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icky

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• Apr 3, 2006

• #1

Hi all

My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self levelling
device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly would
it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs for a
110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self leveller
with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have been told by an
independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle grinder" just leaving
ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?

Thanks in advance

Icky

 

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JD

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #2

icky wrote:

> Hi all
>
> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self levelling
> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly would
> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs for
> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have been
> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle grinder"
> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Icky

The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller probably
can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on the
unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self leveller.
This is what I have done.
JD

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #3

On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:47 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
>it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
>is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller probably
>can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
>thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on the
>unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self leveller.

....unless it jams in the "up" position...

I've not had one, but apparently it can and it makes for "interesting"
handling.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Vince

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #4

Whilst on the subject what do you think of the airbag spring helpers? I was
thinking of removing the self leveler - fitting the original soft springs
and using the airbags when towing or carrying a load - 110 CSW V8


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:47 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level.
If
> >it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The
likeliehood
> >is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
probably
> >can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
> >thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
the
> >unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
leveller.
>
> ...unless it jams in the "up" position...
>
> I've not had one, but apparently it can and it makes for "interesting"
> handling.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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icky

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• Apr 3, 2006

• #5

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> icky wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self levelling
>> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly
>> would
>> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
>> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs
>> for
>> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
>> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have been
>> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle grinder"
>> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Icky
>
> The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
> it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
> is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
> probably
> can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
> thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
> the
> unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
> leveller.
> This is what I have done.
> JD

Hi JD

Whats the ride quality like with the new springs compared with softer
levelled ones?
Even with a saggy bum the ride quality on mine is very good and I don't
really want it to be too harsh.

Cheers
Icky

 

B

beamendsltd

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #6

In message <[email protected]>
"icky" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > icky wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self levelling
> >> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly
> >> would
> >> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
> >> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs
> >> for
> >> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
> >> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have been
> >> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle grinder"
> >> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >> Icky
> >
> > The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
> > it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
> > is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
> > probably
> > can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
> > thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
> > the
> > unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
> > leveller.
> > This is what I have done.
> > JD
>
> Hi JD
>
> Whats the ride quality like with the new springs compared with softer
> levelled ones?
> Even with a saggy bum the ride quality on mine is very good and I don't
> really want it to be too harsh.
>
> Cheers
> Icky
>
>

Perhaps a pair of the dual rate ones from Td5 110's may be the answer?

Richard
--
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J

JD

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #7

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:47 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
>>it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
>>is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
>>probably can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the
>>simplest thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones
>>used on the unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the
>>self leveller.
>
> ...unless it jams in the "up" position...
>
> I've not had one, but apparently it can and it makes for "interesting"
> handling.

Hasn't in eight years including a lot of offroad.
JD

 

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JD

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #8

icky wrote:

>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> icky wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self levelling
>>> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly
>>> would
>>> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
>>> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs
>>> for
>>> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
>>> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have been
>>> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle grinder"
>>> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Icky
>>
>> The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level.
>> If it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The
>> likeliehood is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self
>> leveller probably
>> can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
>> thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
>> the
>> unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
>> leveller.
>> This is what I have done.
>> JD
>
> Hi JD
>
> Whats the ride quality like with the new springs compared with softer
> levelled ones?
> Even with a saggy bum the ride quality on mine is very good and I don't
> really want it to be too harsh.
>
> Cheers
> Icky

Very noticeably rougher. But I need the load carrying ability (often carry
6-7 people plus luggage). I have been considering getting the leveller
replaced/repaired and getting a new set of the original spec springs.
Trouble is doing anything with the leveller is expensive. Springs are
fairly cheap.
JD

 

J

JD

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #9

Vince wrote:

> Whilst on the subject what do you think of the airbag spring helpers? I
> was thinking of removing the self leveler - fitting the original soft
> springs and using the airbags when towing or carrying a load - 110 CSW V8
>
>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:47 +1000, JD
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >
>> >The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level.
> If
>> >it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The
> likeliehood
>> >is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
> probably
>> >can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
>> >thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
> the
>> >unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
> leveller.
>>
>> ...unless it jams in the "up" position...
>>
>> I've not had one, but apparently it can and it makes for "interesting"
>> handling.
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Should work. But quotes I have had make overhauling the leveller look cheap.
JD

