Malvern cock-up

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Dave Gibbs

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Did anybody else suffer from the same organisational slip-up as us?
Nobody at the main showground had told any of the off road coarse ticket
holders that they had to be scrutineered at the showground. Loads of
people trundled the 7 or 8 miles to Eastnor expecting the scrutineering
to be at the off road coarse itself, only to be told to turn around and
go back for scrutineering. Another 15 odd miles round trip to the start
again.

Fortunately for me, the first time I turned up at the off road course it
was bone dry. The second time it had hammered down, and the fine dust
on the surface had turned into very slippery goo. Perfect conditions
for us, but not for the road-tyre shod Discovery in front of us who was
getting stuck on every little rise. Very enjoyable watching them slide
about in the rain!

The recovery guys were excellent helping the stuck people out. I think
they were a bit bored until the rain started!

Regards,

Dave.
 
Dave Gibbs wrote:

|| Did anybody else suffer from the same organisational slip-up as us?
|| Nobody at the main showground had told any of the off road coarse
|| ticket holders that they had to be scrutineered at the showground.

<cough> It was there in black and white in the programme, and the announcer
guy must have mentioned it over the PA at least once every half-hour ...

--
Rich
==============================

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Richard Brookman wrote:
> Dave Gibbs wrote:
>
> || Did anybody else suffer from the same organisational slip-up as us?
> || Nobody at the main showground had told any of the off road coarse
> || ticket holders that they had to be scrutineered at the showground.
>
> <cough> It was there in black and white in the programme, and the announcer
> guy must have mentioned it over the PA at least once every half-hour ...


The PA's no good for those that arrived, picked up tickets then went
straight to the course, same for the programme. The course organisers
were very apologetic and were turning back loads of people. Still it
was only a minor thing and in the end improved the course with the rain.

Dave.
 

"Dave Gibbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard Brookman wrote:
>> Dave Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> || Did anybody else suffer from the same organisational slip-up as us?
>> || Nobody at the main showground had told any of the off road coarse
>> || ticket holders that they had to be scrutineered at the showground.
>>
>> <cough> It was there in black and white in the programme, and the
>> announcer guy must have mentioned it over the PA at least once every
>> half-hour ...

>
> The PA's no good for those that arrived, picked up tickets then went
> straight to the course, same for the programme. The course organisers
> were very apologetic and were turning back loads of people. Still it was
> only a minor thing and in the end improved the course with the rain.
>
> Dave.


I nearly missed it too as I didn't get a programme, it was bad planning and
I only found out by chance. I thought the off-road course was crap
personally, there was nothing to test your skills or abilities other than
the rain which as you say did make it slippy, glad I bought the AT's for my
Disco :) Quite why there was such strict scrutineering for a forest track
drive is beyond me. I drove around the Britpart course at last years show
and it was much better, no-one even looked at my motor for that one???



 
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:30:45 +0100, Andy <[email protected]>
wrote:

> ...
> why there was such strict scrutineering for a forest track
> drive is beyond me.


What were they looking at/for?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Dave Gibbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Richard Brookman wrote:
> >> Dave Gibbs wrote:
> >>
> >> || Did anybody else suffer from the same organisational slip-up as us?
> >> || Nobody at the main showground had told any of the off road coarse
> >> || ticket holders that they had to be scrutineered at the showground.
> >>
> >> <cough> It was there in black and white in the programme, and the
> >> announcer guy must have mentioned it over the PA at least once every
> >> half-hour ...

> >
> > The PA's no good for those that arrived, picked up tickets then went
> > straight to the course, same for the programme. The course organisers
> > were very apologetic and were turning back loads of people. Still it was
> > only a minor thing and in the end improved the course with the rain.
> >
> > Dave.

