LPG and V8 running fast on tickover.

Hi all.

Just bought a nice Discovery II V8 which has a quality LPG
conversion. The engine purrs along beautifully, but..

... the only thing is that the engine runs rather fast on tickover
(approx 800 rpm). And when I pull away, - if I don't keep the
engine revs very high, it dies and almost stalls.
This happens whether running on petrol or lpg.

Is it possible that this is a quirk of the tuning necessary for a
successful lpg conversion, - or should I have the engine tuned?
If so, would I need a (good) lpg specialist to tune it - or can a
LR dealer manage it - with a converted vehicle such as this?

TIA.

H.
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"Howie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi all.
>
> Just bought a nice Discovery II V8 which has a quality LPG
> conversion. The engine purrs along beautifully, but..
>
> .. the only thing is that the engine runs rather fast on tickover
> (approx 800 rpm). And when I pull away, - if I don't keep the
> engine revs very high, it dies and almost stalls.
> This happens whether running on petrol or lpg.

Shouldn't do it, mine doesn't.

> Is it possible that this is a quirk of the tuning necessary for a
> successful lpg conversion, - or should I have the engine tuned?

No, it's a quirk of a system not set up correctly! If left, it may cause the
Motronic engine management system to "lock" if it tries to trim fuelling
beyond it's trim limits for too long, I suggest you have it seen to as soon
as poss.

> If so, would I need a (good) lpg specialist to tune it - or can a
> LR dealer manage it - with a converted vehicle such as this?

From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an lpg
installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer to!
more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply close
the bonnet again.
What lpg system is it and where are you?
Badger.

Badger,
You have an air leak at the inlet manifold.
Regards,
Jerry


"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Howie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Just bought a nice Discovery II V8 which has a quality LPG
>> conversion. The engine purrs along beautifully, but..
>>
>> .. the only thing is that the engine runs rather fast on tickover
>> (approx 800 rpm). And when I pull away, - if I don't keep the
>> engine revs very high, it dies and almost stalls.
>> This happens whether running on petrol or lpg.
>
> Shouldn't do it, mine doesn't.
>
>> Is it possible that this is a quirk of the tuning necessary for a
>> successful lpg conversion, - or should I have the engine tuned?
>
> No, it's a quirk of a system not set up correctly! If left, it may cause
> the
> Motronic engine management system to "lock" if it tries to trim fuelling
> beyond it's trim limits for too long, I suggest you have it seen to as
> soon
> as poss.
>
>> If so, would I need a (good) lpg specialist to tune it - or can a
>> LR dealer manage it - with a converted vehicle such as this?
>
> From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an
> lpg
> installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer
> to!
> more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply close
> the bonnet again.
> What lpg system is it and where are you?
> Badger.
>
>

"Cobra1736" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Badger,
> You have an air leak at the inlet manifold.
> Regards,
> Jerry

No *I* don't, it's not my vehicle! ;-)
FWIW, the idle speed control on a disco II (Motronic EMS) ought to be able
to pull the idle back down if it were an air leak, although having said that
the gasket between the upper and lower halves of the inlet manifold is a
one-use only gasket that's fairly expensive and I've seen people re-use them
in the past, to their cost.
Badger.

Boys,
I don not care who's vehicle it is.
I tell you this is an air leak, reuse the gasket and try liquid sealant.
Jerry


"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Cobra1736" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Badger,
>> You have an air leak at the inlet manifold.
>> Regards,
>> Jerry
>
> No *I* don't, it's not my vehicle! ;-)
> FWIW, the idle speed control on a disco II (Motronic EMS) ought to be able
> to pull the idle back down if it were an air leak, although having said
> that
> the gasket between the upper and lower halves of the inlet manifold is a
> one-use only gasket that's fairly expensive and I've seen people re-use
> them
> in the past, to their cost.
> Badger.
>
>

"Cobra1736" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Boys,
> I don not care who's vehicle it is.
> I tell you this is an air leak, reuse the gasket and try liquid sealant.
> Jerry

