Good Td5's??

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Richard Brookman wrote:
> ...and Huw spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>> I know of a Discovery that it happened to less than four months ago.
>> Car had 40,000 miles on and was dealer serviced. The oil light came
>> on and the driver stopped immediately. Dealer diagnosed and changed
>> the wiring loom due to known problem. After restarting the engine
>> they could not extinguish the light and tried revving the hell out of
>> it to see what happened. Guess what happened?
>>
>> Huw
>
> Ouch!

To cap it all they couldn't get the replacement new engine to start and had
to ship the whole vehicle to Coventry to be sorted. LR don't seem to have a
sevice engineering crash team that can back-up dealers in a crisis. Usually
this is part of a manufacturers service to its dealers assuming the dealer
is diligent with staff training and has a good relationship with the
manufacturer.

Huw


 
Richard Brookman <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've heard the Td5 decribed (in one of the mags) as the best engine Land
> Rover ever made.

In my opinion it ist. I own a 99 and one 04 TD5 (the 99 goes a bit
better) and with mild tuning they are perfect engines. No oil
consumption, revs and has loads of torque and refuses to make any
problems. Not one of the sluggish diesel-beasts araound, a really
wonderful engine to drive.

Raoul
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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you intend to do mainly on-road driving then perhaps a TD5 will be
> OK, but I'd be inclined to stick to the mechanical 300TDi with better
> torque and little fear of water or mud if I was going to off-road.

We had a TD5 lying in Water for 7 hours and after drying and cleaning
the head (and draining the oils) it started immediately. And it was
completely under water.

Raoul
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"Derry Argue" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Are they really as big a disaster as everyone says?

heads crack aorund the injectors, gasoil pours into the engine, when you
check with the dispstick you see that oil, instead of being consumed, adds
up. Miracle!

If you are patient enough to periodically drain the diluted oil, and you
pour good new oil in its place, you could even not experience serious
troubles. But if you eventually get bored and go for changing the head,
prepare to dump lot of cash.

Ciao



 
"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Dealer diagnosed and changed the wiring loom due to known problem.

Nuts! the oil pump thing is a nut slacking (and toothed gear running free
instead of driving the pump's shaft) due to insufficient thread-locking
liquid applied.

> After restarting the engine they could not extinguish the light and tried
> revving the hell out of it to see what happened. Guess what happened?

blast?

Ciao


 
On 2006-02-27, Raoul Donschachner <[email protected]> wrote:

> We had a TD5 lying in Water for 7 hours and after drying and cleaning
> the head (and draining the oils) it started immediately. And it was
> completely under water.

The problem was with the accelerator pedal, and the engine still ran
but only on tickover as the accelerator no longer worked, perhaps
they've waterproofed it now, but the engine would still start and run
even without the accelerator pedal working.

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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> The problem was with the accelerator pedal, and the engine still ran
> but only on tickover as the accelerator no longer worked, perhaps
> they've waterproofed it now, but the engine would still start and run
> even without the accelerator pedal working.

Ours was a 99, therefore without any modifications, anyway, it worked
:)

Probably luck :) after destrying the whole car :-(

Raoul
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On 2006-02-28, Raoul Donschachner <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ours was a 99, therefore without any modifications, anyway, it worked
>:)
>
> Probably luck :) after destrying the whole car :-(

Yes, I was about to say, you've got the kind of luck we can all do
without!

BTW my current fantasy is to kit my defender up for deep water wading,
as in getting some scuba gear and driving the thing across an estuary
or something, it would be fun to do, especially in someone else's truck..

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On or around Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-02-28, Raoul Donschachner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ours was a 99, therefore without any modifications, anyway, it worked
>>:)
>>
>> Probably luck :) after destrying the whole car :-(
>
>Yes, I was about to say, you've got the kind of luck we can all do
>without!
>
>BTW my current fantasy is to kit my defender up for deep water wading,
>as in getting some scuba gear and driving the thing across an estuary
>or something, it would be fun to do, especially in someone else's truck..

There's a picture somewhere of the army testing an SIII or maybe SII set up
for deep wading - waves breaking over the windscreen.

