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I was wondering with the way the government and climate change people, keep hammering the motorist with bans, levies, and pollution charges, i.e Inner London charges on diesels etc. how long you think it will be, before they drive all the non conforming engines off the road.
 
Whitehall pledges its support for classics
07 Dec 2011
From Classic & Sports Car


The Government has guaranteed no restrictions will be introduced on the usage of classic cars in the UK.

The pledge came from Mike Penning, MP for Hemel Hempstead and Parliamentary Under Secretary for State for Transport, during the launch of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs latest report into the size and make-up of the classic car hobby at the Houses of Parliament last night.

Penning, who took part in this year's London to Brighton Veteran Car Run aboard the 1902 Mercedes Simplex driven by Nigel Mansell, said: "We have no plans whatsoever to restrict the use of classic and vintage vehicles, not as long as I am in my position."

He added that, on the contrary, the classic car hobby should be protected and encouraged to grow even further: "For me, they are part of our heritage, and so long as I am in charge I will protect that heritage. I want to protect and encourage the use of these cars on our roads. We want to see more and more of them [classic cars], We should be proud of them and should be proud of our heritage."

Penning said that because of Brussels it was a constant battle to protect and preserve the hobby: "If we were in charge of our own destiny, it would not be an issue, but Europe has a slightly different view, and we must take steps with them first before addressing the issues that arise from that."

Greg Knight MP, chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, also vowed to continue to fight the "pen-pushers" and "petty bureaucrats" who might try to impose legislation on classic cars and classic car usage.

Knight added that Prime Minister David Cameron is a former member of the APPHVG and that his Parliamentary Private Secretary Desmond Swayne still is.

He assured guests, which included Lord Steel of Aikwood and Lord Montagu among other industry luminaries, that the classic car hobby therefore "has the ear of Government at the highest level" and that enthusiasts in parliament are "kicking out above our weight".

Although, as yet there is no advance on the reintroduction of a rolling system for road tax-emption for classic cars, both the MPs and the Federation said they would continue to lobby for it.

They also urged enthusiasts to have their say in a huge survey following the Government consultation document on the possible scrapping of the MoT test for pre-1960 classics.

•More than £3.3 billion of the hobby's turnover is through 3800 specialist traders.
•Museums and clubs generate turnover of £90 million.British enthusiasts spend £3 billion a year on the hobby, or £2900 each.
•More than £505 million worth of classic car sales take place in Britain every year. Only 3% of these were over £50,000.
•35% of historic vehicles have changed hands in the past five years.
•The total value of historic vehicles in the UK is approximately £7.4 billion, an average of £8250 per vehicle.
•57% of people earning a living from the classic car industry are under 45.
•55% of all historic vehicle owners are aged under 60.
•Half of all historic vehicles cover fewer than 500 miles a year.
 
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I can see the point in trying to improve new cars but recon that older cars should have "Grandfather rights", ie they can keep going as long as they can be kept roadworthy.

Scrapping perfectly good, or even clapped out bangers, using a green arguement doesn't make any sense to me.
 
It takes less energy to repair a car than build one so IMHO more environmental friendly but less tax for the goverbent
 
Reason I posed the question,was I was reading an article on sports car forum I'm on,the reason why diesel has gone more expensive than petrol, as it was always cheaper.
And someone posted an article stating that diesel is now more expensive, because according to the article.
A it is now more expensive to produce because of the extra reductions of polutants that has to be taken out of it now, because of green regulations.
B it has become harder to import because there is actually less of it around,out of each barrel the percentage of diesel produced has reduced because of the extraction process,making it less available and more expensive.
C A fact that has arisen out of the scrapage scheme, the government implemented,was, the cars that were taken out were mainly small engine,high mpg petrol engines,which are cheaper than diesel alternatives, and also on small cars not to far apart mpg wise,
so need for diesel has reduced coupled with the governments co2 levels for taxation making it cheaper to tax petrol cars.
The report was basically saying that with the take up of hybrid/electric type engines being pushed by governments and climate change legislation, inner city bans on diesel engines without up to date filters and new diesel engines, the days of diesel at the pumps was slowly being strangled and will come a day when diesel will be a minority at the pumps.
Diesel used by transport and industry,would be put on a different level, as farming red diesel is now, and the motorist using diesel would be slowly priced off the road.
 
lazydog said:
Whitehall pledges its support for classics
07 Dec 2011
From Classic & Sports Car


The Government has guaranteed no restrictions will be introduced on the usage of classic cars in the UK.
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The trouble is the term classic cars isn't really defined in a legal sense. Although it is often implied that it means pre73 (I.e. Tax exempt vehicles) so that will never cover defenders and the like.

Also, even if the government don't apply restrictions itself, it doesn't stop other public bodies doing it. The lez thing is being done by the greater London council, not the government. So any guarantees it makes are worthless.
 
Ham Salad said:
Reason I posed the question,was I was reading an article on sports car forum I'm on,the reason why diesel has gone more expensive than petrol, as it was always cheaper.
And someone posted an article stating that diesel is now more expensive, because according to the article.
A it is now more expensive to produce because of the extra reductions of polutants that has to be taken out of it now, because of green regulations.
B it has become harder to import because there is actually less of it around,out of each barrel the percentage of diesel produced has reduced because of the extraction process,making it less available and more expensive.
C A fact that has arisen out of the scrapage scheme, the government implemented,was, the cars that were taken out were mainly small engine,high mpg petrol engines,which are cheaper than diesel alternatives, and also on small cars not to far apart mpg wise,
so need for diesel has reduced coupled with the governments co2 levels for taxation making it cheaper to tax petrol cars.
The report was basically saying that with the take up of hybrid/electric type engines being pushed by governments and climate change legislation, inner city bans on diesel engines without up to date filters and new diesel engines, the days of diesel at the pumps was slowly being strangled and will come a day when diesel will be a minority at the pumps.
Diesel used by transport and industry,would be put on a different level, as farming red diesel is now, and the motorist using diesel would be slowly priced off the road.
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Sorry to say this, but that is all crap, diesel is still cheaper than petrol to refine, we don't import diesel or petrol, we import oil, and then refine it into petrol & diesel here in the uk. The main reason for the increase in diesel price over petrol is because of demand. Diesel car sales have grown massively over the last 15 years due to their cheaper running costs, and more manufacturers have started producing diesel powered cars. It is a simple equation, the more demand there is for something, the higher the price is likely to be.
 
the more i read on this petrol v diesel thing the less i know :-
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yup... the Brazilians are still banging them out brand new slightly updated and bored out to 2.8 litres

300tdi is here to stay for a long time yet.
 
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