Land Rover Shows - opinions please

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Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :) ) I
have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please eg

1) Get sloshed
2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when you
correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
gangle-pin.

Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?

Tell me, I'm listening.

--
AndyG
 
A 1937 semi eliptical shimmy shaft gangle pin is just the thing for the
dyslexic owner of a 1973 motor with combobulated widgets.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"AJG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :) ) I
> have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
> You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
> Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please eg
>
> 1) Get sloshed
> 2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
> 3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
> 4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
> 5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when you
> correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
> gangle-pin.
>
> Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
> important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>
> Tell me, I'm listening.
>
> --
> AndyG



 
OK.

Good mix of trade stands from the biggies to the small traders. Stand
pricing has to be attractive to make sure that they don't moan. But
it's not just about shopping, arena and small-ring presentations that
are properly prepared and presented are the biggest thing missing from
Land Rover shows. We see too many parades of effing Camel trophy
vehicles (yawn) around to a dull dull dull commentary. It's too niche,
lacking interest for the majority. What do people want to see and
know. They want to see what these things can do, they want to see how
to do a spot of winching, rigging, overland preparation, pro's and cons
of suspension systems - including interaction with the crowd, Q&A's
with experts. Just take a look at the internet forums - all the
questions are there - what tyres? Where can I drive? Can I retrofit at
Td5 with a 1.6 Peugeot diesel yadda, yadda, yadda. A sense of timing,
pace and organisation is crucial to an event like this. There's
nothing worse than going to an event like this years Gaydon show which
had no sense of event. People were saying - is that it? Instead put
the timetable up on any flat surface, don't keep it hidden in the
programme, advertise the excitement over the PA.

There are some great elements at the shows that are out there already.
LRO at Peterborough had a big site, good stands but a rubbish off road
course. The arena was too big though. Billing in contrast is too
small, but in it's favour has an offroad course with good water
features, sub arenas and vehicle sales and auctions - my other
misgivings I've already aired. LRW has a good off road course.

The off road course at Eastnor is great, all it needs is a bit of rain
- or a water bowser to wet a few spots. How tricky is that?

Effective security that will eject undesireables off site gives peace
of mind to the sensible majority.

The bogs should be serviced thoroughly and regularly.

To add evening atmosphere I'd put on a bloody good bar, BBQ/Hog roast
and folk band to allow groups to meet in a central area rather than
huddling around their tents.

I'd also ban camouflage and bush hats. Bunch of ****s. Only joking of
course. I do hate the auto-scrap though, it's so depressing but a
necessary evil in moderation at these events.

I like the RAC showground in Stoneleigh - good offroad course, plenty
of space without feeling empty, small arenas, and tarmac roads.

I've probably repeated myself and gone round in circles - I hope this
makes sense...





AJG wrote:
> Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :) ) I
> have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
> You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
> Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please eg
>
> 1) Get sloshed
> 2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
> 3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
> 4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
> 5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when you
> correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
> gangle-pin.
>
> Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
> important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>
> Tell me, I'm listening.
>
> --
> AndyG


 
Larry wrote:
> A 1937 semi eliptical shimmy shaft gangle pin is just the thing for the
> dyslexic owner of a 1973 motor with combobulated widgets.
>

Of course, any bloody fool knows THAT.

Steve
 
Thats me out then I'll get me coat.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"ChavScum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> OK.
>
> I'd also ban camouflage and bush hats. Bunch of ****s. Only joking of
> course. I do hate the auto-scrap though, it's so depressing but a
> necessary evil in moderation at these events.
>



 
What's all the camouflage about? Seriously - I just don't get it. Is
it military envy or frustration (TA syndrome), are you hiding from
someone, can't afford clothes, fat and need the bagginess, or do you
think it looks a bit 'in keeping' with the outdoor rufty tufty shooting
and Land Rover lifestylee?

Or are you a hat merchant?

Larry wrote:
> Thats me out then I'll get me coat.


