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Seems the Llama may in some form make a return.

Course, it won't be a Llama, more a 4WD Transit van I guess.

Doesn't look like it'll be made at Solihull either.

Seems hardly worth putting a Green Oval on it :-(

 
But I'm sure they will

Like a GTI badge on a new Golf, or a mini badge on that German junk, it will
dilute the name

:O(

Tim


> Seems hardly worth putting a Green Oval on it :-(
>


 
"Someone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But I'm sure they will
>
> Like a GTI badge on a new Golf, or a mini badge on that German junk, it
> will
> dilute the name
>
> :O(
>
> Tim
>
>
>> Seems hardly worth putting a Green Oval on it :-(

All those ovals and so few colours!

Is this the Defender replacement? Or the 101 replacement? Don't they know my
drive is nearly full... I'll have to pave the front garden next.

So many Landrovers... so little time!

;-)

Lee D


 
Gorra be ****e as Land Rover no longer exists as a distinctive marque Ford
can go FTS


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Seems the Llama may in some form make a return.
>
> Course, it won't be a Llama, more a 4WD Transit van I guess.
>
> Doesn't look like it'll be made at Solihull either.
>
> Seems hardly worth putting a Green Oval on it :-(
>


 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:32:04 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Gorra be ****e as Land Rover no longer exists as a distinctive marque Ford
>can go FTS

What rubbish! Land Rover are making some of the most recognisable and
distinctive vehicles on the road today. After many years of rolling
out poor quality vehicles (too many long running design faults to
list, but R380 gearboxes, Defender rear doors, Range Rover rotting
tailgates spring to mind) the quality is getting better. The Range
Rover is a very innovative vehicle, as is the about-to-arrive
Discovery.

They don't make 'em like the Series any more, but frankly it's just
about impossible to do that under the current regulations. Remember
that if the Defender was a new design it would fail crash tests, and
has been impossible to export to the States for quite some time.

Ford have done a reasonable job of managing their Premier Auto Group -
Aston Martin have the best models in years, Jaguar are producing good
quality and my Volvo is a very well designed bit of kit.

Contrast that with GM, who forced Saab to sell Vectras and are now
making them sell a very roughly dressed up Subaru. BMW hadn't a clue
what to do with Rover / Land Rover and kept the bits they wanted (i.e.
the components of the X5 and the Mini) and ditched the rest to the
highest bidder.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On or around Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:32:49 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:32:04 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Gorra be ****e as Land Rover no longer exists as a distinctive marque Ford
>>can go FTS
>
>What rubbish! Land Rover are making some of the most recognisable and
>distinctive vehicles on the road today. After many years of rolling
>out poor quality vehicles (too many long running design faults to
>list, but R380 gearboxes, Defender rear doors, Range Rover rotting
>tailgates spring to mind) the quality is getting better. The Range
>Rover is a very innovative vehicle, as is the about-to-arrive
>Discovery.
>
>They don't make 'em like the Series any more, but frankly it's just
>about impossible to do that under the current regulations. Remember
>that if the Defender was a new design it would fail crash tests, and
>has been impossible to export to the States for quite some time.
>
>Ford have done a reasonable job of managing their Premier Auto Group -
>Aston Martin have the best models in years, Jaguar are producing good
>quality and my Volvo is a very well designed bit of kit.
>
>Contrast that with GM, who forced Saab to sell Vectras and are now
>making them sell a very roughly dressed up Subaru. BMW hadn't a clue
>what to do with Rover / Land Rover and kept the bits they wanted (i.e.
>the components of the X5 and the Mini) and ditched the rest to the
>highest bidder.

I'm inclined to agree. Whether the regulations etc. are a good thing, is
another question.

and Ford have a lot of expertise in the small-commercial market, both in the
USA and here, which could well make for a better defender-replacement than
BMW would have come up with in a thousand years... as for LR, if it hadn't
been bought out and had rather a lot of cash injection among other perhaps
less palatable measures, it'd probably have folded by now, as it'd not have
kept up with the necessary innovation. Although, AFAIK, the TD5, which
seems reasonably successful, is I believe a LR design pre-BMW.
 