 

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icky

Guest

• Apr 3, 2006

• #10

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9a3add114e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> "icky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > icky wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self
>> >> levelling
>> >> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly
>> >> would
>> >> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level ride
>> >> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear springs
>> >> for
>> >> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
>> >> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have
>> >> been
>> >> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle
>> >> grinder"
>> >> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance
>> >>
>> >> Icky
>> >
>> > The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level.
>> > If
>> > it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The
>> > likeliehood
>> > is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
>> > probably
>> > can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the simplest
>> > thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used on
>> > the
>> > unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
>> > leveller.
>> > This is what I have done.
>> > JD
>>
>> Hi JD
>>
>> Whats the ride quality like with the new springs compared with softer
>> levelled ones?
>> Even with a saggy bum the ride quality on mine is very good and I don't
>> really want it to be too harsh.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Icky
>>
>>
>
> Perhaps a pair of the dual rate ones from Td5 110's may be the answer?
>
> Richard
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

Hi Richard

Would they fit ok? and would the ride hieght match the front? and the
inevitable how compared to tothers mentioned?

Cheers

Icky

 

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icky

Guest

• Apr 4, 2006

• #11

"icky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:9a3add114e%[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>
>> "icky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > icky wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi all
>>> >>
>>> >> My 1984 110 csw is a bit saggy at the rear it also has a self
>>> >> levelling
>>> >> device, the question is, if this self leveller was working correctly
>>> >> would
>>> >> it allow soft springs to sag at rear or would it maintain a level
>>> >> ride
>>> >> height and if it isn't working correctly could I just fit rear
>>> >> springs
>>> >> for
>>> >> a 110 without self leveller, or would i also need to replace the self
>>> >> leveller with a standard A frame ball joint assembly aswell. I have
>>> >> been
>>> >> told by an independant lr parts man to "hack it off with angle
>>> >> grinder"
>>> >> just leaving ball joint assembly in place. whats your views on this ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks in advance
>>> >>
>>> >> Icky
>>> >
>>> > The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep
>>> > level. If
>>> > it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The
>>> > likeliehood
>>> > is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
>>> > probably
>>> > can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the
>>> > simplest
>>> > thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones used
>>> > on
>>> > the
>>> > unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the self
>>> > leveller.
>>> > This is what I have done.
>>> > JD
>>>
>>> Hi JD
>>>
>>> Whats the ride quality like with the new springs compared with softer
>>> levelled ones?
>>> Even with a saggy bum the ride quality on mine is very good and I don't
>>> really want it to be too harsh.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Icky
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps a pair of the dual rate ones from Td5 110's may be the answer?
>>
>> Richard
>> --
>> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
>> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
>> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
>> Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay
>
> Hi Richard
>
> Would they fit ok? and would the ride hieght match the front? and the
> inevitable how compared to tothers mentioned?
>
> Cheers
>
> Icky
>sorry that should be how much compared to tothers

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Apr 4, 2006

• #12

On or around Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:31:02 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:47 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>The self leveller aids the weaker springs fitted with it to keep level. If
>>>it isn't working, the back will sag unless it is unloaded. The likeliehood
>>>is that the rear springs are sagged anyway - and the self leveller
>>>probably can't cope with that even if it is still working. However, the
>>>simplest thing to do is to simply replace the rear springs with the ones
>>>used on the unlevelled version. There is no need to do anything with the
>>>self leveller.
>>
>> ...unless it jams in the "up" position...
>>
>> I've not had one, but apparently it can and it makes for "interesting"
>> handling.
>
>Hasn't in eight years including a lot of offroad.

I assume that yours hasn't got itself jammed "up" I'm sure someone in the
group had one, though.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.