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"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:26:14 -0000, Reg wrote:
>
> > Generally TrafficMaster just confirmed that I was in a traffic

jam,
> > stopped on the M25. Or that there was a jam ahead and there was
> > nothing that I could do about it.

>
> I think you must have had one of the flashing light/talking jobbies.

I
> tend to forget that these exist as I have a YQ that shows the entire
> country... Extremely useful.


Correct.

> When I lived in St Albans but still had a flat in Bristol I could

stay
> at home until the M25 had cleared, or now that I'm up north and go
> south. I could see when still north of the M62 that the M1 was
> seriously stuffed just north of Nottingham so kept to the A1 then

cut
> around underneath.


I did not know that data was available that covered a large area. It
was obvious that the data was transmitted from the road side as I
passed and only covered the roads just ahead, by talking.

Reg.

 
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:37:36 -0000, Reg wrote:

> I did not know that data was available that covered a large area.
> It was obvious that the data was transmitted from the road side as I
> passed and only covered the roads just ahead, by talking.


Yes the small flashing light/talking ones get their limited data from
roadside boxes. The YQ gets it over one of the national paging
networks. After about 3 minutes from switch on has data for the entire
network. There is also the facilty for brief incident description
along with News and Weather info. There was, maybe still is, a facilty
for text pager messages to be sent to an individual YQ unit from
ordinary phones but the interface was very slow and clunky to use.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> 30 years ago I used to get thrown off farms and told never to come
>>>>> back doing this sort of job (selling IH tractors).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what comes of selling crap.
>>>> ROTFLMAO.
>>>
>>> Not sure I'll say what I'm selling after that response ;o)
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>

>>
>> That means it just must be New Holland. Oh dear!
>>
>> Hehehehehehehhehh :) Heeeeeeehehhehheheheheh.
>>
>> I really do feel for you ;-)
>>

>
> It *IS*, isn't it?
> Woops.
> Sorry!
>
> Huw
>


Nope, Massey Ferguson, Fendt and Challenger....

Much better than New Holland!!

Graham


 

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> 30 years ago I used to get thrown off farms and told never to come
>>>>>> back doing this sort of job (selling IH tractors).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what comes of selling crap.
>>>>> ROTFLMAO.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I'll say what I'm selling after that response ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>
>>> That means it just must be New Holland. Oh dear!
>>>
>>> Hehehehehehehhehh :) Heeeeeeehehhehheheheheh.
>>>
>>> I really do feel for you ;-)
>>>

>>
>> It *IS*, isn't it?
>> Woops.
>> Sorry!
>>
>> Huw
>>

>
> Nope, Massey Ferguson, Fendt and Challenger....
>
> Much better than New Holland!!
>


Definitely!

I own a 7490 DynaVT. Marvellous piece of kit. I believe I am due an engine
flash file soon and some linkage stops to attach to the hitch.

Huw


 
> I own a 7490 DynaVT. Marvellous piece of kit. I believe I am due an engine
> flash file soon and some linkage stops to attach to the hitch.


As it happens, I've just spent the weekend on one of those ploughing. They
are good! Have to say though, I prefer the fendt. What made you choose that
over the competition, its useful to have other peoples opinions when trying
to sell something.

Graham


 

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I own a 7490 DynaVT. Marvellous piece of kit. I believe I am due an
>> engine flash file soon and some linkage stops to attach to the hitch.

>
> As it happens, I've just spent the weekend on one of those ploughing. They
> are good! Have to say though, I prefer the fendt. What made you choose
> that over the competition, its useful to have other peoples opinions when
> trying to sell something.
>
> Graham
>


Likes

Left hand reverser.

Very easy for the casual driver to just jump on and vary speed simply by
pushing or pulling a lever. It can be driven like this quite efficiently by
those who do not wish to use automated functions.

Easy to use linkage control with a central stop position to the rocker
switch.

Two choices for speed changing in lever mode, the dynashift lever and the
seat lever.

Two engine memories plus hand throttle.

Forager mode where top speed can be selected and the tractor left to cruise
at maximum power with a choice of how much the engine dies down before the
transmission slows using 'supervisor' dial.

