How to raise suspension on Disco 2

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markfiat

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Hi, I have a Landy Disco2 with air sorings in the rear. I've heard you can trick the ride height sensors into increasing the ambient ride height, by increasing the length of the connecting rod between the lower susp arm and the plastic arm coming out of the sensor by 9mm - apparently this raises the car by around 50mm, and when you hit the button on the dash to raise the rear, it goes up further again.
1. can this be done
2, is it safe to drive around with the rear 50 mm higher than it was desinged to. (i spose it would sit at the pumped up height, but permanently)
3, when you raise it further (by pressing the button in the dash) it it safe to drive offroad that high, or will the airbag burst! >?
cheers
 
Aren't you asking questions better aimed at those you've 'heard' of this trick from?
 
LOL, found what you're on about .. So you don't like my reply and pm me?

Your first post to the forum is asking questions that can't be answered with any confidence by anyone .. How safe is anything that a non-trained person adjusts 'cos they 'heard' something? How safe is your driving? How safe is your driving off-road? Questions can't be answered because 'it all depends' on so many other factors. It also depends on yuor definition of safe, safe for you, safe for the passengers, safe for the Disco, safe for the terrain?????

I discuss/argue up front, to your face, and I would in real life too, I don't hide behind pm's.
 
Hi, I have a Landy Disco2 with air sorings in the rear. I've heard you can trick the ride height sensors into increasing the ambient ride height, by increasing the length of the connecting rod between the lower susp arm and the plastic arm coming out of the sensor by 9mm - apparently this raises the car by around 50mm, and when you hit the button on the dash to raise the rear, it goes up further again.
1. can this be done
2, is it safe to drive around with the rear 50 mm higher than it was desinged to. (i spose it would sit at the pumped up height, but permanently)
3, when you raise it further (by pressing the button in the dash) it it safe to drive offroad that high, or will the airbag burst! >?
cheers

Yes you can trick the sensors by increasing the length on the connecting rod.

It's not something that I'd like to do. I would have said a safer way would be to insert alluminium spacers and then trick the sensor rather than use the airbags as the lift.

If you wanna take a pop at someone cos you don't like the reply you get then don't ask the question.
 
Why do you want it to ride any higher than the factory thought it should?
If you have ever taken the thing off road and driven the thing beyond the limits of its ability, as specced by the factory, congratulations, you are one of a very small elite...
Most just get stuck becouse they dont know what the limits are, or how to get the best out of the car by driving the thing properly, and using an old bit of craft called 'reading the terrain'....And resort to going for a dramtic mod to thier motor, convinced that having got stuck, and justified 'needing' the extra ground clerance (in the wrong place) that they MUST be some kind of off-road driving demon, and when the car wobbles around all over the place on the road, or starts mashing stuff from things not lining up properly, the damage is due to them 'pushing the envelope' with thier demanding dirt dexterity......
If you know what you are doing, I'd say go for it....
 
Thanks Teflon.
Yes, I do take my disco offroad (In New Zealand BTW) and find that I frequently bottom out, requiring winching, digging, etc etc whereas typical offroaders which have been lifted (Hilux, Patrol, Suzukis etc) seem to manage better due to ground clearance. I believe a 50MM lift to the suspension via airbags in the rear and longer springs in the front would greatly enhance offroad capability.
"Reading the terrain" is certainly all part of driving offroad, but more ground clearance means I can go further, and keep up with guys who've spent thousands on their vehicles, for only a few hundred $.
I'm not into "dramatic" mods - if Discos can drive around in normal road conditions (this car is also a shopping trolley, family wagon) at the raised height (airbags slightly pumped up permanently) WITHOUT the problems you mentioned then it's a no-brainer.
I assumed that someone would have attempted this with a disco 2 and could provide feedback accordingly.
cheers
 
Thanks Ratty...sorry not sure I follow - ru suggesting I place aluminum spacers between the chassis & body?
You also said: "and then trick the sensor rather than use the airbags as the lift"
But, isn't tricking the sensor using the airbag to lift anyway?? sorry, do you mind clarifying - since you seem to have a good following I assume you know what you're talking about...
ps, to your last comment - people making negative comments to a genuine query to me seems utterly pointless, i'm asking if anyone HAS attempted the same, or at least knows whether it's possible in theory, I'm not asking if someone DOESN'T know about this topic... its like going to a concert of someone you don't like just to boo the performer! Dont bother, spend your time being constructive! Just a thought.
 
