Landies on the road statistics

I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?

Steve

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:46 +0000, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road

Its true. And the other 30% made it home ;o)

I would guess it is a moving statistic, in that if it is true, as the older
ones get scrapped the proportion stays the same because of the longevity of
the newer ones, that given the greater number of them manufactured it keeps
things the same, though I am no mathemetician to produce a formula
demonstrating that.

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"steve Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
>anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
>
> Steve

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:46 +0000, steve Taylor <[email protected]> said:

> I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all
> series Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that
> purely anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?

Here's my response to the same question from 3 and a half years ago:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.fan.landrover/msg/945b3f59c4cc6e5d

And now, thanks to the Wayback machine (and the Wayback Firefox
plugin, which saves a great deal of cutting and pasting of URLs), here
is the original ASA adjudication on Land-Rover's advertisement:

<http://web.archive.org/web/19970802073812/www.asa.org.uk/adj/adj_387.htm>

| Complaint:
| Objection to a national press advertisement that claimed "Of all the
| Land Rovers built in the last 30 years, 74% are still on the
| road". The complainant questioned whether the advertisers could
| substantiate the claim.

| Adjudication:
| Complaint upheld.
| The advertisers said the claim was calculated by using a UK survival
| rate and total production figures and adding vehicles on the road
| but not taxed, vehicles reconditioned for export markets and
| vehicles held for export. The Authority considered that the claim
| would be seen to refer to the percentage of all Land Rovers ever
| made, including those exported, that were still working. Because
| this figure could contain an unknown number of defunct vehicles, it
| did not accept that the claim had been shown to be accurate. The
| Authority noted that the advertisement would not be repeated but
| asked the advertisers to seek guidance from the Copy Advice team
| when devising similar claims.

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In article <[email protected]>, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> writes
>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
>anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
>

It occurred to me some time ago that I don't see anything like the
number of series II/IIAs around that I did a few years ago. Are they
hibernating, on limited mileage insurance policies, in small bits being
lovingly rebuilt, or have they died ?


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Larry <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> I would guess it is a moving statistic, in that if it is true, as the
> older ones get scrapped the proportion stays the same because of the
> longevity of the newer ones, that given the greater number of them
> manufactured it keeps things the same, though I am no mathemetician
> to produce a formula demonstrating that.

It's utter tosh, UNLESS they meant 70% of all lubricants ever placed in a
Landrover are still on the road.

Lee D

steve Taylor wrote:
> I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
> Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
> anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
>
> Steve
It's a quote by JA Gilroy, MD of Land Rover Group 1982-1988. See "Land Rover,
The Unbeatable 4x4, 3rd edition, by K&J Slavin & GN Mackie, Foreword, 1st para.
ISBN 0-85429-721-9.

No mention of what his source was, though ...

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steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
> Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
> anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
>
> Steve

That came from a Land Rover ad - they didn't actually say it,
just sort of implied it with some careful wording and it turned
into an urban ledgend/myth.

It's a load of codswallop, certainly these days, and porbably
was then (about 5 or 6 years ago). About that time 90's became
cheap enough for all to own, and Series motors, particularly
109's, were being scrapped left, right and centre - so much so
that bottom dropped out of s/h spares market (we skipped
13 tons of s/h Series spares no one wanted).

Early Discovery I's are going the same way as owners don't seem
inclined to do repairs like they used to in them thar 'ole days,
donating engines and gearboxes to early Defenders, similarly
Range Rover Classics are now at end-of-life except for some
die-hards.

Defenders are still going up in value round here! Getting one
at all is difficult, getting a good one is very difficult. A
completely life expired 110 SW with totally knackerd 2.5D and the
injector pump filling the timing case with diesel made £1,000
a couple of weeks ago - it wasn't even worth breaking!

As for 38a onwards non-Defenders, well they seem to be going
just like any other luxury car - good ones sell, duff ones
get scrapped.

Strangely, bearing in mind their somewhat over hyped bad
reputation, Freelanders do seem to be being kept going, but
then they don't, generally speaking, suffer from body/chassis
rot problems - yet.

Richard

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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:46 +0000, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
>anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?

I asked a Land Rover salesman about this at one of the big
agricultural shows. I can't remember what the precentage was, but it
was something over 75%. His reply was that it was hardly surprising
that x % of LRs were still on the road as x % were built in in the
last 15 years.

Duracell Bunny wrote:

> It's a quote by JA Gilroy, MD of Land Rover Group 1982-1988. See "Land
> Rover, The Unbeatable 4x4, 3rd edition, by K&J Slavin & GN Mackie,
> Foreword, 1st para. ISBN 0-85429-721-9.

That's great. Thanks a lot Karen.

Steve

On or around Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Tim
Jones) enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:46 +0000, steve Taylor
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
>>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
>>anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
>
> I asked a Land Rover salesman about this at one of the big
>agricultural shows. I can't remember what the precentage was, but it
>was something over 75%. His reply was that it was hardly surprising
>that x % of LRs were still on the road as x % were built in in the
>last 15 years.

hehe. good point. how many series were built altogether, compared to the
more recent stuff?
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Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Tim
> Jones) enlightened us thusly:
>
> >On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:46 +0000, steve Taylor
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>I have seen several places claim that something like 70% of all series
> >>Landrovers (90% of 101s ??) are still on the road. Is that purely
> >>anecdotal, or is there some official stats to back it up ?
> >
> > I asked a Land Rover salesman about this at one of the big
> >agricultural shows. I can't remember what the precentage was, but it
> >was something over 75%. His reply was that it was hardly surprising
> >that x % of LRs were still on the road as x % were built in in the
> >last 15 years.
>
> hehe. good point. how many series were built altogether, compared to the
> more recent stuff?

Well, the millionth Land Rover was a latish Series III, and not
so long back some "personality" drove the 1.5 millionth Land
Rover (all models) off the line, so I'd imagine volumes are way
down on their peak, which I'd guess was sometime in the early
70's, after the Range Rover Launch and during large contracts
to the militray (Lighweights and 101's). Certainly the endless
train loads of vehicles heading to Southampton Docks are long
gone.

Richard
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