Two selectable speed [cruise] controls that can be used in conjunction with
forager mode [or any other mode] to allow fast headland operation and slow
entry into a swath for instance. Temporarily cancelled the tractor returns
to work speed controlled by work load with a maximum speed that can be
instantly changed if need be as described below.

Particularly nice is the SV2 knob which alters the maximum speed in forager
mode. If turned slowly the ground speed increases in 1 kph increments. Turn
it faster and speed increases in 2 or even 3 kph increments.

Tractor defaults to lever mode on engine start. Some of the others start in
pedal mode which is OK if it is used constantly for transport I supose.

Easily set start-off speeds indepandantly set for low and high range and
foward and reverse. Absolutely simple and intuative.


Superb electric joystick control of spools with easy setting of flow and
timed detents, especially with the Datatronic module fitted to mine. As a
loader tractor it has to be experienced to be believed.

Exceptionally quiet cab.

Nice light interior with an usable passenger seat which does not have to be
folded for the driver to exit.

Exceptional fuel economy in all work, especially compared to my NH 8360
range command which is 20hp less but uses more fuel for every job and
massively more for heavy work at high revs.

Good fuel economy compared with my Same titan160 which has far less torque
and inferior engine characteristics.

No internal transmission clutch packs which compares with the opposition
which have forward/reverse packs and several speed clutch packs.

Exceptionally smooth speed changes with no jerks.

Very simple and effective front axle suspension with few grease nipples or
wear prone joints. No continuously operating twin rams for axle articulation
either. Also it can be switched off for loader work to save wear and tear
even further. No panhard rod, chains or big load bearing under the tractor
belly.

Very simple and effective cab suspension with no panhard rods or
potentiometers as far as I can see.

Very easy access under and around the cab which is in marked contrast to the
opposition and indeed to Fendt, although this is a result of the cab being
mounted quite high.

Nice narrow bonnet for great visibility compared to every one of the others.


Dislikes.

The sort of dynamic stop when the 'clutch' is fully pressed and pulled back
a bit. This can be a nuisance in some situations.
Engine is rather noisy.
Transmission is quite noisy at 50kph but the cab is quiet so the contrast
when the rear window is opened is large.
The tractor is tall, especially with my 42'' wheels and care needs to be
taken to release the door handle before jumping off the lower step or a
dislocated shoulder could result.
Full factory fitted air brake system should be an option rather than dealer
fit.
Brakes could be lighter to use considering the rather good on paper spec.
Stabilisers should be self centring and locking like the waltersheid units
fitted to my previous JD. This would keep the links still when they are not
in use and stop them hitting the auto hitch lift rods.
Bonnet should be one piece and lift, but this is a minor point.
Electric mirrors do not extend or retract electrically and tend to have the
shakes.
I'm not a great fan of pedal mode for transport use.
If lever mode is used at full road speed and the tractor overspeeds slightly
then the transmission ratio changes so that the engine speed rises but the
ratio has to be manually speeded up again by pushing the lever forwards.
In forager mode and at high revs where the hand throttle lever is used to
limit forward speed, it is too easy to brush the seat speed control with an
arm. This results in the transmission defaulting to lever mode where the
engine memory is cancelled, resulting in the engine speed dropping
alarmingly to the hand throttle setting. Quite disconcerting when it happens
with an actual forager at full load. Easily adapted to though, but a casual
driver could be caught out.

Summary.

Totally awesome machine which is simple for any stockman to drive but
sophisticated enough to please the most enthusiastic proffessional. I have
tried them all and this thing rocks.

Huw


 
<snip>

Blimy, wasn't expecting an essay, but thanks. I'm going to print this lot
off to show my colligues. No doubting it is a good tractor. Its set to get
even better this year since Datatronic 3 has just been launched on it. It
brilliant, much more user friendly than previous. Those familiar with the
fendt vario terminal will recognise it. It incorperates Fendts 'teachin'
which is renound as the best headland management system on the market.

> Dislikes.
>
> The sort of dynamic stop when the 'clutch' is fully pressed and pulled
> back a bit. This can be a nuisance in some situations.


Quite agree.

> Engine is rather noisy.


No worse than some, it does seem noisier than the Perkins though.

> Transmission is quite noisy at 50kph but the cab is quiet so the contrast
> when the rear window is opened is large.


