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Stanleysteamer said:

Be interesting to know what sort of finish you have on the ceiling. We have Artex as was standard back in 1982! So masking the fact a hole has been made was not so difficult.
But if you take the existing light down and make a connection, then shove it back up into the hole the rest of the cable can be fed elsewhere can't it?! Also a feel around when the fitting is down will prolly give you an idea of how taught the cable is and where it comes from!
Best of luck, looking forward to seeing how you did it!

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Artex here too (I am an adult of the70's after all), and the fancy plaster ceiling-roses will have to go too!
I am sure it will be FUN.

just seen this listing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-defender-90-pick-up/193756303264
missing wheel nut, LOTS of rust, everywhere, interior looks like its been to the moon, MOT history confirms it! 2018 it had 238k miles, current MOT says under 160k miles

kermit_rr said:

just seen this listing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-defender-90-pick-up/193756303264
missing wheel nut, LOTS of rust, everywhere, interior looks like its been to the moon, MOT history confirms it! 2018 it had 238k miles, current MOT says under 160k miles

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There’s nothing there that a bit of news paper and some fibreglass can’t sort

DanClarke said:

Artex here too (I am an adult of the70's after all), and the fancy plaster ceiling-roses will have to go too!
I am sure it will be FUN.

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Ceiling roses in a kitchen? Was this just posh or was it originally another room?
sounds like an awful lot of making good. Watch it with the Artex, lots of it, mainly the older stuff contains asbestos. https://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/essentials/coatings.htm

Never knew this when I took all the Artex off a "feature" chimney breast wall in the sitting room of my 1928 house. Fortunately I did it in such a way as to be unlikely to cause me a problem, and subsequent chest X-rays have shown nowt. but you prolly knew this already.
Still every cloud has a silver lining. If you have to cut holes to remove ceiling roses, it should give you plenty of elbow room to muck about with wiring.
Anyway, here's some pics, to show why I had to move it, and the two holes.

Ome un safe from prediturs

Good evening.
Been over kings Lynn & Norwich today.now on way to Bristol in the morning.
Pleasant hour watching the fast jets out of marham.

Hippo said:

Ome un safe from prediturs

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DON'T look under your bed.

Stanleysteamer said:

Ceiling roses in a kitchen? Was this just posh or was it originally another room?
sounds like an awful lot of making good. Watch it with the Artex, lots of it, mainly the older stuff contains asbestos. https://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/essentials/coatings.htm

Never knew this when I took all the Artex off a "feature" chimney breast wall in the sitting room of my 1928 house. Fortunately I did it in such a way as to be unlikely to cause me a problem, and subsequent chest X-rays have shown nowt. but you prolly knew this already.
Still every cloud has a silver lining. If you have to cut holes to remove ceiling roses, it should give you plenty of elbow room to muck about with wiring.
Anyway, here's some pics, to show why I had to move it, and the two holes.

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Thanks for the pictures.
We are definitely NOT posh. Here are the ceiling roses and the current LED bulbed lights.
I built this extension on the house myself in 1991-2 and I know there is no asbestos product in it at all.
The lighting ring comes into the room from the utility room to the RH light then through all the joists to the LH light and then on left through the joists to the dining room next to the kitchen, then back into the main house through the old external wall and into the ceiling of my study. So, if we remove the lights and chuck the contents of the 2 ceiling roses up into the "void" and Tee the LED lighting off them, all will be good (I think/hope).

kermit_rr said:

MOT history confirms it! 2018 it had 238k miles, current MOT says under 160k miles

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Hope the buyer does his homework and does a thorough identity check. Caveat emptor and all that.

Got me router int bits. Its gottid yella sor dust innit. Eye int cut yella wud fer years. Cant remember when eye last did.

DanClarke said:

DON'T look under your bed.

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There be no wulrus under my bed.

Hippo said:

Got me router int bits. Its gottid yella sor dust innit. Eye int cut yella wud fer years. Cant remember when eye last did.

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Look out fer magick smoke

kermit_rr said:

just seen this listing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-defender-90-pick-up/193756303264
missing wheel nut, LOTS of rust, everywhere, interior looks like its been to the moon, MOT history confirms it! 2018 it had 238k miles, current MOT says under 160k miles

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Could it beer mistake. 238 instead of 138?

kermit_rr said:

Look out fer magick smoke

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It shud still wurk as eye dint let the smoke oat. It just smelt ov burnin. Not shor if me curtain got caught ont air intake. About ter suck dust oat win henry.

Where's @DevonGuy gone?

DanClarke said:

Thanks for the pictures.
We are definitely NOT posh. Here are the ceiling roses and the current LED bulbed lights.
I built this extension on the house myself in 1991-2 and I know there is no asbestos product in it at all.
The lighting ring comes into the room from the utility room to the RH light then through all the joists to the LH light and then on left through the joists to the dining room next to the kitchen, then back into the main house through the old external wall and into the ceiling of my study. So, if we remove the lights and chuck the contents of the 2 ceiling roses up into the "void" and Tee the LED lighting off them, all will be good (I think/hope).
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Phew, no asbestos, big relief.!
Those ceiling roses are serious business. they are twice the diameter of the ones in our lounge and we struggled to find any as big!
Those light fittings are deffo nice for a kitchen.
As you said

DanClarke said:

This may be more awkward as the existing cabling may be like a bowstring with no real slack

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and yet it was you who wired it up in the first place, (!) you must have some idea of how tight it all is!
But as you know where it starts and finishes, you could simply cut the wiring to the existing lights and go back to the beginning and end of what you now have and then start from scratch.
But I don't envy you getting rid of those roses!
Whatever you do, i'm sure it'll be fine. But it'll be as much fun for you as it was for me, to try and replicate the original Artex patterning, when blending it in.

Stanleysteamer said:

Phew, no asbestos, big relief.!
Those ceiling roses are serious business. they are twice the diameter of the ones in our lounge and we struggled to find any as big!
Those light fittings are deffo nice for a kitchen.
As you said


and yet it was you who wired it up in the first place, (!) you must have some idea of how tight it all is!
But as you know where it starts and finishes, you could simply cut the wiring to the existing lights and go back to the beginning and end of what you now have and then start from scratch.
But I don't envy you getting rid of those roses!
Whatever you do, i'm sure it'll be fine. But it'll be as much fun for you as it was for me, to try and replicate the original Artex patterning, when blending it in.

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Or just re-skim it .

Dragonwalker said:

Or just re-skim it .

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The whole ceiling.
No ffing thanks! And it isn't even my ceiling!

Too much like hard work, and I ain't a spread!

Hippo said:

Could it beer mistake. 238 instead of 138?

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No sadly not

It be sad news. Ah put me router tergeffa un it still smells ov burnin when runnin. We fink he wur born int 80's. Some ov is windins is er bit brown ut the ends where they shud be redder like the rest.