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norseman said:
Sadly no sane person buys a LR product for reliability these days, though decades ago intrepid travellers ventured into the unknown all the time in Series 1/2 & 3's.
Don't think I'd want to in today's examples :(
Toyota or Nissan would be my choice, unpatriotic I know but ...
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I'd feel nervous going to Newcastle in the modern examples.

I wonder what the new Land Rover Pretender will be like?
 
Grrrrrr said:
I wonder what the new Land Rover Pretender will be like?
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Saw it on Top Gear last night. £70k for a boxy, possibly smaller Disco. JLR appear to have lost the plot. Range Rover is the luxury SUV. Disco is simplified reuses old Rangie model parts, fixing reliability issues. Defender is a cheap workhorse. Freelander is a smaller capable 4x4 for hairdessers and those on a budget.

The new Disco shares as much of the Range Rover as a chicken does to a T.Rex. The Evoque is a luxury Freelander pretending to be something else. God only knows what the Velar is. And now there's a Defender that costs an arm and a leg you'd be scary to attempt a raised kerb in.
 
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Grrrrrr said:
Saw it on Top Gear last night. £70k for a boxy, possibly smaller Disco. JLR appear to have lost the plot. Range Rover is the luxury SUV. Disco is simplified reuses old Rangie model parts, fixing reliability issues. Defender is a cheap workhorse. Freelander is a smaller capable 4x4 for hairdessers and those on a budget.

The new Disco shares as much of the Range Rover as a chicken does to a T.Rex. The Evoque is a luxury Freelander pretending to be something else. God only knows what the is. And now there's a Defender that costs an arm and a leg you'd be scary to attempt a raised kerb in.
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The new Pretender looks to me like an Ejoke in a new frock:rolleyes: The Jimny with a body kit looks better.
 
Grrrrrr said:
Saw it on Top Gear last night. £70k for a boxy, possibly smaller Disco. JLR appear to have lost the plot. Range Rover is the luxury SUV. Disco is simplified reuses old Rangie model parts, fixing reliability issues. Defender is a cheap workhorse. Freelander is a smaller capable 4x4 for hairdessers and those on a budget.
The new Disco shares as much of the Range Rover as a chicken does to a T.Rex. The Evoque is a luxury Freelander pretending to be something else. God only knows what the is. And now there's a Defender that costs an arm and a leg you'd be scary to attempt a raised kerb in.
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It's all about marketing. Give buyers what they want, keep your workforce employed & your shareholders happy.
Who cares if your products are assembled with unreliable & largely unnecessary components, as long as the resulting pose-mobile draws the attention of lesser (but wiser) mortals.

Are all real LR owners confirmed cynics I wonder, or is it just me :rolleyes:
 
I think they have missed a trick. As it is they're saying they cannot compete on price with the Japs. So change the rules.

They should have thought modular and above all, simple. A workhorse that can be disassembled and reassembled using a dozen tools. A car that can go just about anywhere and tow 4 tons. Make it so it can take a petrol engine, LPG or electric and more importantly you can swap them out. Same with interior, keep it basic but if people want all the options or to add (or replace later on) you can do so. Completely recyclable in effect and if you break down in the wilds you can repair it and move on. Those that want cheap workhorse happy, those that want adventure happy, those that want a bit more luxury happy.

There must be some decent engineers tgat could do that and bring it in at £20k upwards as opposed to £45k upwards.
 
norseman said:
It's all about marketing. Give buyers what they want, keep your workforce employed & your shareholders happy.
Who cares if your products are assembled with unreliable & largely unnecessary components, as long as the resulting pose-mobile draws the attention of lesser (but wiser) mortals.

Are all real LR owners confirmed cynics I wonder, or is it just me :rolleyes:
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It's actually about persuading buyers to want what they didn't know they wanted, Steve Jobs was the real expert at that.
 
JLR are just like most manufacturers, they are only concerned with new car buyers who replace their motor every 3 years or less. If you are such a person you would be happy with the product and reliability wouldn't be an issue for you. Admittedly, there is a resale issue but if you can afford a new Range Rover every three years, the money lost at when you to trade it in probably doesn't worry you. It's us poor saps in the high mileage second hand models that have all the issues.