Its something I've noticed, don't know why though cos the fendt isn't as bad
and thats the same transmission.

> The tractor is tall, especially with my 42'' wheels and care needs to be
> taken to release the door handle before jumping off the lower step or a
> dislocated shoulder could result.


Very tall infact!

> Full factory fitted air brake system should be an option rather than
> dealer fit.


On the cards for later in the year.

> Brakes could be lighter to use considering the rather good on paper spec.


Think they appear heavy because you are fighting the transmission to a
degree. They are excellent on the 6490s which use a similar system.

> Stabilisers should be self centring and locking like the waltersheid units
> fitted to my previous JD. This would keep the links still when they are
> not in use and stop them hitting the auto hitch lift rods.


Optional Extra

> Bonnet should be one piece and lift, but this is a minor point.


Being addressed. The bonnets are different on nearly every model. They are
working on making them unifom and one piece opening.

> Electric mirrors do not extend or retract electrically and tend to have
> the shakes.


Needs stronger arms. Has been mentioned to MF

> I'm not a great fan of pedal mode for transport use.


Only ever use it with a loader.

> If lever mode is used at full road speed and the tractor overspeeds
> slightly then the transmission ratio changes so that the engine speed
> rises but the ratio has to be manually speeded up again by pushing the
> lever forwards.


....usually chucks up an error code too. Again, has been mentioned.

> In forager mode and at high revs where the hand throttle lever is used to
> limit forward speed, it is too easy to brush the seat speed control with
> an arm. This results in the transmission defaulting to lever mode where
> the engine memory is cancelled, resulting in the engine speed dropping
> alarmingly to the hand throttle setting. Quite disconcerting when it
> happens with an actual forager at full load. Easily adapted to though, but
> a casual driver could be caught out.


I suppose their argument would be that it is designed to be used with the
dual engine speed control, but point taken.

> Summary.
>
> Totally awesome machine which is simple for any stockman to drive but
> sophisticated enough to please the most enthusiastic proffessional. I have
> tried them all and this thing rocks.


In a nutshell that is what MF have tried to achieve. They are very good at
making complicated tractors easy to drive. They did away with a lot of the
complicated control systems in the Fendt to create a simple yet efficient
tractor.

Thanks very much for your input.

Graham


 

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>
> Blimy, wasn't expecting an essay, but thanks. I'm going to print this lot
> off to show my colligues. No doubting it is a good tractor. Its set to get
> even better this year since Datatronic 3 has just been launched on it. It
> brilliant, much more user friendly than previous. Those familiar with the
> fendt vario terminal will recognise it. It incorperates Fendts 'teachin'
> which is renound as the best headland management system on the market.
>


It took me a while to find the headland management system on my 7490. It is
hidden in the left hand dash display and allows a time delay to be set for
engine rev changes to those set in memory when the links are raised and
lowered. This, combined with the automated PTO control allows the PTO to be
engaged before revs rise and revs to fall when the links are raised, or any
combination you wish for. It is easy to use but will never be found by some
drivers, especially considering that I don't believe it to be mentioned in
the rather sparsely detailed operators manual. It is all I need. I suspect
that the more sophisticated systems which control the timed spool valves
and a whole sequence of other things are seldom used even if they can be
automatically set into the tractor memory. The problem is that headland
turns are never constant for long. Well not around here anyhow.

However, The D3 terminal as I have seen it on paper is bound to be another
small step forward. As it is I am more than happy with what I have got,
which is the existing datatronic with trailed implement control [which is
not used] and the super system for semi-mounted implement management.

I forgot to mention another of my favourite features which is the default
torque converter mode which allows such smooth yard work and starts from
junctions. It is also brilliant that this can be switched off for field work
if I feel like it.

Huw


 
> It took me a while to find the headland management system on my 7490. It
> is hidden in the left hand dash display and allows a time delay to be set
> for engine rev changes to those set in memory when the links are raised
> and lowered. This, combined with the automated PTO control allows the PTO
> to be engaged before revs rise and revs to fall when the links are raised,
> or any combination you wish for. It is easy to use but will never be found
> by some drivers, especially considering that I don't believe it to be
> mentioned in the rather sparsely detailed operators manual.


I think it comes in a seperate manual for D2, but i may be wrong.

