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Wet as 'eck today!
W off to get a tooth capped, sewing club and shopping for the stuff she forgotted or isn't getting delivered. The sprouts apparently have to be "just so".:rolleyes:
Meanwhile I am staying in for two deliveries and fiddling around with fiddly bits of skirting board.

Went to oldest dottir's place for a sort of pre christmas tea and present swop, last night.
She showed me round the building site that is their house, (they are currently living in the annex). The ceilings originally were too low eve for people of my height, (5'9"). They are altering an extension and building new bits on as they aren't covered by the listing.

Discovered for the first time that the listed cottage was originally a barn, back in the 1600s. Which partly explains why it is such a money pit! Nowt like a 200 yr old "barn conversion". They have discovered that one of the internal (listed) walls which looks like it may have been wattle and daub cos it has wooden uprights, well the bottom 3 or 4 " of wood has just rotten away. (The water table is almost just mms under the floor) So they are going to have to knock it down, rebuild it the same and then, as it is useless to them, drywall it or summat. Previously they had to knock down and rebuild one of the end external walls. Of course there are no foundations.

I tried to take pics on my phone of this and the wall where there is/was the old copper boiler, the bread oven and the fireplace which used to be open, now a stove obvs. But I'm not much cop with it, or it isn't much cop!

She always has had eyes bigger than chequebook.:rolleyes: At least the house cost her nothing as part of the divorce settlement.
Couldn't imagine doing this.:(:(
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Wet as 'eck today!
W off to get a tooth capped, sewing club and shopping for the stuff she forgotted or isn't getting delivered. The sprouts apparently have to be "just so".:rolleyes:
Meanwhile I am staying in for two deliveries and fiddling around with fiddly bits of skirting board.

Went to oldest dottir's place for a sort of pre christmas tea and present swop, last night.
She showed me round the building site that is their house, (they are currently living in the annex). The ceilings originally were too low eve for people of my height, (5'9"). They are altering an extension and building new bits on as they aren't covered by the listing.

Discovered for the first time that the listed cottage was originally a barn, back in the 1600s. Which partly explains why it is such a money pit! Nowt like a 200 yr old "barn conversion". They have discovered that one of the internal (listed) walls which looks like it may have been wattle and daub cos it has wooden uprights, well the bottom 3 or 4 " of wood has just rotten away. (The water table is almost just mms under the floor) So they are going to have to knock it down, rebuild it the same and then, as it is useless to them, drywall it or summat. Previously they had to knock down and rebuild one of the end external walls. Of course there are no foundations.

I tried to take pics on my phone of this and the wall where there is/was the old copper boiler, the bread oven and the fireplace which used to be open, now a stove obvs. But I'm not much cop with it, or it isn't much cop!

She always has had eyes bigger than chequebook.:rolleyes: At least the house cost her nothing as part of the divorce settlement.
Couldn't imagine doing this.:(:(
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Sounds like a right head ache, id be acrow propping it up & cementing a stone support under the beam with dpc
box it in never to be seen again lol
 
Busy wee day in the pizzin rain, a floating caravan which had smacked the sea bed & ending up on the shore is going away
on a road trip via a lorry. It was wedged in so I had a bit of a mare getting the tractor & boat hoist in to it couple of inches gap
from another boat, two manitou's each side to support it from tilting sideways into it. Then the other boat owner went to
the office to say the hoist was too close to his boat & didnt want it damaged. :rolleyes: All good in the end. :D
 
kevstar said:
Sounds like a right head ache, id be acrow propping it up & cementing a stone support under the beam with dpc
box it in never to be seen again lol
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Obvs with listed stuff you have to be careful. I have no idea how often anyone inspects anything. One of the really daft things is that they have front windows which are metal, smallish panes almost Crittall except they were individually made to fit the window spaces and THESE flipping things are now listed!!!
They have sliding secondary double glazing on the inside. So really pretty horrible. So they are going to have to have made double glazing units out of metal that look like the "originals", which are hardly original to a 19th century barn conversion as they were probably made in the 1960s. . Don't think it got listed until the 1980s or 90s.
The problem with the wooden uprights is that the bottoms have turned to powder and they don't know how far up the rot has gone. They aren't just two uprights at the ends of the walls, they are spaced across the wall at about 3 to 4 foot intervals. I'll really have to look harder at trying to enhance the rubbish pics I took so you can see what I mean. I don't think they are load bearing, but who knows? Each one is about 3" by 3" so may just be part of the 17th century barn/ bier walls or dividers.
Here is the opposite wall with the space to the left where the big copper had been, the inglenook and the bread oven, which apparently may have been fired from outside, although there ias an obvious hole at the bottom, maybe for ash removal.
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The floor has now been lowered, I am 5'9" and can stand underneath that lowest beam which is at right angles to the fireplace, but if i put my hand flat on my head it touches, well, hets a bit squashed so you can imagine how much lower it was before the work.

This is the wall I am on about. The verticals with the rotten bottoms are clear. Although I was unable to photograph the bottoms of them. (I hardly ever use my phone as a camera.)
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The door shows the height of the floor before.

The place is thatched, :rolleyes: and weirdly the roof has at some point been raised so there is more headroom under the gables etc than there is downstairs.
Some people really are gluttons for punishment. Still the extension etc will be much more practical!
 