>
> I nearly missed it too as I didn't get a programme, it was bad planning and
> I only found out by chance. I thought the off-road course was crap
> personally, there was nothing to test your skills or abilities other than
> the rain which as you say did make it slippy, glad I bought the AT's for my
> Disco :) Quite why there was such strict scrutineering for a forest track
> drive is beyond me. I drove around the Britpart course at last years show
> and it was much better, no-one even looked at my motor for that one???
>
>


There's an unfortunate trend in the off-roading world towards the
need for "experts", often ordinary individuals who for commercial
or ego reasons feel the need to define themeselves as being the
"expert". Mosty they forget that the whole thing should be a bit
of fun, but at meetings or in artlicles in magazines they simply
have to make some easotric point that makes them appear clever,
which later turns up as a "rule". This inevitably ends up being
reflected in "the rules" for events, or as a requirement
for a commercial organisation, and is picked up by insurers when
it then effectively becomes "law". I once listened to the
discussion between a "Blue Book" Scuitineer and a competetor at
an ARC event. The competetor had a Comp. Safari motor that he
wished to enter in the CCV. Though it's roll cage massively
exceeded the current requirements, and had until 2 year perviously
year been ARC "legal", has was not allowed to compete, even
"under licence" which was a possibility. Now, rules is rules,
and whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case,
they have to be obeyed, at least within the sprit of the law,
if not the letter - but what got me was the Scruiteers ego!
Rather than help the competetor to compete, which surely is the
second function after safety, he was simply unloading his ego,
with endless, pointless and petty details to demostrate how
important he was. Needless to say, neither myself or the
now ex-competeter were even remotely impressed. I'm not having
a pop at Scruitineers in general (in fact the ARC log-book
scruitineers are stunningly helpful), but this bloke was
no engineer and yet was talking as though he was because
someone had given him authority, and he was frankly wrong
on a number of issues. [1]
At last, the point of this - many years ago a number of
people got themselves a hang-glider, and hurled themselves
of places such as Westbury White Horse. No doubt they had
terrific fun, and learned as they went along. Now however,
they are the "experts", you need a licence to even think about
having a go, and they are doing very nicely thank-you out of it.
Why should we, if we desire to launch ourselves into oblivion,
not have the same opportunity to have fun?
I can see the day comming when it will be necessary to have
a competetors licence to do an RTV, off-road sites will be
stunningly expensive due to insurance, clubs will not
be able to put on events since there will be more officials
than entrants (indeed, that's already the case unless one
person is prepared to wear many hats) and insurance will be
withdrawn for such Green Lanes as remain - all down to a few
"experts" who feel the need to pontificate publically rather
then give a few quiet words of advive to a novice.

Richard

[1] this was the point at which I decided having CCV motor was
going to be far more hassle than fun, since two Scruitineers
could not even agree on the rules, never mind me getting it
right. The competetor, faced with rebuilding his trialler,
gave up and ceased trying to compete.

--
 
"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Quite why there was such strict scrutineering for a forest track
> drive is beyond me.


I expect it was due to one word, insurance. The organisers of public events
are finding it very, very difficult to get insurance because of the
'no-win-no-fee' companies that are costing the underwriters a fortune, many
events such village Gala's and the traditional float parades have been
virtually wiped out because of it and those who manage to put an event on
have to jump through hoops of red tape to have any chance of getting insured
at a remotely affordable level.

Greg


 
beamendsltd wrote:

|| There's an unfortunate trend in the off-roading world towards the
|| need for "experts", often ordinary individuals who for commercial
|| or ego reasons feel the need to define themeselves as being the
|| "expert". Mosty they forget that the whole thing should be a bit
|| of fun, but at meetings or in artlicles in magazines they simply
|| have to make some easotric point that makes them appear clever,
|| which later turns up as a "rule". <snip>

