High / Low Ratio / Diff Lock selection / release problem.

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I've done a search on google but can't find an answer to this
particular problem.

I have an 89 3.5 efi Range Rover.

The High / Low ratio selector is very stiff to operate, is there a way
to grease or free this?.

I also have a potentially more serious problem.

With a lot of pressure (on the lever) I am able to select the diff lock
position, and the orange light comes on (not always immediatley,
occasionally i have to drive a few metres).

When i want to disengage the diff lock, the orange light does not go
out immediatley.

The last time i tried this, i had to drive 3 or 4 miles before the
light went out.

Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
still engaged.

Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.

 
[email protected] wrote:

> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
> still engaged.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>


Try to reverse a few feet. Works on a 101 anyway.

Steve
 
Hi Paul,

With regards to the stiffness of the lever, I think it might be down to lack
of use, but don't know if you can lubricate it.

But re the diff lock, it sounds right that it takes a few secs for the light
to come on,you have to wait till it engages, and to the light going off, try
reversing for about two mts or so, till the diff lock comes out.

Steve

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've done a search on google but can't find an answer to this
> particular problem.
>
> I have an 89 3.5 efi Range Rover.
>
> The High / Low ratio selector is very stiff to operate, is there a way
> to grease or free this?.
>
> I also have a potentially more serious problem.
>
> With a lot of pressure (on the lever) I am able to select the diff lock
> position, and the orange light comes on (not always immediatley,
> occasionally i have to drive a few metres).
>
> When i want to disengage the diff lock, the orange light does not go
> out immediatley.
>
> The last time i tried this, i had to drive 3 or 4 miles before the
> light went out.
>
> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
> still engaged.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>



 
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:02:17 +0000, Steve
<[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
>> still engaged.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>>

>
>Try to reverse a few feet. Works on a 101 anyway.
>

Works on a SIIa as well. Had to warn companion green laners about the
habit though as when I would pull over they would all pull up right
behind me :)


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the difflock light can take time to go off , i think it runs on a
vacuum from engine to actuate it .
if you deselect the difflock a minute or so before coming off the dirt
it will probably put the light out before or just as you drive onto
road .

sometimes i have had the light stay on for quite a while , ie minutes ,
but i think the actual difflock is disengaged but the diaphragm may not
have moved far enough to switch the light off .

to lubricate all the linkages just get some diesel in one of those
trigger squirty bottles and get under the rangie and spray a jet of
the fluid at all the linkages, do this a few times and it will be much
more free to operate .
i think you can lift up the rubber shroud around the gearsticks and
also spray fluid in from that way .

WD40 is a bit thin to use, but diesel is great as a freeing off fluid
and thin oil lube .

the high/low range lever can require a little effort to engage or
disengage but only because its a short leverl and you dont want the
handbrake on whilst engaging the lever or it tends to not allow that
little bit of freeplay on the prop you need when it jumps into range .

hope this helps .

 
m0bcg wrote:
> the difflock light can take time to go off , i think it runs on a
> vacuum from engine to actuate it .


The OP's actuation is mechanical not by vacuum.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> I've done a search on google but can't find an answer to this
> particular problem.
>
> I have an 89 3.5 efi Range Rover.
>
> The High / Low ratio selector is very stiff to operate, is there a way
> to grease or free this?.
>
> I also have a potentially more serious problem.
>
> With a lot of pressure (on the lever) I am able to select the diff lock
> position, and the orange light comes on (not always immediatley,
> occasionally i have to drive a few metres).
>
> When i want to disengage the diff lock, the orange light does not go
> out immediatley.
>
> The last time i tried this, i had to drive 3 or 4 miles before the
> light went out.
>
> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
> still engaged.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>

Reversing for 20 yards in a Defender 110 works well!

Cheers

Peter
 
> Reversing for 20 yards in a Defender 110 works well!

Ill try reversing, BUT 20 YARDS !!!!, knowing my luck ill just end up
where i started from.!!

 
[email protected] wrote:
>>Reversing for 20 yards in a Defender 110 works well!

>
>
> Ill try reversing, BUT 20 YARDS !!!!, knowing my luck ill just end up
> where i started from.!!
>

You don't have to go back in the same direction you came from :)

I don't use the diflock much, so maybe mine is more reluctant than some
to disengage. (It does say you need to reverse in the manual, just not
how far!)

Cheers

Peter
 
[email protected] wrote:
> I've done a search on google but can't find an answer to this
> particular problem.
>
> I have an 89 3.5 efi Range Rover.
>
> The High / Low ratio selector is very stiff to operate, is there a way
> to grease or free this?.
>


Quite simply use it more frequently! Try engaging and disengaging it
several times each time you use the vehicle. Make sure that the lever
travels far enough to actually engage something, if you see what I mean.
Ignore the warning lights, more on that later. The movement should free
up with use.

At this point it might help to explain that the 'system' has two parts -
an external linkage directly connected to the lever and a dog clutch
which is directly linked to the warning light. There is a compression
spring between the two parts which allows them to move independantly.

In most cases the external linkage seizes through lack of use. If
exercising it as above fails to provide relief, get underneath and
lubricate the linkage with diesel, WD40 or similar. Try to get the
lubricant to the shaft which passes into the front output housing
underneath the rotating lever. Repeat the exercising.