 
Larry wrote:
> A 1937 semi eliptical shimmy shaft gangle pin is just the thing for
> the dyslexic owner of a 1973 motor with combobulated widgets.
>
>
> "AJG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :)
>> ) I have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
>> You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
>> Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please
>> eg
>>
>> 1) Get sloshed
>> 2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
>> 3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
>> 4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
>> 5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when
>> you correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
>> gangle-pin.
>>
>> Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
>> important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>>
>> Tell me, I'm listening.
>>
>> --
>> AndyG


However, I need two!

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry wrote:
>> A 1937 semi eliptical shimmy shaft gangle pin is just the thing for
>> the dyslexic owner of a 1973 motor with combobulated widgets.
>>
>>
>> "AJG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :)
>>> ) I have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
>>> You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
>>> Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please
>>> eg
>>>
>>> 1) Get sloshed
>>> 2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
>>> 3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
>>> 4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
>>> 5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when
>>> you correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
>>> gangle-pin.
>>>
>>> Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
>>> important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>>>
>>> Tell me, I'm listening.
>>>
>>> --
>>> AndyG

>
> However, I need two!
>
> --


Whitworth or BA ( I aint going in no helicopter fool! )?
Derek
keeper of the BA archive


 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:19 +0100, AJG <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :) ) I
>have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
>You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
>Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please eg
>
>1) Get sloshed
>2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ
>3) Decent off road course to break the motor on
>4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus
>5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when you
>correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
>gangle-pin.
>
>Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
>important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>
>Tell me, I'm listening.


All in same order of importance
Good organisation
Clean site and facilities
Good friends
Good food
Good beer to enjoy with food and friends
Field Cinema
Absence of chavs, louts, tealeaves and other general scum


Low on the list of importance
Absence of rivet counters, they're annoying, but fun to wind up!!!
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
"AJG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
> important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>
> Tell me, I'm listening.
>
> --
> AndyG


Atmosphere, the people make it, if it's too commerical it's too in yer face
for a good atmosphere. I guess there needs to be a fine balance between
social function and selling stuff. If it gets too much along the lines of
selling stuff it'll end up like the Donnington trade event, very impersonal.

Having been in to VW's in a big way and spent a good few years doing the VW
scene I no longer wish to live in a canvas field with interwoven guy ropes
that you can't escape from till the mad dash for the gate disperses on
Sunday.

Lee_D


 
On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:19 +0100, AJG <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Ok then people, having read the thread enthusing about Billing ( :) ) I
>have a serious question: why do people go to Land Rover shows?
>You've criticised Billing but what makes a good show *for you*?
>Any suggestions in order of importance (most important first) please eg
>
>1) Get sloshed


Up to a point. only rates about 5 with me.

>2) Talk cobblers about Series 1 steering boxes for hours over a BBQ


definitely. and all sorts of other cobblers - mind you, the getting sloshed
comes in at this stage too. this bit is at least 2 on my list.

>3) Decent off road course to break the motor on


not very important to me.

>4 Cheap place to camp for the weekend away from the missus


sadly, not cheap.

>5) Lots of scrap stuff on stalls that make you look intelligent when you
>correctly identify a broken 1937,semi-elliptical, shimmy-shaft
>gangle-pin.


Oh yes... and the ability to pick up second-hand 1937 etc. for to put on the
motor, and also other hard-to-find parts.

>Ok, so maybe a bit more serious than that ... Are the trade stands
>important? The off-road course? The atmosphere? Good organisation?
>
>Tell me, I'm listening.


Trade stands are good - always worth a look at the latest gadgets and
sometimes I buy some - there's often a show discount which saves a few
pennies.

Another point you missed: displays of awsome competence by the skilled
types such as LR's own or the camel owners club, on obstacle courses and the
like. Silly obstacle course at Malvern last year was a hoot - especially
Dave French with the 6x6 trying to break it, and me and Simon I. in my
series. I've sorted the door tops so they can be unbolted now, might make
it easier this year if I do it again.



