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Steve Taylor

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With the recent talk here about modifications and insurance, I wondered
if there is any authority which can pronounce that the mods you have
done are "street legal" ?

By the time I have rebuilt the 101 Ambi with power steering, air bags
and a new engine, the insurers might get sniffy unless its all formally
inspected.

Who would do it ?

Steve
 
On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:39:21 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>With the recent talk here about modifications and insurance, I wondered
>if there is any authority which can pronounce that the mods you have
>done are "street legal" ?
>
>By the time I have rebuilt the 101 Ambi with power steering, air bags
>and a new engine, the insurers might get sniffy unless its all formally
>inspected.
>
>Who would do it ?


a qualified automotive engineer. Sometimes MOT stations will do these
inspections as well. You'd need an inspection report for the PAS and the
engine in any case.

Airbags? WTF for?

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> Airbags? WTF for?
>

Suspension levelling.

Steve
 
"steve Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> Airbags? WTF for?
>>

> Suspension levelling.
>
> Steve


Thats radically altered my vision... of course if it had been Martyn......

Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:

>>Suspension levelling.
>>
>>Steve

>
>
> Thats radically altered my vision... of course if it had been Martyn......


<cue music>
Up, up and away in my bloody big purple balloon....

Steve
 
On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Austin Shackles" wrote:

> On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:39:21 +0100, Steve Taylor
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >With the recent talk here about modifications and insurance, I wondered
> >if there is any authority which can pronounce that the mods you have
> >done are "street legal" ?
> >
> >By the time I have rebuilt the 101 Ambi with power steering, air bags
> >and a new engine, the insurers might get sniffy unless its all formally
> >inspected.
> >
> >Who would do it ?

>
> a qualified automotive engineer. Sometimes MOT stations will do these
> inspections as well. You'd need an inspection report for the PAS and the
> engine in any case.
>
> Airbags? WTF for?


Flotation?

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 
Before i became qualified - i used the local MOT station, back then they
just charged me for 2 MOT's.

Gary


Steve Taylor wrote:

> With the recent talk here about modifications and insurance, I wondered
> if there is any authority which can pronounce that the mods you have
> done are "street legal" ?
>
> By the time I have rebuilt the 101 Ambi with power steering, air bags
> and a new engine, the insurers might get sniffy unless its all formally
> inspected.
>
> Who would do it ?
>
> Steve


 
On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:49:02 +0100, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> Airbags? WTF for?
>>

>Suspension levelling.


ah. I thought you were putting them in the cab.

in either case, they'll need inspecting an' all.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:49:02 +0100, steve Taylor
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Airbags? WTF for?
>>>

>>
>>Suspension levelling.

>
>
> ah. I thought you were putting them in the cab.
>


Worrabout using bags instead of a leaf on the suspension, to make it
more compliant off road ?

Steve
 
On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:48:39 +0100, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:49:02 +0100, steve Taylor
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Airbags? WTF for?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Suspension levelling.

>>
>>
>> ah. I thought you were putting them in the cab.
>>

>
>Worrabout using bags instead of a leaf on the suspension, to make it
>more compliant off road ?


why not just go the whole hog, and have full air suspension? If you're
going to the trouble of installing an air system anyway...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>>
>>Worrabout using bags instead of a leaf on the suspension, to make it
>>more compliant off road ?

>
>
> why not just go the whole hog, and have full air suspension? If you're
> going to the trouble of installing an air system anyway...
>


Do-able ???? More practical than the straight 8 Tdi Austin. I figured
the single leaf would still provide the guidance for the axles, but the
bags the load bearing.

Steve
 
Indeed there are such systems available for camper conversions, but if you
want to be truly off the wall go for a hydraulic system and have a dancing
landie :)


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:48:39 +0100, steve Taylor
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>

> why not just go the whole hog, and have full air suspension? If you're
> going to the trouble of installing an air system anyway...
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
> Boswell's "Johnson".



 
On or around Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:50:31 +0100, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Worrabout using bags instead of a leaf on the suspension, to make it
>>>more compliant off road ?

>>
>>
>> why not just go the whole hog, and have full air suspension? If you're
>> going to the trouble of installing an air system anyway...
>>

>
>Do-able ???? More practical than the straight 8 Tdi Austin. I figured
>the single leaf would still provide the guidance for the axles, but the
>bags the load bearing.


The air suspension on the back of the LDV chassis is done with what looks
like a single leaf cut off behind the axle, and the airbag between that and
the chassis. The single leaf thus becomes a trailing link, referred to in
the documentation as a "flexi link" (!). It also has a panhard rod fitted.

It also uses an electric compressor, air tank and a simple ECU for height
adjustment.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> The air suspension on the back of the LDV chassis is done with what looks
> like a single leaf cut off behind the axle, and the airbag between that and
> the chassis. The single leaf thus becomes a trailing link, referred to in
> the documentation as a "flexi link" (!). It also has a panhard rod fitted.
>
> It also uses an electric compressor, air tank and a simple ECU for height
> adjustment.
>


I wonder how it is for lateral stability ? I think something needs
triangulating.

Steve
 
In news:[email protected],
Steve Taylor <[email protected]> blithered:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>>
>> The air suspension on the back of the LDV chassis is done with what
>> looks like a single leaf cut off behind the axle, and the airbag
>> between that and the chassis. The single leaf thus becomes a
>> trailing link, referred to in the documentation as a "flexi link"
>> (!). It also has a panhard rod fitted. It also uses an electric compressor,
>> air tank and a simple ECU for
>> height adjustment.
>>

>
> I wonder how it is for lateral stability ? I think something needs
> triangulating.
>
> Steve


Would the Panhard rod not do that?

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
On or around Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:29:25 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>>
>> The air suspension on the back of the LDV chassis is done with what looks
>> like a single leaf cut off behind the axle, and the airbag between that and
>> the chassis. The single leaf thus becomes a trailing link, referred to in
>> the documentation as a "flexi link" (!). It also has a panhard rod fitted.
>>
>> It also uses an electric compressor, air tank and a simple ECU for height
>> adjustment.
>>

>
>I wonder how it is for lateral stability ? I think something needs
>triangulating.


that's what the panhard rod is for. Effectively, it's like a
90/110/RR/disco front end, only facing the other way. The "flexi links"
provide for fore-an-aft location and articulation and the air springs
provide for springing and the panhard rod provides for lateral location.

Looks pretty simple, actually. The only thing about a panhard rod is that
it's inferior to the A-frame on the back of the RR etc. where larger
articulation is required. Ideally, you'd want long trailing arms which have
2 mountings to the chassis, one at the edge and one in the middle of the
vehicle, I reckon.

That would require more work than the panhard rod, though. The one on the
LDV is fairly obviosuly a factory-fit conversion of the normal leaf spring
system - the first one I actually saw was on a chassis-cab, and at the time
I thought it was indeed a conversion - twas only later that I discovered
that it was a factory option.

Might look into this for the minibus. It'd ride better, I bet. Might be
simpler and cheaper to fit lighter springs, though, if they're available.


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
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