Your main problem is air intake - if you make that tall enough, there's no
reason in principle why you can't drive with the vehicle submerged. Of
course, if you had a suitably big compressed air tank you could drive for a
strictly limited time with no external air supply. But engines use air very
much faster than people. A 2.5 4-stroke, for example, eats 1.25l of air per
revolution, so if it's doing say 2000 rpm, that's 2500l per minute.

commercial compressor tanks run at about 8 bar, normally, so in theory, a
312l tank would run the engine for a minute, although in practice, it'd stop
working before it was actually empty. dunno if you could do better with a
high-pressure oxy cylinder and a few high pressure argon or CO2 or
something, they're about 230 bar but presumably hold significantly less than
300l.

Mix O2 and CO2 at about 1:4 and you should be able to run the engine on it.
I daresay you could in principle set an engine up to run on straight oxygen,
but it might be tricky with a compression ignition.

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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >On 2006-02-28, Raoul Donschachner <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Ours was a 99, therefore without any modifications, anyway, it worked
> >>:)
> >>
> >> Probably luck :) after destrying the whole car :-(
> >
> >Yes, I was about to say, you've got the kind of luck we can all do
> >without!
> >
> >BTW my current fantasy is to kit my defender up for deep water wading,
> >as in getting some scuba gear and driving the thing across an estuary
> >or something, it would be fun to do, especially in someone else's truck..
>
> There's a picture somewhere of the army testing an SIII or maybe SII set up
> for deep wading - waves breaking over the windscreen.
>
> Your main problem is air intake - if you make that tall enough, there's no
> reason in principle why you can't drive with the vehicle submerged. Of
> course, if you had a suitably big compressed air tank you could drive for a
> strictly limited time with no external air supply. But engines use air very
> much faster than people. A 2.5 4-stroke, for example, eats 1.25l of air per
> revolution, so if it's doing say 2000 rpm, that's 2500l per minute.
>
> commercial compressor tanks run at about 8 bar, normally, so in theory, a
> 312l tank would run the engine for a minute, although in practice, it'd stop
> working before it was actually empty. dunno if you could do better with a
> high-pressure oxy cylinder and a few high pressure argon or CO2 or
> something, they're about 230 bar but presumably hold significantly less than
> 300l.
>
> Mix O2 and CO2 at about 1:4 and you should be able to run the engine on it.
> I daresay you could in principle set an engine up to run on straight oxygen,
> but it might be tricky with a compression ignition.
>

There was an atricle in one of the mags (LRM I think) some time
ago that showed 110's being waded to something like 20ft by the
Royal Marines - they had a floating snorkel or something - on of the
journo's had a go. I presume they gave in a re-breather set, or he was
very good at holding his breath..... why does the image of Clarkson
sans air supply pop into my mind......

Richard
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beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

> There was an article in one of the mags (LRM I think) some time
> ago that showed 110's being waded to something like 20ft by the
> Royal Marines - they had a floating snorkel or something - one of the
> journo's had a go. I presume they gave him a re-breather set, or he was
> very good at holding his breath..... why does the image of Clarkson
> sans air supply pop into my mind......

I'll bring the scuba gear, whose bringing the 110?
If you're 5ft 10/slim build I've even got a spare drysuit.

nigelH


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"Nigel Hewitt" <[email protected]> wrote:

> beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > There was an article in one of the mags (LRM I think) some time
> > ago that showed 110's being waded to something like 20ft by the
> > Royal Marines - they had a floating snorkel or something - one of the
> > journo's had a go. I presume they gave him a re-breather set, or he was
> > very good at holding his breath..... why does the image of Clarkson
> > sans air supply pop into my mind......
>
> I'll bring the scuba gear, whose bringing the 110?
> If you're 5ft 10/slim build I've even got a spare drysuit.

I'm more Dover Marquee Company sized......

>
> nigelH

Richard

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On 2006-03-01, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> Your main problem is air intake - if you make that tall enough,
> there's no reason in principle why you can't drive with the vehicle
> submerged.