A suspension lift won't give you much, if any, more useful ground clearance on it's own, but what it will do is give more tyre clearance so you can fit larger diameter tyres which will then give more ground clearance.

But when you fit larger tyres you might need to cut parts of the bodywork, adjust steering lockstops to suit and generally fettle with 'things' to make it all work as a cohesive unit ... and it's no guarantee that even a 2" lift won't add big problems with the drive-train, diffs, UJ's, steering etc.

There's lots and lots of info on this forum regarding lifting suspension, tyres and bodywork if you can be bothered to look, mostly related to Defenders and Disco 1's ... but in general terms it's all applicable, it's just model details and specifics that will be different ... perhaps you can be a trail-blazer and post details back of whatever you're doing and how it might help others?

I don't know D2's, but what Ratty said seems to me to suggest not making the airbags extend further than they should, but use spacers for the lift and the airbags will then sit 2" higher, but only extend their normal length ... so the sensors might need to moved, using some kind of fabrication perhaps, thus 'tricking' them into thinking they're standard and raising the bags just a standard amount. Course, i could be wrong, it's not unknown .. ;)
 
Mark, I'm not booing the band, You have asked the same question a hundred others have; 'I want XYZ but I dont want 'hassle' and I want it on the cheap', and unfortnately, there ent no thing as a free lunch. And I DO know what I'm talking about, I'm afraid.

Doesn't matter whether you have leaf-springs, coils or deuche bags between your chassis and axle, same problems occur. Stretch air-bags to get a lift, bung in longer coils, or stick on bits of scaffold pole to push them further apart, same things happen.

First; moving chassis further away from floor raised the centre of gravity.
On what is such a tall vehicle to begin with, 2" on best part of six foot, might not seem significant, EXCEPT, Landies carry thier weight low, but its nearly all above the axle centres, so the actual 'shift' in centre is more marked than % lift would suggest. Worse on a Disco, as unfortunately that model is already one of the more top heavy, AND has a high 'roll-centre' due to the higher roof-line and unitary construction steel shell on top of the chassis, it has a 'dumbell' moment of inertia, with so much weight in the roof, so lifting it 2" gives you a double whammy on the stability front.

NEXT: moving axles away from chassis, rotates the axles in relation to the chassis; the diffs no longer point at the gearbox, and the steering axis no longer has the same castor angle.
With the prop angles changes, tendancy is for the UJ's to wear excessively, through transmitting drive through too acute an angle; not being CV joints, the mismatch in flange angles creates drive line vibration, that again, prematurely wears UJ's, and THAT is if they dont actually start to 'bind' as increased travel sees them forced to flex to an angle beyond thier limit.

Meanwhile; at the front, leading 'link' radius arm arrangement, has twisted the axle forewards, making the steering angle a lot steeper. This makes the steering very 'nervouse' and less inclined to 'self centre'.
On a 2" lift, the amount of 'rake' removed from the steering axis is close to reducing the castor to zero, near the new nominal ride height, and loading or suspension movement can see the castor angle go negative, the steering axis falling behind the tyres contact patch, and behaving like a wobbly supermarket trolly.

Carrying on........
Landrovers have 'long travel suspension', they also have old fasioned recirculating ball and drag-link steering, to waggle the wheels over that range of suspension travel; and in consequence suffer a phenomin known as 'bump-steer' and 'roll-steer' where, as the distance betwen axle and chassis changes, or as the angle of the axle in relation to the chassis changes, so the geometry and effective angle and length of the drag link changes, causing 'undesireable steering effect'
In short, as the thing 'rolls' into a corner, the body rolls trys changing the angle the front wheels are pointing.... when you strike a bump, changes the angle the wheels are pointing.