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gorra be ****e as Land Rover no longer exists as a distinctive marque Ford
> can go FTS
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
> "Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Seems the Llama may in some form make a return.
> >
> > Course, it won't be a Llama, more a 4WD Transit van I guess.
> >
> > Doesn't look like it'll be made at Solihull either.
> >
> > Seems hardly worth putting a Green Oval on it :-(
> >
>
>
At least if the original posting is correct then we will get to have the
Llama built - which is more than the LR of old could do!
Why put a petrol engined vehicle in for military appraisal when one of the
class criteria insisted it should be diesel?? Would Ford have been so stuck
for an engine that worked that they would have had to have done that!
British military planners worked miracles in the Seconf World War, but it
was made easier for them knowing there was an American wallet begind them!

David
LLAMA 4x4 ( nothing to do with the prototypr!!! )
www.llama4x4.co.uk



 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:32:49 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Ford have done a reasonable job of managing their Premier Auto Group -
>Aston Martin have the best models in years, Jaguar are producing good
>quality and my Volvo is a very well designed bit of kit.

It's about time they gave the Presentation Suite at Lode Lane a
makeover, though. My suggestion last year that they get one of dem TV
'Changing Rooms" type progs in to do something interesting was met
with a, well, less than enthusiastic response ;-)

Aston Martin and Jaguar have been totally reinvented and (in general)
now benefit from a happy and motivated workforce. This will flow
through to Land Rover (the process has started), however there is a
far different culture within Lode Lane which really has to change for
this to be a success.

Once this is sorted all they need to do is totally change their entire
dealer franchise agreement to introduce some quality and customer care
standards - but of course, that'll never happen...

 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:07:16 +0100, "David_LLAMA4x4"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> At least if the original posting is correct then we will get to have the
>Llama built - which is more than the LR of old could do!

It's a 'light goods', and sadly doesn't look anything like the Llama
(well, the artist impression doesn't, anyway). Neither does it look
like a Defender, actually, it looks more like a (cough) Merc IMO.

 
On or around Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:08 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:07:16 +0100, "David_LLAMA4x4"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At least if the original posting is correct then we will get to have the
>>Llama built - which is more than the LR of old could do!
>
>It's a 'light goods', and sadly doesn't look anything like the Llama
>(well, the artist impression doesn't, anyway). Neither does it look
>like a Defender, actually, it looks more like a (cough) Merc IMO.

anyone got urls for pictures or anything?
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:02:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>anyone got urls for pictures or anything?

Erm, no. I was under the impression that an announcement was to be
made. I now believe this may have been a premature assessment of the
situation as I saw it... erm...

 
>
>They don't make 'em like the Series any more, but frankly it's just
>about impossible to do that under the current regulations. Remember
>that if the Defender was a new design it would fail crash tests, and
>has been impossible to export to the States for quite some time.
>

Really? Santana seem to be doing a good job with thier PS-10, which
owes more to the Series than the Defender, whilst being a darn sight
better and cheaper than the Defender.

Alex
 
On or around Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:01:38 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>
>>They don't make 'em like the Series any more, but frankly it's just
>>about impossible to do that under the current regulations. Remember
>>that if the Defender was a new design it would fail crash tests, and
>>has been impossible to export to the States for quite some time.
>>
>
>Really? Santana seem to be doing a good job with thier PS-10, which
>owes more to the Series than the Defender, whilst being a darn sight
>better and cheaper than the Defender.

are they actually selling that in the states, though?

in fact, it's more like a defender with leaf springs, and the leaf springs,
being parabollocks, are nothing like the old LR kind.

but yes, the whole vehicle does look very impressive. I reckon they need to
offer the more-powerful version of the Iveco 2.8 though, specially with the
TD5 to compete with. It should be pretty easy to do. The body, on the
whole, is better than the defender, and has a couple of serious
improvements: remove the seatbox, and wider rear load floor with similarly
wider rear door. If I were in the market for a new 110 CSW, it'd probably
be a santana.

 
>>
>>Really? Santana seem to be doing a good job with thier PS-10, which
>>owes more to the Series than the Defender, whilst being a darn sight
>>better and cheaper than the Defender.
>
>are they actually selling that in the states, though?
>
>in fact, it's more like a defender with leaf springs, and the leaf springs,
>being parabollocks, are nothing like the old LR kind.
>
>but yes, the whole vehicle does look very impressive. I reckon they need to
>offer the more-powerful version of the Iveco 2.8 though, specially with the
>TD5 to compete with. It should be pretty easy to do. The body, on the
>whole, is better than the defender, and has a couple of serious
>improvements: remove the seatbox, and wider rear load floor with similarly
>wider rear door. If I were in the market for a new 110 CSW, it'd probably
>be a santana.