It is all I need. I suspect
> that the more sophisticated systems which control the timed spool valves
> and a whole sequence of other things are seldom used even if they can be
> automatically set into the tractor memory. The problem is that headland
> turns are never constant for long. Well not around here anyhow.


Thats the thing with headland management, the turns shouldn't need to be the
same, as you say they never are. The Fendt system doesn't manage the turn,
it manages the in's and outs. I.e. you set it recording, drop into work
change whatever you are going to change, speed etc, then stop recording.
When you get to the other end you start recording, slow down, turn lift up
turn plough, then stop recording and turn the tractor round. Hit start for
the previous sequence, the plough drops, diff engages, speed increases, revs
increase etc. Get to the other end and hit the lift out sequence and so on.
Trust me once you get to grips with it, it makes life a lot easier. The
fendt system (not sure on D3 yet) allows you to store upto 13 functions onto
each of 4 buttons which can then be stored into the memory. This can then
store a further 3 lots of 4x13, so the scope is huge. It not only records
the sequence, but stores the state of the tractor at that time, i.e. flow
rates, engine speeds, forward speeds, drop rates etc etc. It sounds
complicated, but it isn't, all you do is ask it to record and it then
records all the things you do, like a cassette recorder, simple. So in
simple terms you can record and save sequences involvig any part of the
tractor bar direction changes, lights and the radio!!

I'm told that D3 works in the same way, which will be a massive selling
point if it does.

> However, The D3 terminal as I have seen it on paper is bound to be another
> small step forward. As it is I am more than happy with what I have got,
> which is the existing datatronic with trailed implement control [which is
> not used] and the super system for semi-mounted implement management.


With the new system the above things you mentioned are redundant, since the
new system does it all together. No programming, nothing, it just memorises
what you do. This isn't a small step, if its even half as good as the fendt
system it will wipe the floor with everything else on the market.Mark my
words, the competition will be playing catch-up and adopting similar systems
of their own, simply because its so easy to use. Drivers that use the system
tell me that they have discovered all manor of uses for headland management
since its so simple to set up. On the fendt for example, you can programme a
mini sequence with a loader that on the push of one button it will tip the
bucket at you desired speed, then crowd it back to its original position.
Not a great example I admit, but you get the idea.

> I forgot to mention another of my favourite features which is the default
> torque converter mode which allows such smooth yard work and starts from
> junctions. It is also brilliant that this can be switched off for field
> work if I feel like it.


It is good. I passed on you're last e-mail to my bosses, they asked me if I
could have got your phone number, so that if we have a customer interested
in a 74 you might have a word with them?? Would be very grateful it you were
able to see your way clear to doing this. If not, I don't mind and won't be
offended.

Graham

g.r.gleed[removethis]@btinternet[thistoo].com


 

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> It took me a while to find the headland management system on my 7490. It
>> is hidden in the left hand dash display and allows a time delay to be set
>> for engine rev changes to those set in memory when the links are raised
>> and lowered. This, combined with the automated PTO control allows the PTO
>> to be engaged before revs rise and revs to fall when the links are
>> raised, or any combination you wish for. It is easy to use but will never
>> be found by some drivers, especially considering that I don't believe it
>> to be mentioned in the rather sparsely detailed operators manual.

>
> I think it comes in a seperate manual for D2, but i may be wrong.


I don't think it is part of DII but is a fairly well hidden part of the left
hand dash display controlled by the column touchpad. I seem to be the only
one to have found it LOL



>
> It is all I need. I suspect
>> that the more sophisticated systems which control the timed spool valves
>> and a whole sequence of other things are seldom used even if they can be
>> automatically set into the tractor memory. The problem is that headland
>> turns are never constant for long. Well not around here anyhow.

