LED Lightbulb replacements

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John Oakes

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Hi Gang.
I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights
and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
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John N Oakes
Manchester, England.

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! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
! Atari/Win/Mac User !
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"John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Gang.
> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights
> and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
>

LED,s are good. They last longer than filament bulbs and draw less current
although that is not particularly an issue in a LR.
The fact they last longer is good, if like me you have a Disco that requires
the rear seats to be taken out to change the brake light bulbs!

One tip though, don't put LED sidelights in with a filament headlamp as the
heat will destroy the LED quickly.

TonyB


 
I have never had to take rear seats out to change brake light bulb!
Discos from 1990 up to srs2

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi Gang.
>> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights
>> and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
>>

> LED,s are good. They last longer than filament bulbs and draw less current
> although that is not particularly an issue in a LR.
> The fact they last longer is good, if like me you have a Disco that
> requires
> the rear seats to be taken out to change the brake light bulbs!
>
> One tip though, don't put LED sidelights in with a filament headlamp as
> the
> heat will destroy the LED quickly.
>
> TonyB
>
>



 
On or around Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:26:05 +0000, John Oakes
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi Gang.
> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights
>and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.


They work nicely in defender lamps, or series lamps.

The latest kind with sideways ones as well are better in lamps with
reflectors.

To make the indicators work needs either load resistors or surgery on the
flasher unit, depending on flasher unit fitted - the old-fashioned thermal
kind will only work with load resistors.

The amber ones are not as bright as you might hope. They're OK for
flashers, but not as bright as 21W bulbs. Red ones are better - it some
sort of subjective thing.

white ones in the sidelights are seriously cool, though. I used 12-led in
LR sidelights to good effect, and 19-led narrow angle in brake/rear and
indicator.

Currently got 24-led wide angle in the minibus lights, they're pretty good
and the 6 extra sideways ones make a difference. You'd want that type in a
disco or RR light.

and finally: Buy 'em from America. Seriously.
http://www.superbrightleds.com

it's ridiculous, but buying from them and paying 5 bucks for normal,
non-tracking post is way cheaper.

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"tomtom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I have never had to take rear seats out to change brake light bulb!
> Discos from 1990 up to srs2
>

I think he was refering to the side facing seats, you need to remove the top
two bolts and drop it down to access the cover plate.

Peter


 
"John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Gang.
> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights and
> indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
> --
> -
> Compliments
>
> John N Oakes
> Manchester, England.
>
> =============================
> ! Nightshift Morlock Worker!
> ! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
> ! Atari/Win/Mac User !
> =============================


I was thinking about getting some LED lights for the rear of my ninety. A
couple of weeks ago during a 'pay and play' day a tree jumped out behind me
(honest) whilst reversing from some really bad ruts. I smashed the reverse
light, tail light and indicator. In total I paid £2.50 in a mix a new and
used replacement parts to fix the damage. I decided from then on it would
not be such a good idea to buy the LED replacements.

Stew.
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1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.


 
and you didn't have light protectors on - tut tut!


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Regards


David J. Button
"90ninety" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi Gang.
>> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights
>> and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
>> --
>> -
>> Compliments
>>
>> John N Oakes
>> Manchester, England.
>>
>> =============================
>> ! Nightshift Morlock Worker!
>> ! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
>> ! Atari/Win/Mac User !
>> =============================

>
> I was thinking about getting some LED lights for the rear of my ninety. A
> couple of weeks ago during a 'pay and play' day a tree jumped out behind
> me (honest) whilst reversing from some really bad ruts. I smashed the
> reverse light, tail light and indicator. In total I paid £2.50 in a mix a
> new and used replacement parts to fix the damage. I decided from then on
> it would not be such a good idea to buy the LED replacements.
>
> Stew.
> --
> 1990 Ninety 2.5 n/a D (Jasmine) - the off-road toy
> Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
> New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.
>



 
I replaced the lamps with LEDs on the back of my Range.. the cruise control
has stopped working at the same time, I'm sure it's related.




"John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Gang.
> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights and
> indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
> --
> -
> Compliments
>
> John N Oakes
> Manchester, England.
>
> =============================
> ! Nightshift Morlock Worker!
> ! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
> ! Atari/Win/Mac User !
> =============================



 
Bill Hi,

most probably it is because of the significantly lower resistance of LEDs
when compared to regular bulbs.
If you connect a resistor you will most probably solve the problem.

What is happening in most probably due to the same reason that flashers need
to have a resistor also in order for their relay to function properly.

Take care
Pantelis


"Bill Payer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I replaced the lamps with LEDs on the back of my Range.. the cruise

control
> has stopped working at the same time, I'm sure it's related.
>
>
>
>
> "John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi Gang.
> > I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED stoplights

and
> > indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they any good.
> > --
> > -
> > Compliments
> >
> > John N Oakes
> > Manchester, England.
> >
> > =============================
> > ! Nightshift Morlock Worker!
> > ! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
> > ! Atari/Win/Mac User !
> > =============================

>
>



 
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> and finally: Buy 'em from America. Seriously.
> http://www.superbrightleds.com
>
> it's ridiculous, but buying from them and paying 5 bucks for normal,
> non-tracking post is way cheaper.


Thanks for the heads up.

Talking of alternatives, has anyone investigated the use of fibre optics
for driving lights?

--
William Tasso
 
On or around Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:01:15 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Bill Hi,
>
>most probably it is because of the significantly lower resistance of LEDs
>when compared to regular bulbs.
>If you connect a resistor you will most probably solve the problem.
>


cruise has an interlock with brakes, doesn't it? might be sensing from the
brake light circuit.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)
 
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:45:41 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

> cruise has an interlock with brakes, doesn't it? might be sensing
> from the brake light circuit.


