energy certificates made the electricity from
this worth more to sell than use to make aluminium.

AJH
 
Are you going to come too then? I reckon your superior grasp of the
English language could be of use.

I have a suspicion the they are all middle aged well to do housewifes.
And probably a couple of token male members who are pretending to be
interested in green issues just to get in the pants of middle aged well
to do housewifes.




Damn - rumbled

Dave

 
Dave R wrote:

|| Are you going to come too then? I reckon your superior grasp of the
|| English language could be of use.

We'd have to disguise it well. The best approach would be a few fake
tattoos and curse a lot, but appear baffled but interested. Then they would
be so delighted to have a genuine member of the "working clarss" that they
would welcome you with open arms. I say, Tarquin, even this chappie off the
council estate is interested in green issues. We must organise some
wholemeal Special Brew and some herbal Woodbines.

|| I have a suspicion the they are all middle aged well to do
|| housewifes.

From the opening hours you mentioned, that would be my suspicion. Or
benefit-scrounging layabouts who are free between 10 and 12 because they
don't do a job of work, relying on you and me instead.

|| And probably a couple of token male members who are
|| pretending to be interested in green issues just to get in the pants
|| of middle aged well to do housewifes.

LOL. If they are nice women just dabbling in FOE because they are bored,
maybe. If they are truly "green", though, they will not believe in washing
(waste of water), cutting toe and fingernails (long nails look ethnic),
cleaning teeth (the chemicals in toothpaste my dear!) or wiping their
bottoms (wasting paper that could be recycled).

I could live without that. I saw some coming out of Morrison's the other
day and I know.

|| Damn - rumbled

Anything's worth a shot.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
In message <[email protected]>, Srtgray
<[email protected]> writes
>You could do worse than take a look at the Centre for Alternative
>Technology at Machynlleth when/if you are in North Wales. There they
>have banks of batteries with some fairly simple switching to ensure a
>good charge.
<big snip>
You could ... and while you're there look at the two (or three?)
sizeable fuel oil tanks they have 'hidden' on site to drive their
generators and heating. I don't recall them mentioning that in their
'how sustainable we are' blurb ...

I lost faith in wind turbines as an environmentally economic alternative
when those on Scratby Sands off Yarmouth were turned on. Lots of
wildlife was disturbed putting them in, enormous quantities of power and
natural resources were used building them and they were generating (wait
for it!) 4KW each! ... not even enough to recoup their own 'green cost'
during their lifetimes let alone produce sustainable green fuel!

--
AndyG
 
On or around Sat, 06 May 2006 09:48:55 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>
>> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
>> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
>> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
>> Ffestiniog?
>
>In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
>powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
>powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
>fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
>generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
>generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.
>

yeah, impressive bit of kit. apparently, in this crazy world we have now,
the ability to be on-stream quickly means you get a much better price for
the power.

I still reckon that a tour of Dinorwig woiuld be good at an Anglesea
unofficial.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8
 
On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:13:48 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On or around Sat, 06 May 2006 09:48:55 +0100, Steve Taylor
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>>
>>> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
>>> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
>>> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
>>> Ffestiniog?
>>
>>In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
>>powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
>>powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
>>fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
>>generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
>>generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.
>>
>
>yeah, impressive bit of kit. apparently, in this crazy world we have now,
>the ability to be on-stream quickly means you get a much better price for
>the power.
>
>I still reckon that a tour of Dinorwig woiuld be good at an Anglesea
>unofficial.

I would love to see that place in the flesh. Saw it on TV a few
times...
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)
 
Simon Isaacs wrote:
> On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:13:48 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>> On or around Sat, 06 May 2006 09:48:55 +0100, Steve Taylor
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>>>
>>>> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
>>>> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
>>>> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
>>>> Ffestiniog?
>>>
>>> In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
>>> powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
>>> powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
>>> fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
>>> generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
>>> generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.
>>>
>>
>> yeah, impressive bit of kit. apparently, in this crazy world we have now,
>> the ability to be on-stream quickly means you get a much better price for
>> the power.
>>
>> I still reckon that a tour of Dinorwig woiuld be good at an Anglesea
>> unofficial.
>
> I would love to see that place in the flesh. Saw it on TV a few
> times...