>
> Thats the thing with headland management, the turns shouldn't need to be
> the same, as you say they never are. The Fendt system doesn't manage the
> turn, it manages the in's and outs. I.e. you set it recording, drop into
> work change whatever you are going to change, speed etc, then stop
> recording. When you get to the other end you start recording, slow down,
> turn lift up turn plough, then stop recording and turn the tractor round.
> Hit start for the previous sequence, the plough drops, diff engages, speed
> increases, revs increase etc. Get to the other end and hit the lift out
> sequence and so on. Trust me once you get to grips with it, it makes life
> a lot easier. The fendt system (not sure on D3 yet) allows you to store
> upto 13 functions onto each of 4 buttons which can then be stored into the
> memory. This can then store a further 3 lots of 4x13, so the scope is
> huge. It not only records the sequence, but stores the state of the
> tractor at that time, i.e. flow rates, engine speeds, forward speeds, drop
> rates etc etc. It sounds complicated, but it isn't, all you do is ask it
> to record and it then records all the things you do, like a cassette
> recorder, simple. So in simple terms you can record and save sequences
> involvig any part of the tractor bar direction changes, lights and the
> radio!!
>
> I'm told that D3 works in the same way, which will be a massive selling
> point if it does.
>


Sounds good but in my particular case it would be of little advantage
because the days mine does arable work in a year can be counted on two
hands. Nevertheless, I am sure there will be even more 'surprise and
delight' features in the DIII which will make it worthwhile to most power
users.




>> However, The D3 terminal as I have seen it on paper is bound to be
>> another small step forward. As it is I am more than happy with what I
>> have got, which is the existing datatronic with trailed implement control
>> [which is not used] and the super system for semi-mounted implement
>> management.

>
> With the new system the above things you mentioned are redundant, since
> the new system does it all together. No programming, nothing, it just
> memorises what you do. This isn't a small step, if its even half as good
> as the fendt system it will wipe the floor with everything else on the
> market.Mark my words, the competition will be playing catch-up and
> adopting similar systems of their own, simply because its so easy to use.
> Drivers that use the system tell me that they have discovered all manor of
> uses for headland management since its so simple to set up. On the fendt
> for example, you can programme a mini sequence with a loader that on the
> push of one button it will tip the bucket at you desired speed, then crowd
> it back to its original position. Not a great example I admit, but you get
> the idea.


Aha. As I thought. Suprise and delight :)
I've used a NH headland management and it is so complex to set up that I am
sure hardly anyone would bother with it.



>
>> I forgot to mention another of my favourite features which is the default
>> torque converter mode which allows such smooth yard work and starts from
>> junctions. It is also brilliant that this can be switched off for field
>> work if I feel like it.

>
> It is good. I passed on you're last e-mail to my bosses, they asked me if
> I could have got your phone number, so that if we have a customer
> interested in a 74 you might have a word with them?? Would be very
> grateful it you were able to see your way clear to doing this. If not, I
> don't mind and won't be offended.
>
> Graham
>
> g.r.gleed[removethis]@btinternet[thistoo].com
>
>


I'll get back to you.

Huw


 
>> I think it comes in a seperate manual for D2, but i may be wrong.
>
> I don't think it is part of DII but is a fairly well hidden part of the
> left hand dash display controlled by the column touchpad. I seem to be the
> only one to have found it LOL


Hmmm not sure then. Doesn't exactly sell its self to users then :eek:)

>
> Sounds good but in my particular case it would be of little advantage
> because the days mine does arable work in a year can be counted on two
> hands. Nevertheless, I am sure there will be even more 'surprise and
> delight' features in the DIII which will make it worthwhile to most power
> users.


You may be right, but as I said, being really easy to use, would allow you
to think of more uses, not necessarily in arable functions. Besides, it
looks as if it will make spool and hydraulic setup easier, which has to be a
plus, cos I find it a bit of a pain on D2 (compared to competition).

Drivers that use the system tell me that they have discovered all manor of
>> uses for headland management since its so simple to set up. On the fendt
>> for example, you can programme a mini sequence with a loader that on the
>> push of one button it will tip the bucket at you desired speed, then
>> crowd it back to its original position. Not a great example I admit, but
>> you get the idea.

>
> Aha. As I thought. Suprise and delight :)
> I've used a NH headland management and it is so complex to set up that I
> am sure hardly anyone would bother with it.


JD, Case and many of the others are all extraordinarily complicated to use,
and as you point out most don't use it. PROFI and many others hail Fendt's
as the benchmark. Have yet to use the MF system in anger, but I'm told it is
very similar to the fendt system. Really hope it is cos it will result in a
really strong tractor.

> I'll get back to you.


Cheers matey

Graham


 
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