Jerry, you said *I* had an air leak, I don't. You may well be correct with
your diagnosis of an air leak though.
As for re-using a corro-joint type gasket, you'll be telling me next it's ok
to re-use tin head gaskets on V8 engines, it's the same gasket type?! If the
gasket is re-used, even with sealant, it will leak in a high percentage of
cases. I know this, I've tried re-using one on my own vehicle after I got
caught out after hours without a spare one.
Whilst advice to help others is greatly appreciated by all, I for one do not
think that advice to re-use an item that's intended for single-use by
bodging with sealant is welcome. (And it is a bodge, the gasket seals by
deformation of the raised sealing rings, once compressed it has lost the
sealing ability)
Are you the same Jerry who used to frequent uk.rec.models.rail, by any
chance? Just that you appear to have a similar attitude in your posts.
Badger.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:24:24 -0000, "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>
|
|From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an lpg
|installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer to!
|more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply close
|the bonnet again.
|What lpg system is it and where are you?
|Badger.
|
Hi. Thanks for your help here. The system is a Landi system.
Fitted by ACC Autogas of Ledbury, Herefordshire.
www.acc-autogas.co.uk
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:51:16 +0100, "Cobra1736"
<[email protected]> wrote:

|Boys,
|I don not care who's vehicle it is.
|I tell you this is an air leak, reuse the gasket and try liquid sealant.
|Jerry

Hi. I really appreciate that. I hope the fact that I've done 2000
miles in it in the last two weeks hasn't damaged anything!

Having not worked on a V8 before, is this a fairly simple DIY
job? (I'm willing to have a go at most things, - and I'm not a
bodger).

I think I will go for the 'new gasket' option anyway.

TIA

H.

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"Howie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:24:24 -0000, "Badger"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> |
> |From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an
lpg
> |installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer
to!
> |more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply
close
> |the bonnet again.
> |What lpg system is it and where are you?
> |Badger.
> |
> Hi. Thanks for your help here. The system is a Landi system.
> Fitted by ACC Autogas of Ledbury, Herefordshire.
> www.acc-autogas.co.uk
>
Ok, that's not a system I'm familiar with, I tend to fit OMVL systems. To
check for inlet air leaks, first get the engine hot then work your way all
around the inlet manifold checking every hose joint carefully as you go,
tracing the hoses and checking both ends. You can squirt a little wd40 on
the joints and listen for a change in engine rpm, as the wd40 is sucked in
at a leak the engine will burn it and the revs will rise slightly. If you
need to replace the inlet manifold upper-to-lower gasket, remove the
throttle and cruise control cables, disconnect and plug the 2 water pipes at
the throttle body, use 2 m6 nuts locked together to unscrew the stud
securing the metal heater pipe to the drivers side of the inlet manifold,
catching the spacer washer that's between the pipe bracket and manifold.
Remove 2 8mm bolts securing upper edge of coil packs, undo the 2 8mm lower
coil pack bolts (awkward access) by about 2 turns to allow the coil packs
to ease rearwards enough to facilitate manifold removal. Now remove 2
central 10mm bolts at front and rear of the inlet manifold, remove 4 10mm
bolts on top of the manifold, ease manifold upwards at the front and rear,
ease front end towards passenger side slightly and lift forwards off engine.
When refitting, be careful not to snag the new gasket, try loosely fitting
the manifold back into place a couple of times until you get the feel for
it. The gasket is expensive for what it is, about £20-odd and only available
from landrover!
Re-fitting is, as they say in all the best comics, the reversal of removal!
Don't over torque the mounting bolts, they'll strip the threads in the lower
half of the manifold.
Badger.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:33:28 -0000, "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

|> Hi. Thanks for your help here. The system is a Landi system.
|> Fitted by ACC Autogas of Ledbury, Herefordshire.
|> www.acc-autogas.co.uk
|>
|Ok, that's not a system I'm familiar with, I tend to fit OMVL systems. To
|check for inlet air leaks, first get the engine hot then work your way all
|around the inlet manifold checking every hose joint carefully as you go,
|tracing the hoses and checking both ends. You can squirt a little wd40 on
|the joints and listen for a change in engine rpm, as the wd40 is sucked in
|at a leak the engine will burn it and the revs will rise slightly. If you
|need to replace the inlet manifold upper-to-lower gasket, remove the
|throttle and cruise control cables, disconnect and plug the 2 water pipes at
|the throttle body, use 2 m6 nuts locked together to unscrew the stud
|securing the metal heater pipe to the drivers side of the inlet manifold,
|catching the spacer washer that's between the pipe bracket and manifold.
|Remove 2 8mm bolts securing upper edge of coil packs, undo the 2 8mm lower
|coil pack bolts (awkward access) by about 2 turns to allow the coil packs
|to ease rearwards enough to facilitate manifold removal. Now remove 2
|central 10mm bolts at front and rear of the inlet manifold, remove 4 10mm
|bolts on top of the manifold, ease manifold upwards at the front and rear,
|ease front end towards passenger side slightly and lift forwards off engine.
|When refitting, be careful not to snag the new gasket, try loosely fitting
|the manifold back into place a couple of times until you get the feel for
|it. The gasket is expensive for what it is, about £20-odd and only available
|from landrover!
|Re-fitting is, as they say in all the best comics, the reversal of removal!
|Don't over torque the mounting bolts, they'll strip the threads in the lower
|half of the manifold.
|Badger.