Like Ed Cobley, touted throughout the show as the Greatest Off-Roader In The
World or some such, who managed to get his Ibex stuck at least twice (that I
saw) when trying to clamber over the car wrecks, and needed winching off.
Which of course was completely deliberate, so he could demonstrate a few
top-secret, only-the-pros-know-this winching tricks. Not. His advertised
winching exercise was a hoot. He got the Ibex pulled right over onto its
side by another vehicle's winch, while holding the Ibex on his own cable in
the other direction. Predictably, once the tyres got off the treads and
onto the sidewalls, the tyres slipped and the Ibex ended up on its side.
The egg they had between the rollcage and the ground (to show how delicate
it all was) didn't get a mention after that point! And when he tried to
winch himself back upright, all he did was pull the Ibex across the grass on
its side. Even I could see that one coming. Cue lots of rufty-tufty men
with ropes and cables to get him out of it (and stepping over cables under
load and forgetting sails on the cables, but I suppose they were in a
hurry). He seems a nice lad, and he does it with some style, but I agree
with Richard - all this stuff about gurus and experts is just to make some
people feel superior and get a bit of cash. There are some experts in our
4x4 club - guys who can take a standard Series 2 where a monster trick 90
has just failed. Those are the real experts to my mind.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:28:34 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>beamendsltd wrote:
>
>|| There's an unfortunate trend in the off-roading world towards the
>|| need for "experts", often ordinary individuals who for commercial
>|| or ego reasons feel the need to define themeselves as being the
>|| "expert". Mosty they forget that the whole thing should be a bit
>|| of fun, but at meetings or in artlicles in magazines they simply
>|| have to make some easotric point that makes them appear clever,
>|| which later turns up as a "rule". <snip>
>
>Like Ed Cobley, touted throughout the show as the Greatest Off-Roader In The
>World or some such, who managed to get his Ibex stuck at least twice (that I
>saw) when trying to clamber over the car wrecks, and needed winching off.
>Which of course was completely deliberate, so he could demonstrate a few
>top-secret, only-the-pros-know-this winching tricks. Not. His advertised
>winching exercise was a hoot. He got the Ibex pulled right over onto its
>side by another vehicle's winch, while holding the Ibex on his own cable in
>the other direction. Predictably, once the tyres got off the treads and
>onto the sidewalls, the tyres slipped and the Ibex ended up on its side.
>The egg they had between the rollcage and the ground (to show how delicate
>it all was) didn't get a mention after that point! And when he tried to
>winch himself back upright, all he did was pull the Ibex across the grass on
>its side. Even I could see that one coming. Cue lots of rufty-tufty men
>with ropes and cables to get him out of it (and stepping over cables under
>load and forgetting sails on the cables, but I suppose they were in a
>hurry). He seems a nice lad, and he does it with some style, but I agree
>with Richard - all this stuff about gurus and experts is just to make some
>people feel superior and get a bit of cash. There are some experts in our
>4x4 club - guys who can take a standard Series 2 where a monster trick 90
>has just failed. Those are the real experts to my mind.


you ought to see him on a winch challenge....... Ed "Rollover" Cobley
is his nickname....

......and don't even get me started on the damage his ProTrax laning
trips have done to the image of laning....... I thought I had heard
all of his tricks until one pleasant evening at Malvern.........
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
On or around Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:28:34 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>beamendsltd wrote:
>
>|| There's an unfortunate trend in the off-roading world towards the
>|| need for "experts", often ordinary individuals who for commercial
>|| or ego reasons feel the need to define themeselves as being the
>|| "expert". Mosty they forget that the whole thing should be a bit
>|| of fun, but at meetings or in artlicles in magazines they simply
>|| have to make some easotric point that makes them appear clever,
>|| which later turns up as a "rule". <snip>
>
>Like Ed Cobley, touted throughout the show


shhh, you'll get Simon started.

speaking of Malvern cockups, I imagine we all managed to forget the various
swap items we were supposed to be bringing? I know I did...

you still got those disco I side steps?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
William Tasso wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:30:45 +0100, Andy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> why there was such strict scrutineering for a forest track
>> drive is beyond me.

>
>
> What were they looking at/for?
>


The reason given was for insurance unsurprisingly.

For the intermediate course they were looking for things like slack
steering (a 2 second glance under the wheel while I waggled the
steering), hand brake working (tested on a flat field), battery fixed in
properly (actually had to take the seat and panel out to show them), no
loose items in the back, I forget what else. It did not appear to me
that the scrutineers were 'experts' of any sort, they just had a
clipboard and a set of checkboxes. I suspect they were just volunteers.