Lift your landy, and you change the steering geometry, and may need to get the steering re-tracked and re-centred at the new nominal ride height, but THEN, over the wider range of travel, the thing will 'wobble' more from the greater movement between axle and chassis, and it will be particularly acute during cornering, where the raised centre of gravity, and the even more greately increased roll centre compound to give greater body roll, hence greater roll steer, over the greater amount of suspension travel you have given it.......

Do I need to continue?

Like I said, if you know what you are doing, go for it. But HOWEVER you lift a landy, the 'consequential' problems are numerouse, and yes, many 'live' with them...... but as you have explained your Disco is an all-round Family Waggon, I'd NOT be too keen to turn it into an 'extreme' off-roader whose on-road dynamics are such it handles like a blemange, and was likely to do an SJ 'flip' in an emergency brake steer situation....

If you WANT to do, it, then I'm afraid its NOT something to be done on the 'cheap'. First off, longer air-bags, with the extra travel you want, AND a diameter that means they give that extra travel without higher pressure making them harder, so you dont 'get' that extra travel; Then, longer dampers and revised damper mounts to accomodate the extra travel without them topping out, bottoming out or fouling; Then, camber corrected radius arms to bring the steering geomtery back into line, and 'extreme angle, double cordon prop-shafts, to stop them shaking themselves to bits in too much of a hurry, or binding; And with that lot sorted, you can play with the ride height sensors; BUT you'll still have something that is 2" higher and handles like a blemange, and getting the ride height back down, for road use, will mean lower pressure in the sacs, so squdgier suspension, and more roll when you drop it... but not as much and not over quite so much suspsension movement.... oh, and the steering wheel will possibly be a bit off centre when you drop it....

And back to the original suggestion; what 'gain' do you expect for it all? Even if you do it the expensive way? Bellying out, and extra 2" is NOT going to make that much difference, and if you are resorting to winching, well, it will probably just mean that you get 2" further into trouble before you have to crack out the waffles and leader line.

Back to reading the terrain and NOT trying to take your vehicle places it WONT go. If you want to drive into those places, and follow expensively kitted Toyotas, leave the Dizzy at home, and get an expensively kitted Toyota..... or try a Defender.

Modified vehicles are rarely 'better' than the standard model; the mod simply increases 'capability' on one area of its perforance in sacrifice for another; and more often than not, ameteur mods often lose more than they gain, and cost a lot to get it.... like I said, theres no such thing as a free lunch, and rarely an 'easy' fix.
 
Bloody 'ell Teflon, not only have you taken to writing a lot lately, but you seem to be writing good sense and deflating a few myths in the process.
Keep it up.
 
Good post Teflon. ;)

Nice to have an unambiguous editorial rather than relying, good as they are, different peoples different experiences and opinions.
 
so you want a 2" lift to stop you from bottoming out? a suspension lift wont achieve that - your axles and diffs are the lowest points and raising the suspension does NOT raise the axles or diffs.

great post from Teflon tho
 
Thanks Ratty...sorry not sure I follow - ru suggesting I place aluminum spacers between the chassis & body?
You also said: "and then trick the sensor rather than use the airbags as the lift"
But, isn't tricking the sensor using the airbag to lift anyway?? sorry, do you mind clarifying - since you seem to have a good following I assume you know what you're talking about....

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I've been working my nuts off for the last week so haven't really been around.

Paul D is correct in his assumption of what I am saying.
I don't know D2's, but what Ratty said seems to me to suggest not making the airbags extend further than they should, but use spacers for the lift and the airbags will then sit 2" higher, but only extend their normal length ... so the sensors might need to moved, using some kind of fabrication perhaps, thus 'tricking' them into thinking they're standard and raising the bags just a standard amount. Course, i could be wrong, it's not unknown .. ;)

Use aluminium spacers as the actual lift. This will then give you the same movement from your airbags as it would as standard but will also give you the extra ride height that you desire. By doing this you won't overstretch your airbags.

depending on wether you stick the spacers under or over the airbags is wether you will need to adjust the sensors.

To adjust the sensors all you need to do is lengthen/shorten the rod/arm.
 
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