Thanks very much for your time with this advice Brian. Much
appreciated. Prob won't be able to tackle it until next week, but
I'll report back here afterwards.

H.

Badger, this is a different Jerry.
I drove for 5 years a 4.0 liter Jeep Wrangler on LPG.
During that period I got a lot of experience with LPG systems and read
several books on the subject.
By trade I am a qualified mechanical engineer and I am in the process of
restoring a 90" Landover that's is why I follow the newsgroup.
Yes I agree that liquid sealant is not an impressive way of solving
problems. But lets us face the real problem the tolerances applied on the
machined parts are poor to say the least. A land or range rover cannot be
compared to for example a Toyota. Rovers leaks jeep, Toyota's, Nissan's,
Mercedes leak a lot less.

I already regret writing this and previous emails. Let's close the
discussion.
Again I apologize,
Jerry



"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Cobra1736" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Boys,
>> I don not care who's vehicle it is.
>> I tell you this is an air leak, reuse the gasket and try liquid sealant.
>> Jerry
>
> Jerry, you said *I* had an air leak, I don't. You may well be correct with
> your diagnosis of an air leak though.
> As for re-using a corro-joint type gasket, you'll be telling me next it's
> ok
> to re-use tin head gaskets on V8 engines, it's the same gasket type?! If
> the
> gasket is re-used, even with sealant, it will leak in a high percentage of
> cases. I know this, I've tried re-using one on my own vehicle after I got
> caught out after hours without a spare one.
> Whilst advice to help others is greatly appreciated by all, I for one do
> not
> think that advice to re-use an item that's intended for single-use by
> bodging with sealant is welcome. (And it is a bodge, the gasket seals by
> deformation of the raised sealing rings, once compressed it has lost the
> sealing ability)
> Are you the same Jerry who used to frequent uk.rec.models.rail, by any
> chance? Just that you appear to have a similar attitude in your posts.
> Badger.
>
>

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:14:45 +0000, Howie
<[email protected]> wrote:

|On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:24:24 -0000, "Badger"
|<[email protected]> wrote:
|
|<snip>
||
||From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an lpg
||installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer to!
||more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply close
||the bonnet again.
||What lpg system is it and where are you?
||Badger.
||
|Hi. Thanks for your help here. The system is a Landi system.
|Fitted by ACC Autogas of Ledbury, Herefordshire.
|www.acc-autogas.co.uk

Sorry. I meant to reply to tell you where I am based. I am in
Brixham, Devon. TQ5 area.

Anyone know whether there's a LANDI LPG specialist near here?

Ta.

H.

"Howie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:14:45 +0000, Howie
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> |On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:24:24 -0000, "Badger"
> |<[email protected]> wrote:
> |
> |<snip>
> ||
> ||From experience, land rover dealers will go to great lengths to blame an
lpg
> ||installation for any faults that they do not immediately know the answer
to!
> ||more likely they will open the bonnet, see the lpg system and simply
close
> ||the bonnet again.
> ||What lpg system is it and where are you?
> ||Badger.
> ||
> |Hi. Thanks for your help here. The system is a Landi system.
> |Fitted by ACC Autogas of Ledbury, Herefordshire.
> |www.acc-autogas.co.uk
>
> Sorry. I meant to reply to tell you where I am based. I am in
> Brixham, Devon. TQ5 area.
>
> Anyone know whether there's a LANDI LPG specialist near here?

Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed there?
Badger.

On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:49:38 -0000, "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed there?
>Badger.
>

and if you're lucky, they might be competent...
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:49:38 -0000, "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed
there?
> >Badger.
> >
>
> and if you're lucky, they might be competent...