Col
 
Colthebrummie said:
JLR are just like most manufacturers, they are only concerned with new car buyers who replace their motor every 3 years or less. If you are such a person you would be happy with the product and reliability wouldn't be an issue for you. Admittedly, there is a resale issue but if you can afford a new Range Rover every three years, the money lost at when you to trade it in probably doesn't worry you. It's us poor saps in the high mileage second hand models that have all the issues.

Col
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If you look at the warranty failure rate on the RRS, you might think differently.
 
I wouldn’t be able to have a brand new £60,000 P38 when new. In 1995 could get a house round ere for £15K

£500 for a broken 20 year old one is like being able to afford my dream monster truck vehicle.
Won’t be many 25 year old Ejokes I bet
 
I don't understand why LR didn't just stick to what they knew, and make their vehicles the best in their class/es. Rolls Royce has weathered the storm because they stayed true to the brand. Rolls Royce brought out models to appeal to their loyal customers , and to attract the new rich. Without ever losing sight of who they are and what they stand for.
LR have been scrambling about trying to appeal to anyone and everyone who wants a green oval keyring. They are trying to grab the school run fob wavers, the 4x4 executive owners, the 'I want a Range Rover but can't afford it' mob. Whilst at the same time not wishing to let go of the 'real' off-road market, rural livers, farmers, vets, and so on.
The Sport should have been the last nod to those who don't really need a Range Rover but like them, the ejoke should have been FL4, the Velar FL5. The full fat should have been the last word in 4x4 luxury, sticking with the brand. Another department should have ensured that the Defender was updated, upgraded , and aimed at the market it was loved by.
By spreading themselves too thin, trying to appeal to everyone. Putting Range Rover on so many models, cheapening the brand, and forgetting their roots.
This is where they lost it. I doubt they will ever come back from it.
 
Grrrrrr said:
I think they have missed a trick. As it is they're saying they cannot compete on price with the Japs. So change the rules.

They should have thought modular and above all, simple. A workhorse that can be disassembled and reassembled using a dozen tools. A car that can go just about anywhere and tow 4 tons. Make it so it can take a petrol engine, LPG or electric and more importantly you can swap them out. Same with interior, keep it basic but if people want all the options or to add (or replace later on) you can do so. Completely recyclable in effect and if you break down in the wilds you can repair it and move on. Those that want cheap workhorse happy, those that want adventure happy, those that want a bit more luxury happy.

The irony here is, leaving out the 'lecky part, you are describing a Series 3 or early Defender :rolleyes:
At least Toyota & Nissan still offer ROW (rest of the world) spec. which I suspect is why you see so much newsreel of Nissan's with UN markings.
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gold rover said:
I don't understand why LR didn't just stick to what they knew, and make their vehicles the best in their class/es. Rolls Royce has weathered the storm because they stayed true to the brand. Rolls Royce brought out models to appeal to their loyal customers , and to attract the new rich. Without ever losing sight of who they are and what they stand for.
LR have been scrambling about trying to appeal to anyone and everyone who wants a green oval keyring. They are trying to grab the school run fob wavers, the 4x4 executive owners, the 'I want a Range Rover but can't afford it' mob. Whilst at the same time not wishing to let go of the 'real' off-road market, rural livers, farmers, vets, and so on.
The Sport should have been the last nod to those who don't really need a Range Rover but like them, the ejoke should have been FL4, the Velar FL5. The full fat should have been the last word in 4x4 luxury, sticking with the brand. Another department should have ensured that the Defender was updated, upgraded , and aimed at the market it was loved by.
By spreading themselves too thin, trying to appeal to everyone. Putting Range Rover on so many models, cheapening the brand, and forgetting their roots.
This is where they lost it. I doubt they will ever come back from it.
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Totally agree spot on
 
Grrrrrr said:
I'd feel nervous going to Newcastle in the modern examples.

I wonder what the new Land Rover Pretender will be like?
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Did 653 miles in my 2000 Thor powered P38 yesterday. Only drama was the fun'n'games trying to find LPG to fill the beast. Averaged about 13 mpg towing a 16' trailer all the way, with about 2tonnes of marine engines aboard for about 60miles. Love my P38!
 
Jon Dor said:
Did 653 miles in my 2000 Thor powered P38 yesterday. Only drama was the fun'n'games trying to find LPG to fill the beast. Averaged about 13 mpg towing a 16' trailer all the way, with about 2tonnes of marine engines aboard for about 60miles. Love my P38!
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The strange lack of LPG when we're supposed to be moving to less polluting fuels has been noted on here before. It is getting harder to find LPG!
 
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