Is that the one they had on Blue Peter in the 70/80s ??

Looks impressive

Nige


--

Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)
110 Hi Cap (Ben)

'"Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one"


 
On Sun, 7 May 2006 14:30:34 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>Simon Isaacs wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:13:48 +0100, Austin Shackles
>> <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>>> On or around Sat, 06 May 2006 09:48:55 +0100, Steve Taylor
>>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>> SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Veering wildly off-topic, but this is a knowledgeable group, and I
>>>>> promise not to dig into any debate: does anyone know of any pumped
>>>>> storage installations connected to the grid, other than Dinorwig and
>>>>> Ffestiniog?
>>>>
>>>> In the UK I can't think of any others, Dinorwig is one of the most
>>>> powerful systems in the world, and I think the only one designed to be
>>>> powerful enough to reboot the entire national grid. It is also the
>>>> fastest switchover of any plant, and can go from standby to full
>>>> generation 1.8 GIGAwatts - in 12 seconds, and from full pumping to full
>>>> generation in 90 seconds. It can sustain full output for 5 hours AFAIR.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeah, impressive bit of kit. apparently, in this crazy world we have now,
>>> the ability to be on-stream quickly means you get a much better price for
>>> the power.
>>>
>>> I still reckon that a tour of Dinorwig woiuld be good at an Anglesea
>>> unofficial.
>>
>> I would love to see that place in the flesh. Saw it on TV a few
>> times...
>
>Is that the one they had on Blue Peter in the 70/80s ??
>
>Looks impressive
>
>Nige
>

yeah, plus fred visited it as well.
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)
 
In article <[email protected]>, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:13:48 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>I still reckon that a tour of Dinorwig woiuld be good at an Anglesea
>>unofficial.
>
>I would love to see that place in the flesh. Saw it on TV a few
>times...

It has clouds in the top of the generator hall...

Regards,

Simonm.

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Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
> yeah, plus fred visited it as well.

:-(

No 'ickle people allowed due to having to wear hard hats... Thats us out of
that particular tour then

:-(

Lee


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Reaching the parts other Landrover restorers can't reach - JLo makes new
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Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".


 
On or around Sun, 7 May 2006 23:36:42 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>>
>> yeah, plus fred visited it as well.
>
>:-(
>
> No 'ickle people allowed due to having to wear hard hats... Thats us out of
>that particular tour then

haven't they got small hard hats?

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------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> haven't they got small hard hats?
>
My two have.

Steve
 
Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> haven't they got small hard hats?
>>
> My two have.
>
> Steve

It was this bit...
"First Hydro safety procedures require that all visitors wear Safety Helmets
on the underground tour. These helmets are not suitable for use by babies
and very young children." Just needs clarification as to very young, is it
up to around 2, 5, 7, or 10. I know where they are comming from and don't
think they would be allowed in with Bob the builder hats. I know that laddo
would love to see the place... and me too.
Lee
--
www.lrproject.com
Reaching the parts other Landrover restorers can't reach - JLo makes new
home in the USA.
Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".


 
On or around Mon, 8 May 2006 13:04:07 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> haven't they got small hard hats?
>>>
>> My two have.
>>
>> Steve
>
>It was this bit...
>"First Hydro safety procedures require that all visitors wear Safety Helmets
>on the underground tour. These helmets are not suitable for use by babies
>and very young children." Just needs clarification as to very young, is it
>up to around 2, 5, 7, or 10. I know where they are comming from and don't
>think they would be allowed in with Bob the builder hats. I know that laddo
>would love to see the place... and me too.

I'll ask when the woman in the office gets back to work, if you want - I
want to know what "minimum numbers" means...
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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
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