> I also have a potentially more serious problem.
>
> With a lot of pressure (on the lever) I am able to select the diff lock
> position, and the orange light comes on (not always immediatley,
> occasionally i have to drive a few metres).
>
> When i want to disengage the diff lock, the orange light does not go
> out immediatley.
>
> The last time i tried this, i had to drive 3 or 4 miles before the
> light went out.
>
> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
> still engaged.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>


This is the result of a lack of understanding of what is happening
underneath. It has nothing to do with the selection part of the system
but with the dog clutch part. The dog clutch is unaffected by
infrequency of use.

The dog clutch has a sliding part and a fixed part. The sliding part is
moved by the selector lever but there is a compression spring between
the two. This means that the lever can be pushed fully into a selected
position compressing the spring but the sliding member need not move
unless it is free to do so.

The illuminated warning light effectively indicates that the sliding
member is in the locked diff position. The illumination state will not
change until the sliding member moves and from the previous paragraph
this need not be when the lever is moved.

All this part of the system is obviously working as your light goes on
and off and you have observed that driving on hard surfaces with the
diff lock engaged is 'different'. The good news, then, is that there's
nothing wrong inside!

For the dog clutch to engage i.e. actually apply the differential lock,
teeth on the fixed and sliding members need to mate and this will not
happen if the teeth are butting up to each other. Some relative movement
between the teeth is required to allow a tooth in one part to line up
with a 'hole' in the other part. It actually requires the teeth to move
relative to each other so sitting stationary does not help - actual
road wheel rotation is needed to provide relative rotation between the
front and rear propshafts. When the tooth and 'hole' are lined up the
sliding member is free to engage with the fixed member under the force
of the compressed spring.

Once engaged, torque in the driveline (either wind-up or driving torque)
will keep this dog clutch engaged through forces on the teeth. These
forces must be reduced (to near zero) to allow the dog clutch teeth to
be separated - again by a compressed spring. This explains the delay or
refusal to disengage. It is perfectly normal behaviour. Nothing is wrong.

To accomplish disengement do not drive steadily - this maintains the
torque that you do not want. Sequential acceleration and deceleration
will often bring about disengagement.

If that fails:
Either
Drive in reverse, possibly turning the steering one way as you do
so. You're relying here on free play in the driveline, tyre deflections
and differing rotational speeds between the front and rear propshafts.
Or
Allow a road wheel to slip in relation to the other three. Try driving
on the grass verge (better if soft and wet) or drive sharply off a kerb
or over a sharp bump. You're trying to get any one wheel to lose
traction momentarily.

If you are absolutely stuck and wish to release the diff lock whilst at
home, jack up a wheel which will 'kick' a bit when contact with the
ground is lost. The handbrake should be released for this operation so
take appropriate precautions (obviously not using the wheel brakes
either) against the vehicle moving.

Prevention is better than cure - avoid driving on hard surfaces with the
diff lock engaged. That way you'll avoid the wind-up which is the cause
of your problem!
 
Very detailed and thourough explanation, I'm very grateful, thanks very
much.

I will follow your advice to the letter.

Once again, thanks a lot for your time.

 
Try reversing with a lot of lock on this seems to make it drop out faster.

Also don't drive for any distance on roads with the diff lock engaged as
this will stress the transmission.

Regards
Jeff


 
On or around 1 Jan 2006 04:40:32 -0800, "m0bcg"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>the difflock light can take time to go off , i think it runs on a
>vacuum from engine to actuate it .
>if you deselect the difflock a minute or so before coming off the dirt
>it will probably put the light out before or just as you drive onto
>road .
>
>sometimes i have had the light stay on for quite a while , ie minutes ,
>but i think the actual difflock is disengaged but the diaphragm may not
>have moved far enough to switch the light off .
>


doesn't that depend on which transmission? some of the diff locks were
vacuum operated, some mechanical, ISTR.

anyway, either stop and reverse for a few yards, or drive one side of the
vehicle onto the grass verge, if there is one, or other loose surface - the
small amount of slip created will let the lock come loose. It won't come
out of difflock if the diff is under load.
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from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around 1 Jan 2006 04:40:32 -0800, "m0bcg"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>the difflock light can take time to go off , i think it runs on a
>>vacuum from engine to actuate it .
>>if you deselect the difflock a minute or so before coming off the dirt
>>it will probably put the light out before or just as you drive onto
>>road .
>>
>>sometimes i have had the light stay on for quite a while , ie minutes ,
>>but i think the actual difflock is disengaged but the diaphragm may not
>>have moved far enough to switch the light off .
>>

>
>
> doesn't that depend on which transmission? some of the diff locks were
> vacuum operated, some mechanical, ISTR.


The four speed LT95 box (101 and RRC to about 1986?) had a vacuum actuator.

The vacuum actuator introduced a further potential delay on top of the
issues which also affect the mechanically operated ones. I never found
it a problem.
 
....and Steve spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Its quite obvious from the way the RR drives that the diff lock is
>> still engaged.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem.
>>

>
> Try to reverse a few feet. Works on a 101 anyway.
>
> Steve


This is quite common. Reverse for a few yards as Steve says, waggle the
steering from side to side as you go, never fails.

--
Rich
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