I enjoyed the course though, probably because of the Disco in front of
me with an inexperienced driver which made very entertaining watching.
It was classic, the man getting flustered in driving seat, dolled up
wife in passenger seat screaming, and a baby seat in the back with baby
and dummy installed. Family off roading :) He also managed to get it
stuck on a big tree stump with all 4 wheels off the road :)

Every time he went downhill, on would come the brakelights and then it
was uncontrolled sledging really until he hit something harder than his
Disco :) It certainly cheered us all up following him!

Dave.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| speaking of Malvern cockups, I imagine we all managed to forget the
|| various swap items we were supposed to be bringing? I know I did...
||
|| you still got those disco I side steps?

Well, twice I have offered them, and twice you haven't said you wanted them!
Yep, they're still here. You be on the Snowdon jolly?

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On or around Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:25:18 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>|| speaking of Malvern cockups, I imagine we all managed to forget the
>|| various swap items we were supposed to be bringing? I know I did...
>||
>|| you still got those disco I side steps?
>
>Well, twice I have offered them, and twice you haven't said you wanted them!
>Yep, they're still here. You be on the Snowdon jolly?


eh? I did... well, I think I did, anyway. I do, anyway, if they're still
up for grabs.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

||||| you still got those disco I side steps?
|||
||| Well, twice I have offered them, and twice you haven't said you
||| wanted them! Yep, they're still here. You be on the Snowdon jolly?
||
|| eh? I did... well, I think I did, anyway. I do, anyway, if they're
|| still up for grabs.

You said something like "hmm, might be interested" - which ain't positive
enough for me to donate valuable beer space in the truck to carry them! ;-)
I'll bring them to the October unofficial, if you're going.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On or around Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:12:56 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>||||| you still got those disco I side steps?
>|||
>||| Well, twice I have offered them, and twice you haven't said you
>||| wanted them! Yep, they're still here. You be on the Snowdon jolly?
>||
>|| eh? I did... well, I think I did, anyway. I do, anyway, if they're
>|| still up for grabs.
>
>You said something like "hmm, might be interested" - which ain't positive
>enough for me to donate valuable beer space in the truck to carry them! ;-)
>I'll bring them to the October unofficial, if you're going.


Hopefully, but finances aren't improved by a statement from the garage from
April, forsooth, for 280 quid for tyres and MOT and stuff on the car. Most
businesses would have pursued a debt that size a bit more assiduously... The
same garage has also not cleared a cheque from mother for 70 quid since
about 6 months ago. Now, of course, we've arrived at the month where I
don't get paid (flip side of 6-7 weeks off, although I reckon they should
pay us a retainer so we still do it next term...), so they'll have to wait.

I wish I could afford not to pursue outstanding invoices...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:12:56 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Austin Shackles wrote:
|||
|||||||| you still got those disco I side steps?
||||||
|||||| Well, twice I have offered them, and twice you haven't said you
|||||| wanted them! Yep, they're still here. You be on the Snowdon
|||||| jolly?
|||||
||||| eh? I did... well, I think I did, anyway. I do, anyway, if
||||| they're still up for grabs.
|||
||| You said something like "hmm, might be interested" - which ain't
||| positive enough for me to donate valuable beer space in the truck
||| to carry them! ;-) I'll bring them to the October unofficial, if
||| you're going.
||
|| Hopefully, but finances aren't improved by a statement from the
|| garage from April, forsooth, for 280 quid for tyres and MOT and
|| stuff on the car. Most businesses would have pursued a debt that
|| size a bit more assiduously... The same garage has also not cleared
|| a cheque from mother for 70 quid since about 6 months ago. Now, of
|| course, we've arrived at the month where I don't get paid (flip side
|| of 6-7 weeks off, although I reckon they should pay us a retainer so
|| we still do it next term...), so they'll have to wait.

They're not exactly expensive - they're sitting there doing nothing at the
moment. I'm sure a couple of those bottles of Old Peculier would suffice.
Do you want me to bring them, yes or no?

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
Dave Gibbs wrote:
>The course organisers were very apologetic and were
>turning back loads of people.

"Loads"?

Eight on Saturday.

Cheers

Blippie
 
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