HHO...has anyone dabbled with it yet?

what .....ya tryin to tell me that ya cant run a motor on cooking oil now...your off your bloody rockers!

Gouranga! said:

what .....ya tryin to tell me that ya cant run a motor on cooking oil now...your off your bloody rockers!

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eh ? wot? who? or did yer mean oddone

Point being....until people check this **** out. Nobody believes it! For the sake of a little fartin about, I'll find out for myself whether the audi in spain was just some sort of fluke type bizarre ****.

slob said:

eh ? wot? who? or did yer mean oddone

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Certainly not me good chap!!!

Yeah Odenne and his educated comments...

Gouranga! said:

Yeah Odenne and his educated comments...

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Nah, just couldnt see the any point in this fred whatsoever other than as a medium to have a bit of a laff and take the **** out of a twonk!

Gouranga! said:

Point being....until people check this **** out. Nobody believes it! For the sake of a little fartin about, I'll find out for myself whether the audi in spain was just some sort of fluke type bizarre ****.

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simple number crunching should tell yer... you have so much energy in a gallon of fuel, yer int gonna get that from 1/15 pint of water. which going by the figures being banded about is the amount of water needed to travel 30 miles.

reet am off back to me job at NASA, we're developing a new custard and chocolate sauce engine for the next generation of space flight vehicle

sorry did i miss anything...got bored and put a wardrobe together

nah, cept wur goona make a injun that will run on that brown milk yer get left after you've finished all the cocoa pops

Ere Slob, once yer done wiv that could yer see if you can develop one which runs off of Lleylandii clippings, you'd solve a big problem round ere if ya could!!

odenne said:

Ere Slob, once yer done wiv that could yer see if you can develop one which runs off of Lleylandii clippings, you'd solve a big problem round ere if ya could!!

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thas called a steam engine - yer just need to shovel em in quick!

Solve the problem at source, how about an engine that runs of the people who grow lleylandii and dump it at my back gate??

odenne said:

Ere Slob, once yer done wiv that could yer see if you can develop one which runs off of Lleylandii clippings, you'd solve a big problem round ere if ya could!!

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Funnily enough ...... during and after the 1939-45 War, Sweden had trouble getting enough fuel oil, and so they devised a super system of fuelling spark ignition trucks on WOOD.

The trucks were all rigids and towed a trailer which contained a sort of furnace thing which cooked wood at a special temperature and that made what is called "producer gas", mostly carbon monoxide and methane. This was fed along pipes to the carburettor, and the engine ran reasonably well.

For years, my Uncle, Falke Petterson, drove a wood truck that used this system.

Check this!

Producer Gas for Automotive Use - Practical Answers

Eat you friggin' hearts out tax men!

Any spark ignition Landy could be converted to do this = FREE FUEL for Hybridgirl 'cos she's gotten her own chainsaw and a sparky-engined Pink Fink ! !

Charles

Hurm.. I've seen all these "water cells" and stuff. there are commercially produced hydrogen/browns gas producers. They claim massive fuel economy benefits.. but look like they were made of sandwich boxes. Working in alternative fuel research, I keep tabs on these technologies. In my opinion, such a device would produce only a small amount of hydrogen. You may see a VERY small change but it won't be a lot. The most believable website detailing such a product reckoned on a couple of litres of water lasting approx. 400 miles and giving ~10-15% extra mpg. This however was tested on quite inneficient (low compression) engines. The claims given by most places seem.. well, for want of a better word, bull****. I remember back in the late 90s a device called a TurboZet was marketed as giving 40% improvements across the board, power, mpg the lot. It was a little fan that fitted into the intake pipes. It was found to restrict airflow and therefore damage power output and mpg. Having said that, my uncle has a device called a Hiclone which is a little metal contraption that fits in the intake hose. He SWEARS it makes a difference, and i can see it would help atomisation somewhat via turbulence.. but.. yeah...Anything that claims any power increase must do one simple thing. it MUST somehow increase the oxygen your engine gets, so it can burn more fuel. And a 10 percent increase needs around the same amount of extra air or fuel. If it doesn't do that it cannot work.

Bac on topic, this to me is more interesting with reference to diesel engines being run on vegetable oil and its derivatives. both clean veg oil and waste veg oil (SVO/WVO respectively) do not quite combust as well as diesel, particularly in direct injection engines. adding an amount of hydrogen could help combustion. Even so it would only be a very small benefit, found mostly in reliability by stopping the piston rings getting gunked up by unburnt vege oil. you may see a VERY slight power increase, but no fuel economy increase unless the engine was a very modern one with sensors and on-the-fly (learning) mapping. Even in that case, you're looking at a very small change, if any at all.

It's interesting to me, as i'm running my puke-goat partner 1.9D (XUD) van on 100% WVO. It starts on biodiesel, then once hot, switches to WVO. The pukey, being an indirect injection engine, does not suffer from gunking due to unburnt fuel, and i've found the oil does not polymerise (get diluted by wvo) within a normal service interval. This is not the case for most direct injection engines. I've yet to test it, but when my Series3 is completed, with it's Perkins Prima 2.0TDi engine, i'll be attempting to run it on WVO, in varying percentages with the end aim of getting it to run on 100% WVO. From the information I have gathered, these engines need servicing slightly more often when run on 100% veg, and **can** gunk up a little. a tiny bit of hydrogen/browns gas could help this.

I encourage all research into alternative fuels, so keep it up mate.

By the way, i might be mistaken on this, but some memory lost deep within the fog of time tells me that in WW2, the japanese developed a way of powering their planes derived from vegetable matter. Experience tells me this was probably wood alcohol gained from the fermentation process.

back to the first post how would putting magnets on the fuel lines help in any way?

goonarmy said:

back to the first post how would putting magnets on the fuel lines help in any way?

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i've heard if you drive along Ley lines once every month for about 5.6458miles, the end result will be the same in terms of increased power and MPG

goonarmy said:

back to the first post how would putting magnets on the fuel lines help in any way?

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Simple answer, It wouldn't.

thats pretty much what i thought

my lurcher farts a lot,could i use that as an alternative fuel and what do you suggest for storage?