I must admit I'm with you on that. It does have several benifits over
the defender, the body design is certainly much more thoughtfull than
Landrover's adherance to the old series shell. I often think that
Landrover stopped development on the vehicle when they designed the
90/110, they simply shoved Series bodywork onto a modified RangeRover
chassis, and it's stayed there ever since. Whereas Santana decided to
look at things to see where they could be improved above the Series. I
often wonder if the Leyland years resulted in the Defender becoming
stagnated, where Santana were free to muck about and improve the
design somewhat. It's the same with the springs. Santana couldn't use
coil springs (otherwise LR would be jumping up and down, and slapping
infringements on them) so they looked at better leaf springs. The
gearbox is still descended from the Series, with selectable 4WD, and
why not? It's an off-road vehicle, why do you need permanat 4WD
anyway? Perhaps the engine could do with pepping up, but I don't see
that it would be underpowered.

On the whole, it seems to be a better thought out vehicle to the
Defender, and has the added advantage of being cheaper. I just wish
they did a RHD SWB version.

Alex
 
On or around Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:21:28 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Santana couldn't use
>coil springs (otherwise LR would be jumping up and down, and slapping
>infringements on them) so they looked at better leaf springs.

actually, as I understand it, when Lode Lane went to coils, it wasn't gonna
be worth converting the santana factory, due to smaller numbers. Instead of
the 90/110 they went to what you might call a Series IIIA, which had the
parabolic springs, and some other improvements.

> The
>gearbox is still descended from the Series, with selectable 4WD, and
>why not? It's an off-road vehicle, why do you need permanat 4WD
>anyway? Perhaps the engine could do with pepping up, but I don't see
>that it would be underpowered.

selectable 4WD can be handy, and might increase economy slightly, provided
you have FWH as well. the point about the engine is that the 146ps one is
available "off-the-shelf", from Iveco - I don't see why they shouldn't offer
it as an option. The 125ps one gives similar performance to a TDi, AIUI,
but the more powerful one would be more fun :)

 
>
>> The
>>gearbox is still descended from the Series, with selectable 4WD, and
>>why not? It's an off-road vehicle, why do you need permanat 4WD
>>anyway? Perhaps the engine could do with pepping up, but I don't see
>>that it would be underpowered.
>
>selectable 4WD can be handy, and might increase economy slightly, provided
>you have FWH as well. the point about the engine is that the 146ps one is
>available "off-the-shelf", from Iveco - I don't see why they shouldn't offer
>it as an option. The 125ps one gives similar performance to a TDi, AIUI,
>but the more powerful one would be more fun :)

It might be down to the driveline? Depends how heavliy it is based on
the Series.

Alex
 
On or around Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:30:34 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>
>>> The
>>>gearbox is still descended from the Series, with selectable 4WD, and
>>>why not? It's an off-road vehicle, why do you need permanat 4WD
>>>anyway? Perhaps the engine could do with pepping up, but I don't see
>>>that it would be underpowered.
>>
>>selectable 4WD can be handy, and might increase economy slightly, provided
>>you have FWH as well. the point about the engine is that the 146ps one is
>>available "off-the-shelf", from Iveco - I don't see why they shouldn't offer
>>it as an option. The 125ps one gives similar performance to a TDi, AIUI,
>>but the more powerful one would be more fun :)
>
>It might be down to the driveline? Depends how heavliy it is based on
>the Series.

they use the LT85 5-speeder, ISTR, which should handle it.
 
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> Wot Stone Garden Wall?
>
> Tim

I've made vailed threats when relandscaping the front it will feature a pile
of Boulders which will make an ideal parking plot.

I'm also looking for two badges one for the front door reading "Reception"
and one for the garage reading "Service" with perhaps a corner labled
"rechassing parking only"

I've clocked a nice Neon type effect Landrover service sign on ebay of which
there are a great many currently being sold. Not convinced yet the seller is
pucker and less inclined to make the purchase being as the seller is
abroad... but it looks a nifty sign to hang on the garage wall.

80)

Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:
> I've made vailed threats when relandscaping the front it will feature a pile
> of Boulders which will make an ideal parking plot.

That would be very cool !

>
> I'm also looking for two badges one for the front door reading "Reception"
> and one for the garage reading "Service" with perhaps a corner labled
> "rechassing parking only"

??? What does "rechassing" mean ?

>
> I've clocked a nice Neon type effect Landrover service sign on ebay of which
> there are a great many currently being sold. Not convinced yet the seller is
> pucker and less inclined to make the purchase being as the seller is
> abroad... but it looks a nifty sign to hang on the garage wall.

Have they got any more ?
 
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