Might be but I thought it was a seperate switch in the pedal box. I'd
split the bet between your suggestion and knocking/disturbing some
other cruise related wiring or tubing. If a petrol engine...

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Oh I am in an anarchic mood tonight, you don't need lights to be fitted at
all if you are not using the vehicle during the hours of darkness, and if
you are, paint it black so no-ones will see you are illegal :)


--
Larry

(who got stopped last Xmas for driving without lights)


"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Talking of alternatives, has anyone investigated the use of fibre optics
> for driving lights?
>
> --
> William Tasso



 
On or around Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:02:42 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Oh I am in an anarchic mood tonight, you don't need lights to be fitted at
>all if you are not using the vehicle during the hours of darkness, and if
>you are, paint it black so no-ones will see you are illegal :)


and install stealth headlamps behind the grille.

better yet, stealth IR headlamps and use night-vision goggles.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> better yet, stealth IR headlamps and use night-vision goggles.

Always fancied trying that.

Steve
 
Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> Bill Hi,
>
> most probably it is because of the significantly lower resistance of
> LEDs when compared to regular bulbs.
> If you connect a resistor you will most probably solve the problem.
>
> What is happening in most probably due to the same reason that
> flashers need to have a resistor also in order for their relay to
> function properly.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
>
> "Bill Payer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I replaced the lamps with LEDs on the back of my Range.. the cruise
>> control has stopped working at the same time, I'm sure it's related.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "John Oakes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi Gang.
>>> I notice an advert for replacement light bulbs, LED
>>> stoplights and indicators. Have anybody tried these and are they
>>> any good. --
>>> -
>>> Compliments
>>>
>>> John N Oakes
>>> Manchester, England.
>>>
>>> =============================
>>> ! Nightshift Morlock Worker!
>>> ! Landrover 110 V8 1988 !
>>> ! Atari/Win/Mac User !
>>> =============================


LED's are current driven, not voltage driven - fit no resistor & something
will have to blow or burn. You should be able to look up the required
current for the LED you have and chose a resistor to suit the voltage you're
running at, then the LED will work correctly. Resistor in series, of course,
not in parallel.

HTH

Karen


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast


 
Karen Gallagher wrote:

> LED's are current driven, not voltage driven - fit no resistor & something
> will have to blow or burn. You should be able to look up the required
> current for the LED you have and chose a resistor to suit the voltage you're
> running at, then the LED will work correctly. Resistor in series, of course,
> not in parallel.



Surely the vehicle lights have integrated resistors, for the fixed
supply ? BTW not only do you need the required current, but the forward
voltage drop of the diode, which varies with the LED technology, from
1.2 V to 4-ish for white Luxeon Lumileds.
Then R= (Vsupply-Vf)/I where Vf is the forward volt drop, I is the
current in Amps. R is then in Ohms.


Steve
 
On or around Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:17:58 +1000, "Karen Gallagher"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>LED's are current driven, not voltage driven - fit no resistor & something
>will have to blow or burn. You should be able to look up the required
>current for the LED you have and chose a resistor to suit the voltage you're
>running at, then the LED will work correctly. Resistor in series, of course,
>not in parallel.


yeah, but we're not talking straight LEDs, we're talking arrays with
suitable resistors to run on 12-14V supply.

However, the old-style thermal flasher units rely on the current in the bulb
to make 'em work right, and the new-style electronic flasher units use a
reduction in bulb current to trigger "bulb failure" mode and flash at the
wrong speed (which the old ones did anyway). Unless, of course, you're
talking about the one in mine which has the track to the bulb outage pin on
the IC cut, so that it flashes normally all the time, even with the LED
"bulbs".

what's odd is that the amber bulbs are made with LEDs at 8800 mcd each max.
axial intensity, while the red ones are 7500mcd. But the red ones look
brighter, subjectively, than the amber ones, in identical bulb housings.

I emailed them about this, and suggested that they might look at brighter
ones for the amber things, if such exist. 'course, it might be possible to
drive them harder...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> what's odd is that the amber bulbs are made with LEDs at 8800 mcd each max.
> axial intensity, while the red ones are 7500mcd. But the red ones look
> brighter, subjectively, than the amber ones, in identical bulb housings.
>



What's even odder is this goes against the photopic sensitivity curves
of the eye ( http://www.resodance.com/ali/pho_sens.html if you're
interested )- or, we can't see red as well as we can see orange . Orange
is a LOT closer to our peak sensitivity than red.

Steve
 
On or around Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:03:43 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> what's odd is that the amber bulbs are made with LEDs at 8800 mcd each max.
>> axial intensity, while the red ones are 7500mcd. But the red ones look
>> brighter, subjectively, than the amber ones, in identical bulb housings.
>>

>
>
>What's even odder is this goes against the photopic sensitivity curves
>of the eye ( http://www.resodance.com/ali/pho_sens.html if you're
>interested )- or, we can't see red as well as we can see orange . Orange
>is a LOT closer to our peak sensitivity than red.


beats me. I invite anyone to call in and observe, though. You can also
observe the same effect on Grumble... the amber flashers aren't as bright as
you might expect.

If I get some pennies, I might buy some of superbrightleds "4 inch truck
lamps" which are 25 bucks apiece. they'd make nice trailer lights. see
what they're like. They'd go quite nicely on the back of a landy, of
course, too :)
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
 

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