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Stanleysteamer said:
Obvs with listed stuff you have to be careful. I have no idea how often anyone inspects anything. One of the really daft things is that they have front windows which are metal, smallish panes almost Crittall except they were individually made to fit the window spaces and THESE flipping things are now listed!!!
They have sliding secondary double glazing on the inside. So really pretty horrible. So they are going to have to have made double glazing units out of metal that look like the "originals", which are hardly original to a 19th century barn conversion as they were probably made in the 1960s. . Don't think it got listed until the 1980s or 90s.
The problem with the wooden uprights is that the bottoms have turned to powder and they don't know how far up the rot has gone. They aren't just two uprights at the ends of the walls, they are spaced across the wall at about 3 to 4 foot intervals. I'll really have to look harder at trying to enhance the rubbish pics I took so you can see what I mean. I don't think they are load bearing, but who knows? Each one is about 3" by 3" so may just be part of the 17th century barn walls or dividers.
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If its open for anyone to see id be doing as original, unseen covered up will never be inspected unless they put planning
permission to change the building. Get some pics so we can see whats going on. Send pics of the windows too. :)
 
kevstar said:
If its open for anyone to see id be doing as original, unseen covered up will never be inspected unless they put planning
permission to change the building. Get some pics so we can see whats going on. Send pics of the windows too. :)
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They have had to have planning permission for the new or modified extension so yep some stuff has been inspected and will probably be so again. The outside wall they had to knock down and then rebuild, due to it basically being on the point of falling down, they rebuilt exactly as original after doing the foundations. I don't think they used the original bricks, they may have, if not they must have got others from a reclaim place. I was looking at all this by the light of the torch on my phone so not terribly easy to see.
I have to admit it is quite interesting but I wouldn't want to live in it!
sorry I didn't take any pics of the windows, never thought anyone would be interested. If I had I'd have done so and also the cunning way in which they raised the roof height, which is obvious from how the external beams on the gable end can be seen, and they muct have done that at least 200 years ago. They didn't build higher walls, to give you a clue! 🤣 🤣
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Obvs with listed stuff you have to be careful. I have no idea how often anyone inspects anything. One of the really daft things is that they have front windows which are metal, smallish panes almost Crittall except they were individually made to fit the window spaces and THESE flipping things are now listed!!!
They have sliding secondary double glazing on the inside. So really pretty horrible. So they are going to have to have made double glazing units out of metal that look like the "originals", which are hardly original to a 19th century barn conversion as they were probably made in the 1960s. . Don't think it got listed until the 1980s or 90s.
The problem with the wooden uprights is that the bottoms have turned to powder and they don't know how far up the rot has gone. They aren't just two uprights at the ends of the walls, they are spaced across the wall at about 3 to 4 foot intervals. I'll really have to look harder at trying to enhance the rubbish pics I took so you can see what I mean. I don't think they are load bearing, but who knows? Each one is about 3" by 3" so may just be part of the 17th century barn/ bier walls or dividers.
Here is the opposite wall with the space to the left where the big copper had been, the inglenook and the bread oven, which apparently may have been fired from outside, although there ias an obvious hole at the bottom, maybe for ash removal.
View attachment 305315

The floor has now been lowered, I am 5'9" and can stand underneath that lowest beam which is at right angles to the fireplace, but if i put my hand flat on my head it touches, well, hets a bit squashed so you can imagine how much lower it was before the work.

This is the wall I am on about. The verticals with the rotten bottoms are clear. Although I was unable to photograph the bottoms of them. (I hardly ever use my phone as a camera.)
View attachment 305316
The door shows the height of the floor before.

The place is thatched, :rolleyes: and weirdly the roof has at some point been raised so there is more headroom under the gables etc than there is downstairs.
Some people really are gluttons for punishment. Still the extension etc will be much more practical!
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Id chop the rot out cement underneath & to the rear, scarf a bit of timber on the outside to make it look like the original.
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Obvs with listed stuff you have to be careful. I have no idea how often anyone inspects anything. One of the really daft things is that they have front windows which are metal, smallish panes almost Crittall except they were individually made to fit the window spaces and THESE flipping things are now listed!!!
They have sliding secondary double glazing on the inside. So really pretty horrible. So they are going to have to have made double glazing units out of metal that look like the "originals", which are hardly original to a 19th century barn conversion as they were probably made in the 1960s. . Don't think it got listed until the 1980s or 90s.
The problem with the wooden uprights is that the bottoms have turned to powder and they don't know how far up the rot has gone. They aren't just two uprights at the ends of the walls, they are spaced across the wall at about 3 to 4 foot intervals. I'll really have to look harder at trying to enhance the rubbish pics I took so you can see what I mean. I don't think they are load bearing, but who knows? Each one is about 3" by 3" so may just be part of the 17th century barn/ bier walls or dividers.
Here is the opposite wall with the space to the left where the big copper had been, the inglenook and the bread oven, which apparently may have been fired from outside, although there ias an obvious hole at the bottom, maybe for ash removal.
View attachment 305315

The floor has now been lowered, I am 5'9" and can stand underneath that lowest beam which is at right angles to the fireplace, but if i put my hand flat on my head it touches, well, hets a bit squashed so you can imagine how much lower it was before the work.

This is the wall I am on about. The verticals with the rotten bottoms are clear. Although I was unable to photograph the bottoms of them. (I hardly ever use my phone as a camera.)
View attachment 305316
The door shows the height of the floor before.

The place is thatched, :rolleyes: and weirdly the roof has at some point been raised so there is more headroom under the gables etc than there is downstairs.
Some people really are gluttons for punishment. Still the extension etc will be much more practical!
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No wonder the dug down the way :oops: id be in there with a mico digger...dive dive dive 🤣 🤣
 
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