--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:36:21 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

If I unrot that address, does that reach you? If not, please forward email
address that works, ideally removing the NOSPAM bit from mine :)
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:30:16 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If I unrot that address, does that reach you?


Lrf, vg qbrf.


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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:19 +0100, AJG <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tell me, I'm listening.


Gawd only knows why...

I go to meet people, maybe eat with them, generally drink with them,
mandatory talk complete bollocks about landie bits I've never heard of
with them, and have a good mulch out. I've seen more landies than I
could ever remember - some are worth it, some are just 'more landies'.

I've sort of had my fill of 'club stands' and the politics that go
with them, which is why I'm more up for the totally unofficial
gatherings. I'll probably 'do' some shows in the future, but only for
the odd bit of retail therapy on top of meeting people who I have time
for and look forward to meeting.

That said, shows like the LRO do at Malvern (based upon last year)
were a true joy in every sense. Everything was clean, and cleaned
regularly. There were no anti-socials ****ing everyone off, no drunk
drivers, and most importantly, LRO seemed to have gone back 10 odd
years and tried to make a 'show' something more than just picking your
pocket at every possible opportunity - and event, for 'us'.



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On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:01:22 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>I've sort of had my fill of 'club stands' and the politics that go
>with them, which is why I'm more up for the totally unofficial
>gatherings. I'll probably 'do' some shows in the future, but only for
>the odd bit of retail therapy on top of meeting people who I have time
>for and look forward to meeting.


So, are you doing Malvern, and if so where do you reckon on being?

I suppose we could all take over GLASS's bit :)
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:30:16 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:36:21 +0100, Simon Isaacs
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>If I unrot that address, does that reach you? If not, please forward email
>address that works, ideally removing the NOSPAM bit from mine :)



yes
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Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:27:03 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>
>Another point you missed: displays of awsome competence by the skilled
>types such as LR's own or the camel owners club, on obstacle courses and the
>like. Silly obstacle course at Malvern last year was a hoot - especially
>Dave French with the 6x6 trying to break it, and me and Simon I. in my
>series. I've sorted the door tops so they can be unbolted now, might make
>it easier this year if I do it again.


Yes, was interesting trying to squeeze through those door tops.....
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:58:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:01:22 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
>@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>I've sort of had my fill of 'club stands' and the politics that go
>>with them, which is why I'm more up for the totally unofficial
>>gatherings. I'll probably 'do' some shows in the future, but only for
>>the odd bit of retail therapy on top of meeting people who I have time
>>for and look forward to meeting.

>
>So, are you doing Malvern, and if so where do you reckon on being?
>
>I suppose we could all take over GLASS's bit :)


sounds like a plan to me....
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
ChavScum <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> What's all the camouflage about? Seriously - I just don't get it. Is
> it military envy or frustration (TA syndrome), are you hiding from
> someone, can't afford clothes, fat and need the bagginess, or do you
> think it looks a bit 'in keeping' with the outdoor rufty tufty
> shooting and Land Rover lifestylee?
>
> Or are you a hat merchant?
>
> Larry wrote:
>> Thats me out then I'll get me coat.


I'm not big in to Cammo but, it's cheap to faff around in and good for
hiding when you don't want to be seen / found when off work.

I find both options useful. :)

I've also just purchased a cammo net which makes for a cracking sun shade
and has a relax noise as the wind blows through it. Besides that it's the
same colour as the truck. Much cheaper than an awning or pavillion, stows
easily and can be used in loads of different ways.

Don't shoot anymore and haven't for the last 20 years (firearms / shotgun at
least). No desire to get shot (which can be why cammo is useful to me,
greens, blacks and urban), yes my vertical hold is gradually slipping but
surely vertical stripes make you look thinner ;-)

There are occasions I'd like a silly big hat, but not at the prices the
decent ones go for, generally I think they look a bit daft but if it's sunny
as a sunny thing or a torrential downpour then much more use to me as a
baldy, given water takes the path of least resistance any other hat it'll be
down my neck... maybe one day I'll get one.

Lee D


 
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