I'd go for a socking great big pipe on top of the snorkel, and would
probably try using that for my own air supply too, depending on depth
(IIRC normal air at some depths isn't very good for you but with a
strong pipe it should be at surface pressure). Otherwise you'd be
limited by the amount of gas in the scuba tanks.

I tried breathing through a hose underwater when I was a kid, first go
I got a mouthful of dead spiders, second go it worked for the first
three breaths until I realised I was chuffing carbon dioxide into the
hose and breathing it back in. So some kind of vent valve as used on
proper gear would be the order of the day.

Of course it would be a bad idea to try any of this without a good
amount of experience at scuba diving first!

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Nigel Hewitt wrote:
> beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>There was an article in one of the mags (LRM I think) some time
>>ago that showed 110's being waded to something like 20ft by the
>>Royal Marines - they had a floating snorkel or something - one of the
>>journo's had a go. I presume they gave him a re-breather set, or he was
>>very good at holding his breath..... why does the image of Clarkson
>>sans air supply pop into my mind......
>
>
> I'll bring the scuba gear, whose bringing the 110?
> If you're 5ft 10/slim build I've even got a spare drysuit.
>
That'll fit me then. And I wonder if a couple of fire service beathing
apparatus sets might be easier - they're ok to use down to about 3
metres or so.

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....and Nigel Hewitt spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>
> I'll bring the scuba gear, whose bringing the 110?
> If you're 5ft 10/slim build I've even got a spare drysuit.

No use to me, I'm - er - too tall.

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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote in news:slrne0bsrt.f0a.news05
@desktop.tarcus.org.uk:

> On 2006-03-01, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Your main problem is air intake - if you make that tall enough,
>> there's no reason in principle why you can't drive with the vehicle
>> submerged.
>
> I'd go for a socking great big pipe on top of the snorkel, and would
> probably try using that for my own air supply too, depending on depth
> (IIRC normal air at some depths isn't very good for you but with a
> strong pipe it should be at surface pressure). Otherwise you'd be
> limited by the amount of gas in the scuba tanks.
>
> I tried breathing through a hose underwater when I was a kid, first go
> I got a mouthful of dead spiders, second go it worked for the first
> three breaths until I realised I was chuffing carbon dioxide into the
> hose and breathing it back in. So some kind of vent valve as used on
> proper gear would be the order of the day.
>
> Of course it would be a bad idea to try any of this without a good
> amount of experience at scuba diving first!
>

I bet you'd get sponsorship for that.

Got any rich enemies?<vbg>

Derry
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-03-01, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> Of course it would be a bad idea to try any of this without a good
> amount of experience at scuba diving first!

Huh?
We're putting another bunch of Sea Cadets into a 3 meter pool in
a week or so. We haven't lost any yet. Scuba has long since gone
from heroics to hobby.

No. Hang on. I didn't say that. I'm a big heroic scuba diver.
All resemblance to a small, 56 year old, balding grandfather
is mere coincidence.

nigelH
http://www.nigelhewitt.co.uk/


 
Nigel Hewitt wrote:

> Huh?
> We're putting another bunch of Sea Cadets into a 3 meter pool in
> a week or so. We haven't lost any yet. Scuba has long since gone
> from heroics to hobby.

Q. How do you stop a sea cadet from drowning?












A. Take your foot off his head. :)


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On 2006-03-01, Nigel Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Huh?
> We're putting another bunch of Sea Cadets into a 3 meter pool in
> a week or so. We haven't lost any yet. Scuba has long since gone
> from heroics to hobby.

I don't mean 10 years of experience, I mean *some*, enough to be safe,
I know that doesn't take years, although given that there's a vehicle
involved I'd suggest that erring on the side of caution would be best.

> No. Hang on. I didn't say that. I'm a big heroic scuba diver. All
> resemblance to a small, 56 year old, balding grandfather is mere
> coincidence.

All that water makes your skin wrinkly!

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On 2006-03-01, Richard Brookman <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...and Nigel Hewitt spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>> If you're 5ft 10/slim build I've even got a spare drysuit.
>
> No use to me, I'm - er - too tall.

Horizontally or vertically?

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