Jim Clark Rally accidents

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It's not for nothing that the organisers erect notices stating 'motor sport is dangerous' etc
Sometimes you see spectators standing so close to the action you wonder how long it will be before there is an incident. Shouldn't pass judgement without knowing the facts I suppose.
 
Sad news - I was on my way back from marshalling an event when i heard. My thoughts are with all those affected.
 
I have always wondered how the spectators are allowed to be where they are in any rally event , theres thousands of videos where cars go into the crowd on youtube, it seems theres so much safety regs on the cars and drivers but none on the spectators , hopefully they may do something about it now
 
The only answers are to ban spectators completely (as they are on many stage rallies) or corral spectators into safe viewing areas - which most rally fans don't want and wouldn't be prepared to pay the costs of.
 
It's tough

We did the nationals team recovery and it's a spectators sport roped off areas much easier to control in a small area compared to the miles of rally stage
 
personally I think the stage should be classed as a closed area and not a public place , any trespass should be arrestable , safe viewing areas are the way forward even if its just on high banks rather than on the level
 
that's the problem but SOMETHING has to be done , as somebody said this is what killed off group B rallying , if this sort of thing keeps happning rallying will die anyway because of safety issues
 
I'm not up on regulations regarding spectators as I should be with rallying I just know from experience trying to keep small sections clear of competitors is hard enough let alone miles of sections open to the public. Marshals are not as readily available as they once used to be!

We all know something as silly as a broken ball joint could spell disaster for spectators/marshals/competitors .
 
You can't regulate against stupid people or ban sports because competitors get killed or injured. Look at horses and cross country eventing more people are killed doing that than rallying.
I was once comping at a S&S do, motoring down a woodland track on clay and wet leaves, came round a corner and there was this bloke, his mrs two kids and a push chair walking down the course with their backs to me. I ended up running into a tree. Point is they weren't club members they had just walked in past all the warnings away from the marshals and onto the course to watch the event.
All we can do is let the MSA investigate and follow the recommendations.
There was a bad do at Claxby recently too, comp safari driver killed of which the MSA is investigating.
 
jai_landrover said:
I'm not up on regulations regarding spectators as I should be with rallying I just know from experience trying to keep small sections clear of competitors is hard enough let alone miles of sections open to the public. Marshals are not as readily available as they once used to be!

We all know something as silly as a broken ball joint could spell disaster for spectators/marshals/competitors .
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that's it though init the future of rallying depends on making it safer for both competitor and spectator , if it carries on things will go badly wrong for the sport
 
owl said:
You can't regulate against stupid people or ban sports because competitors get killed or injured. Look at horses and cross country eventing more people are killed doing that than rallying.
I was once comping at a S&S do, motoring down a woodland track on clay and wet leaves, came round a corner and there was this bloke, his mrs two kids and a push chair walking down the course with their backs to me. I ended up running into a tree. Point is they weren't club members they had just walked in past all the warnings away from the marshals and onto the course to watch the event.
All we can do is let the MSA investigate and follow the recommendations.
There was a bad do at Claxby recently too, comp safari driver killed of which the MSA is investigating.
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Well put the MSA are there for this type of thing. People are like sheep they will always get in the way. Bit off topic but I used to fly model airplanes in competition all over the world in world air scale games and if you lose some sort of control and your attempting to land and it starts getting out of shape anywhere near spectators then you put it in the deck no matter how much or how valuable it is. Saftey first.


Owl I had Andy F, Cross Country MSA liason here this am picking up the JTV tractor after its re wire. Had a super quick chat about some of the proposed regs I would like to see hydraulic bumps allowed in the modified classes!!

With the loss of a few good racers David Simmonite, Ray Kempster and now Barrie to name a few (I never knew Barry but do remember his red Lips on the front of the trials motor). The MSA are on the ball. The sport is probably as safe as ever before. The MSA will have their recommendations im sure we all want to return to our families after a great weekends competing.

Makes me wonder about this new ultra 4 for challenge trucks and the msa. I believe is a get out clause whereby if you are found to have competed in a non MSA sanctioned event your msa insurance is Void which could leave you open to all sorts should you have serious incidents where somebody gets hurt.......
 
I've been to a few stage rallies, Cumbria and Yorkshire

Everybody has cameras and they want "the shot" so they stand where they shouldn't

This one guy was laying in a ditch on the outside of a hairpin, everybody told him but he wouldn't listen until a driver lost it and put a wheel in the ditch a foot from his face

He got covered in mud but survived, a couple of mph faster and he could have been squashed

It was the only incident I ever saw apart from people getting covered in stones

They're popular because they're free but you'll always get the idiots
 
wack61 said:
I've been to a few stage rallies, Cumbria and Yorkshire

Everybody has cameras and they want "the shot" so they stand where they shouldn't

This one guy was laying in a ditch on the outside of a hairpin, everybody told him but he wouldn't listen until a driver lost it and put a wheel in the ditch a foot from his face

He got covered in mud but survived, a couple of mph faster and he could have been squashed

It was the only incident I ever saw apart from people getting covered in stones

They're popular because they're free but you'll always get the idiots
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jeez that's natural selection at work by the sounds of it !
I don't know how he can put himself there knowing that its the worst possible place
 
Some people just have no brains standing on the out sides of bends etc, saw on TV a bloke with a camera standing slightly into the road looking through his camera when he got taken out by a car, thick people
 
We're off to watch a section of the Dukeries rally next weekend, be interesting to see if there are any immediate ramifications from this.
 
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