Kumquat

Derek wrote:

|| "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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||| On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:54:15 GMT, Derek wrote:
|||
|||| I particularily enjoy to ethnically correct words
|||| Eejit
|||| craic
|||| both defy accurate definition in english but everybody knows more
|||| or less the meaning.
|||
||| And things like ghoti or ghoughpteighbteau.
|||
||| --
||| Cheers
||| [email protected] Dave.
||| pam is missing e-mail
|||
||
|| with salt and vinegar one hopes (I added the G easy typo)
|| made me think its about 40 years since I heard that one.
|| Derek

OK, I know the first one, but what are the "clue words" for the second?

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Austin Shackles wrote:

|| oh yes, Hiraeth is good. ISTR Harry Secombe talking about it in
|| "We'll keep a Welcome..." - and saying that it can't be translated.
|| It's closest to "longing" entomologically (there's a good word!).

Entomology - study of insects
Etymology - study of word origins

And if you meant the latter, I can't see how words from separate groups
within Indo-European (Celtic and Germanic) can be "close", since the two
groups separated in the Bronze Age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

ObLandyRef: I'm "longing" to get my series 2 back on the road.

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:45:25 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>Neil Brownlee wrote:
>
>|| Sausages? SAUSAGES?!?!?!
>||
>|| --
>|| Neil
>
>Garlic? BREAD?
>
><Someone had to.>

trust Di is getting stocked up for October???
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:47:00 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:

> OK, I know the first one, but what are the "clue words" for the second?

Google.

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Derek wrote:
>
> || "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> || news:[email protected]...
> ||| On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:54:15 GMT, Derek wrote:
> |||
> |||| I particularily enjoy to ethnically correct words
> |||| Eejit
> |||| craic
> |||| both defy accurate definition in english but everybody knows more
> |||| or less the meaning.
> |||
> ||| And things like ghoti or ghoughpteighbteau.
> |||
> ||| --
> ||| Cheers
> ||| [email protected] Dave.
> ||| pam is missing e-mail
> |||
> ||
> || with salt and vinegar one hopes (I added the G easy typo)
> || made me think its about 40 years since I heard that one.
> || Derek
>
> OK, I know the first one, but what are the "clue words" for the second?
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
> I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.
I had to look it up but-- gh as in hiccough, the ough as in though, the pt
as in ptomaine, the eigh as in eight, the bt as in debt, and the eau as in
bureau. -- bit overblown compared to ghoti IMO
Derek
yesss my prescious nassttyyyy hobbitsssesssss!

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:08:47 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Just thinking to myself I need to get a new tube of flange sealant... then
>started to ponder on bizzar words the likes of flange, I think one of my
>next favorite words is Kumquat. Any advance on Kumquat?
>
>Clearly recent posts have been far too on topic ;-)
>
>Lee D

crufty

its not a bizzarre or especially interesting word in terms of its
appearance but its an underused adjective IMO and i like it!

"Lee_D" wrote I think one of my
> next favorite words is Kumquat. Any advance on Kumquat?

Persiflage is quite a good one to drop into a conversation, especially if
that conversation is of a persiflaginous nature anyway.



- Tom.

On or around Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:00:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>|| oh yes, Hiraeth is good. ISTR Harry Secombe talking about it in
>|| "We'll keep a Welcome..." - and saying that it can't be translated.
>|| It's closest to "longing" entomologically (there's a good word!).
>
>Entomology - study of insects
>Etymology - study of word origins
>

you're right, I did mean the latter.

>And if you meant the latter, I can't see how words from separate groups
>within Indo-European (Celtic and Germanic) can be "close", since the two
>groups separated in the Bronze Age.

I meant in meaning. "hir" is "long", and hiraeth is probably something
along the lines of "longness" as a direct translation.

OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr.

hiraeth - masculine noun. translates: longing, nostalgia, yearning, great
desire, grief.

hiraethu - verb. translates: to yearn, to want, to deisre, to sorrow.

hireathus - adjective. tramslates: longing, homesick, "full of hiraeth"

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Austin Shackles wrote:

> hiraeth

Bloody good word that - sums up how I feel about Wales


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Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:00:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>>> oh yes, Hiraeth is good. ISTR Harry Secombe talking about it in
>>>> "We'll keep a Welcome..." - and saying that it can't be translated.
>>>> It's closest to "longing" entomologically (there's a good word!).
>>
>> Entomology - study of insects
>> Etymology - study of word origins
>>
>
> you're right, I did mean the latter.
>
>> And if you meant the latter, I can't see how words from separate
>> groups within Indo-European (Celtic and Germanic) can be "close",
>> since the two groups separated in the Bronze Age.
>
> I meant in meaning. "hir" is "long", and hiraeth is probably
> something along the lines of "longness" as a direct translation.
>
> OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr.
>
> hiraeth - masculine noun. translates: longing, nostalgia, yearning,
> great desire, grief.
>
> hiraethu - verb. translates: to yearn, to want, to deisre, to sorrow.
>
> hireathus - adjective. tramslates: longing, homesick, "full of
> hiraeth"


So basically 'full of it'!

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Simon Isaacs wrote:

|| On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:45:25 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> scribbled the following
|| nonsense:
||
||| Neil Brownlee wrote:
|||
||||| Sausages? SAUSAGES?!?!?!
|||||
||||| --
||||| Neil
|||
||| Garlic? BREAD?
|||
||| <Someone had to.>
||
|| trust Di is getting stocked up for October???

Yeah, we're bringing a trailer with all the unused ones from Graham's do.
Reheat them, should be lovely.

I think we overdid it a wee bit last time, but yes, I would think so.

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Derek wrote:

|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
|| message news:[email protected]...
||| Derek wrote:
|||
||||| "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
||||| news:[email protected]...
|||||| On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:54:15 GMT, Derek wrote:
||||||
||||||| I particularily enjoy to ethnically correct words
||||||| Eejit
||||||| craic
||||||| both defy accurate definition in english but everybody knows
||||||| more or less the meaning.
||||||
|||||| And things like ghoti or ghoughpteighbteau.
||||||
|||||| --
|||||| Cheers
|||||| [email protected] Dave.
|||||| pam is missing e-mail
||||||
|||||
||||| with salt and vinegar one hopes (I added the G easy typo)
||||| made me think its about 40 years since I heard that one.
||||| Derek
|||
||| OK, I know the first one, but what are the "clue words" for the
||| second?
|||
||| --
||| Rich
||| ==============================
|||
||| I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.
|| I had to look it up but-- gh as in hiccough, the ough as in though,
|| the pt as in ptomaine, the eigh as in eight, the bt as in debt, and
|| the eau as in bureau. -- bit overblown compared to ghoti IMO
|| Derek
|| yesss my prescious nassttyyyy hobbitsssesssss!

s - p - u - d?

Nah

(thanks)

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==============================

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Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:00:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Austin Shackles wrote:
|||
||||| oh yes, Hiraeth is good. ISTR Harry Secombe talking about it in
||||| "We'll keep a Welcome..." - and saying that it can't be
||||| translated. It's closest to "longing" entomologically (there's a
||||| good word!).
|||
||| Entomology - study of insects
||| Etymology - study of word origins
|||
||
|| you're right, I did mean the latter.
||
||| And if you meant the latter, I can't see how words from separate
||| groups within Indo-European (Celtic and Germanic) can be "close",
||| since the two groups separated in the Bronze Age.
||
|| I meant in meaning. "hir" is "long", and hiraeth is probably
|| something along the lines of "longness" as a direct translation.

You may be right. The two meanings of "long" in English (lengthy and
yearning) come from the same root, so why not?

|| OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr.
||
|| hiraeth - masculine noun. translates: longing, nostalgia,
|| yearning, great desire, grief.

Yep, spot on. I wonder if there's an equivalent in Yorksher speik, cos I
sometimes feel it.

|| hiraethu - verb. translates: to yearn, to want, to deisre, to
|| sorrow.
||
|| hireathus - adjective. tramslates: longing, homesick, "full of
|| hiraeth"

I could only lay hands on a copy of Y Geiriadur Newydd - modern rubbish, I
reckon.

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On or around Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:52:51 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>|| OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr.
>
>I could only lay hands on a copy of Y Geiriadur Newydd - modern rubbish, I
>reckon.

I dunno. one of the things I like about the Geiriadur mawr is that it's not
only a translation dictionary but the welsh half is a genuine dictionary of
meanings, in welsh - it gives the meaning, then the translation.

You can still get Y Geiriadur Mawr, I think.
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