Hehehe, indeed they might just. I don't know of any other listings for
finding out who deals with what equipment though Austin, hence my
suggestion. Your point is correct though.
I'm still looking towards becoming an LPGA "approved" installer, but only
due to threats to change the MOT test. There is talk (by the LPGA, surprise
surprise!) of a change to include presenting an LPGA certificate before the
MOT test commences, regardless of whether the vehicle is running on LPG or
not. No cert, no test.
Now, I've stated to "certain people" that having that approval does not
necessarily mean that the installation is any better than one done by a
non-member and that the government can't really introduce a change that
forces individuals to become a member of a body that has no legal power,
only an advisory role, and that any such change would be against all fair
trade laws. The reply was that there would indeed need to be some sort of
loophole but no-one has really worked out how to administer such.
No surprises there then, that the LPGA don't really want to spend any time
agreeing on a system that would protect you from having to joint them!
That's the impression I have at the moment, at least.
Badger

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:15:06 -0000, "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Now, I've stated to "certain people" that having that approval does not
>necessarily mean that the installation is any better than one done by a
>non-member and that the government can't really introduce a change that
>forces individuals to become a member of a body that has no legal power,
>only an advisory role, and that any such change would be against all fair
>trade laws.


It's already done under the various building regs, CORGI have it
almost airtight and hetas, fensa etc are close behind. A similar thing
is done by nominet. You don't make anything compulsory just require a
certificate for the work and enable the member of a recognised body to
issue the certificate themselves. Anyone else has to submit to an
inspection by the "authority" who charge a few hundred pounds for
their visit.

AJH

In message <[email protected]>, Badger
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:49:38 -0000, "Badger"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >
>> >Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed
>there?
>> >Badger.
>> >
>>
>> and if you're lucky, they might be competent...
>
>Hehehe, indeed they might just. I don't know of any other listings for
>finding out who deals with what equipment though Austin, hence my
>suggestion. Your point is correct though.
>I'm still looking towards becoming an LPGA "approved" installer, but only
>due to threats to change the MOT test. There is talk (by the LPGA, surprise
>surprise!) of a change to include presenting an LPGA certificate before the
>MOT test commences, regardless of whether the vehicle is running on LPG or
>not. No cert, no test.
>Now, I've stated to "certain people" that having that approval does not
>necessarily mean that the installation is any better than one done by a
>non-member and that the government can't really introduce a change that
>forces individuals to become a member of a body that has no legal power,
>only an advisory role, and that any such change would be against all fair
>trade laws. The reply was that there would indeed need to be some sort of
>loophole but no-one has really worked out how to administer such.
>No surprises there then, that the LPGA don't really want to spend any time
>agreeing on a system that would protect you from having to joint them!
>That's the impression I have at the moment, at least.
>Badger
>
>
Can you be more specific, Badger.

Our local MP is Chair of the Parliamentary committee on Transport and if
this is a serious threat I will take it up with her. She has always
taken an interest in alternative fuels and I have fairly regular contact
on other matters.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Badger
> <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:49:38 -0000, "Badger"
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed
> >there?
> >> >Badger.
> >> >
> >>
> >> and if you're lucky, they might be competent...
> >
> >Hehehe, indeed they might just. I don't know of any other listings for
> >finding out who deals with what equipment though Austin, hence my
> >suggestion. Your point is correct though.
> >I'm still looking towards becoming an LPGA "approved" installer, but only
> >due to threats to change the MOT test. There is talk (by the LPGA,
surprise
> >surprise!) of a change to include presenting an LPGA certificate before
the
> >MOT test commences, regardless of whether the vehicle is running on LPG
or
> >not. No cert, no test.
> >Now, I've stated to "certain people" that having that approval does not
> >necessarily mean that the installation is any better than one done by a
> >non-member and that the government can't really introduce a change that
> >forces individuals to become a member of a body that has no legal power,
> >only an advisory role, and that any such change would be against all fair
> >trade laws. The reply was that there would indeed need to be some sort of
> >loophole but no-one has really worked out how to administer such.
> >No surprises there then, that the LPGA don't really want to spend any
time
> >agreeing on a system that would protect you from having to joint them!
> >That's the impression I have at the moment, at least.
> >Badger
> >
> >
> Can you be more specific, Badger.
>
> Our local MP is Chair of the Parliamentary committee on Transport and if
> this is a serious threat I will take it up with her. She has always
> taken an interest in alternative fuels and I have fairly regular contact
> on other matters.
> --
> hugh

Copied over from an email received from Mike Chapman, LPGA.

"As regards future legislation we have been lobbying government for years
and
at last there is some movement. The DfT have included a clause in the Road
Safety Bill currently passing through Parliament which will enable the DfT
to bring in a regulation requiring all conversions to be inspected and
certificated. A legal requirement and common backstop will be no MOT without
certificate."

