Lil-landys cock up

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lil-landy

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Well, last night I got a little stupid and decided to take my landy through a small (but very deep) pond.

I ended up getting stuck just as I was pulling out the pond. Water was around axle depth here. Engine cut out and would not start. So I winched it a few metres with the highlift up a hill out the pond. It started, drove out and kept running fine for the rest of playtime.

Been out this afternoon to try and take landy out. It will turn over, but will not start.

I'm baffled. Everything seems fine. Warning lights for oil and battery are on, but are always on just before I turn it over.

Its a 2000 TD5 110 station wagon. Anyone got any ideas?
 
Bit of an update. Just had a look under the drivers seat at the ECU, its filled with water at the bottom of the compartment, but none actually at ECU level.

I don't think it would be the ECU as it was running after we got it out the water, it is turning over and all other systems are working. But I'm sure you know better than me, I'm just trying to give myself a bit of comfort here.
 
Water on the floor in the front seating area, rear seating area and rear load area. It was just the area we got stuck in where it was only axle deep.

It seems to be a glow plug problem, I think they may of gotten very wet. As the engine will start with about 20 minutes of pre-heating and will start after it has been running instantaeneously. (can't spell) It will also bump start very easily.

I think that means its the glow plugs, but again, I refer to the knowledge of landyzone, knowing much more than me :p (honestly...I know nothing)
 
lil-landy said:
Water on the floor in the front seating area, rear seating area and rear load area. It was just the area we got stuck in where it was only axle deep.

It seems to be a glow plug problem, I think they may of gotten very wet. As the engine will start with about 20 minutes of pre-heating and will start after it has been running instantaeneously. (can't spell) It will also bump start very easily.

I think that means its the glow plugs, but again, I refer to the knowledge of landyzone, knowing much more than me :p (honestly...I know nothing)
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It's unlikely that it's glow plugs as it doesn't need em unless it's freezing cold out. Sounds like a fuel pressure or compression problem.
 
Could it be (I think they're called) heater coils? As I understand it the glow plugs heat the heater coils for starting. If preheating the engine works, then could it be that the heater coils aren't working properly?
 
lil-landy said:
Could it be (I think they're called) heater coils? As I understand it the glow plugs heat the heater coils for starting. If preheating the engine works, then could it be that the heater coils aren't working properly?
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It still shouldn't take 20 mins of pre-heating.

Did the engine suck any water in? Was your air filter wet? Can you hear the in tank fuel pump running when you turn the ignition on? Is the water trap sensor fitted? Is there any smoke from the zorst when it's cranking over? Is there any smoke from the eggzorst when it's running?
 
ratty said:
It still shouldn't take 20 mins of pre-heating.

Did the engine suck any water in?

Don't know, didn't appear to as it ran fine

Was your air filter wet?

I'll check and get back to you.

Can you hear the in tank fuel pump running when you turn the ignition on?

Don't think so, I'll check and get back to you

Is the water trap sensor fitted?

Don't know, will try and find out

Is there any smoke from the zorst when it's cranking over?

No

Is there any smoke from the eggzorst when it's running?

No more than normal
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Replies are in bold. Sorry for the very unuseful replies. As I said I'm very new to this. Its now started after 5 minutes of preheating, by the way.
 
lil-landy said:
Replies are in bold. Sorry for the very unuseful replies. As I said I'm very new to this. Its now started after 5 minutes of preheating, by the way.
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Did the engine suck any water in?

Don't know, didn't appear to as it ran fine Fingers crossed then

Was your air filter wet?

I'll check and get back to you. ok

Can you hear the in tank fuel pump running when you turn the ignition on?

Don't think so, I'll check and get back to you Have a listen to see if a) it's working and b) if it's louder than normal

Is the water trap sensor fitted?

Don't know, will try and find out If there's a big fat bung with wires hanging out of the fuel filter which is under the drivers side rear wheel arch then it is fitted. If it's more like a bottle top with a spout it aint.

Is there any smoke from the zorst when it's cranking over?

No That means no fuel

Is there any smoke from the eggzorst when it's running?

No more than normal Thats good news
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replies in red.;):D
 
lil-landy said:
Regards smoke not coming from the exhaust when its cranking over, it never has done, sorry, should of made that clear.
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you wouldn't have.

The smoke is unburnt fuel. As your engine fires straight away you would have burnt the fuel.

Now it's cranking but not smoking it's saying that you have no fuel. I'm wondering if you have water in your fuel and are actually purging the fuel system for the 5 mins before your engine starts.
 
aaaaa haaaa! just had a thought :)

whilst installing my TD5 tank into the 300 I noticed a breather that lets air INTO the tank. It sits in the rear n/s arch and bolted against the tub. I did a little research and people were saying that when the weather is bad or in snow water was getting into the fuel and causing problems at the engine end. taking it back to LR they wouldnt admit there was a fault and said that the owners had been filling their tanks with water! anyway, I would drain your tank and refill with 20L of fresh diesel whilst also changing any filters in the system.

As this breather has a 6mm hose I was thinking of joining it into my extended breather on the rear axle. Has anyone done this? I have just tucked it behind the weather shield for now.

G
 
Griffdowg said:
aaaaa haaaa! just had a thought :)

whilst installing my TD5 tank into the 300 I noticed a breather that lets air INTO the tank. It sits in the rear n/s arch and bolted against the tub. I did a little research and people were saying that when the weather is bad or in snow water was getting into the fuel and causing problems at the engine end. taking it back to LR they wouldnt admit there was a fault and said that the owners had been filling their tanks with water! anyway, I would drain your tank and refill with 20L of fresh diesel whilst also changing any filters in the system.

As this breather has a 6mm hose I was thinking of joining it into my extended breather on the rear axle. Has anyone done this? I have just tucked it behind the weather shield for now.

G
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Just cos you is thinking along the same lines as me it don't mean I'm a fish OK.:mad::mad::mad:;):D
 
Sorry, not been following. Just reading the feed :) saw fuel and remembered he went in a bit deep on the back end (ooo er missus). Made me think of that stupid breather.

G
 
Griffdowg said:
Sorry, not been following. Just reading the feed :) saw fuel and remembered he went in a bit deep on the back end (ooo er missus). Made me think of that stupid breather.

G
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S'alright mate. I think yer on the button with the how the water would get there. On earlier deependers they had breathable filler caps but TD5 ones are sealed. It doesn't leave a lot of other explanations.
 
so I can block mine up then If the Its linked to the original 300 filler? would save some hassle. Although Im already thinking the Y piece filler is cack, and may cut another filler into the rear.

G
 
I fixed it! Drained the tank (well, most of it, like to save the pennies) refilled it with good quality diesel, changed the fuel filter. Runs like a dream again now.

Thanks guys.

To stop this happening in future. I think I'm gonna get busy with the RTV sealant, all over the drivers seatbox, winch, snorkel, turbo box, and put an extended breather on that fuel tank breather, which isn't blocked.
 
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