"The DfT have already discounted training all MOT stations for these
inspections on cost benefit grounds and are currently looking at using the
skill base of LPGA Approved Installers, albeit those that apply will have to
meet / be subject to additional criteria."

And from another email, same source,

"As regards legislation, the intention is to use the LPGA approved installer
skill base for VOSA economic reasons but my own belief it is unlikely that
that it will be exclusively so. I am sure that VOSA will wish the provide
the consumer with an independent alternative for the reasons you state
albeit they will probably not wish to see this alternative in great
numbers.

As mentioned it is also envisaged that those LPGA Approved Installers which
wish to take in the inspection role would be subject to additional
monitoring by VOSA and would need to meet their criteria. In this way any
there would be better insurance of maintaining standards.

It would not matter which fuel the vehicle was presented on for MOT - if an
LPG system was fitted then the MOT on either fuel could not be started with
provision of the Conversion Certificate."

Badger.

On or around Fri, 3 Nov 2006 01:02:33 -0000, "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The DfT have included a clause in the Road
>Safety Bill currently passing through Parliament which will enable the DfT
>to bring in a regulation requiring all conversions to be inspected and
>certificated. A legal requirement and common backstop will be no MOT without
>certificate."

I ought to take my converted car which was done by an LPGA approved bloke
and see if they'll certify it... *I* wouldn't, for at least one reason I
know of.
--
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"Something there is that doesn't love a wall."
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In message <[email protected]>, Badger
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>, Badger
>> <[email protected]> writes
>> >
>> >"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:49:38 -0000, "Badger"
>> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Have a look on the LPGA's installer's list, might be something listed
>> >there?
>> >> >Badger.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> and if you're lucky, they might be competent...
>> >
>> >Hehehe, indeed they might just. I don't know of any other listings for
>> >finding out who deals with what equipment though Austin, hence my
>> >suggestion. Your point is correct though.
>> >I'm still looking towards becoming an LPGA "approved" installer, but only
>> >due to threats to change the MOT test. There is talk (by the LPGA,
>surprise
>> >surprise!) of a change to include presenting an LPGA certificate before
>the
>> >MOT test commences, regardless of whether the vehicle is running on LPG
>or
>> >not. No cert, no test.
>> >Now, I've stated to "certain people" that having that approval does not
>> >necessarily mean that the installation is any better than one done by a
>> >non-member and that the government can't really introduce a change that
>> >forces individuals to become a member of a body that has no legal power,
>> >only an advisory role, and that any such change would be against all fair
>> >trade laws. The reply was that there would indeed need to be some sort of
>> >loophole but no-one has really worked out how to administer such.
>> >No surprises there then, that the LPGA don't really want to spend any
>time
>> >agreeing on a system that would protect you from having to joint them!
>> >That's the impression I have at the moment, at least.
>> >Badger
>> >
>> >
>> Can you be more specific, Badger.
>>
>> Our local MP is Chair of the Parliamentary committee on Transport and if
>> this is a serious threat I will take it up with her. She has always
>> taken an interest in alternative fuels and I have fairly regular contact
>> on other matters.
>> --
>> hugh
>
>Copied over from an email received from Mike Chapman, LPGA.
>
>"As regards future legislation we have been lobbying government for years
>and
>at last there is some movement. The DfT have included a clause in the Road
>Safety Bill currently passing through Parliament which will enable the DfT
>to bring in a regulation requiring all conversions to be inspected and
>certificated. A legal requirement and common backstop will be no MOT without
>certificate."
>
>"The DfT have already discounted training all MOT stations for these
>inspections on cost benefit grounds and are currently looking at using the
>skill base of LPGA Approved Installers, albeit those that apply will have to
>meet / be subject to additional criteria."
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>And from another email, same source,
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>"As regards legislation, the intention is to use the LPGA approved installer
>skill base for VOSA economic reasons but my own belief it is unlikely that
>that it will be exclusively so. I am sure that VOSA will wish the provide
>the consumer with an independent alternative for the reasons you state
>albeit they will probably not wish to see this alternative in great
>numbers.
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>As mentioned it is also envisaged that those LPGA Approved Installers which
>wish to take in the inspection role would be subject to additional
>monitoring by VOSA and would need to meet their criteria. In this way any
>there would be better insurance of maintaining standards.
>
>It would not matter which fuel the vehicle was presented on for MOT - if an
>LPG system was fitted then the MOT on either fuel could not be started with
>provision of the Conversion Certificate."
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>Badger.
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Thanks, will take this along at next opportunity.
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hugh
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