Getting colder, Defender refuses to crank immediately

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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Nov 20, 2004

• #1

Hi!

My wifes Defender 90 (2.5l TD 63kw, 08/1990) cranks not as willingly
as usual, seems he (yes, _he_ - my wife never would use a female car
*g*) has realized that the winter is to come, at the moment around 0
Celsius Only after a few tries he awakes, exhausting a large cloud
of smoke, then it takes about 10 seconds for him to run as smooth as
nothing had happened, if this kind of diesel engine ever runs smooth


What should we do? The battery is relatively new, and the glow plugs
had been changed one year ago or so.

What I will do is check the glow plugs; is it enough to measure the
resistance and/or power consumption of each single one, or do I have
to take them out to be sure?

Any hint is highly welcome! Thanks in advance.



regards - Ralph

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Mick

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• Nov 20, 2004

• #2

Ralph
You don't mention anything about the condition of the starter motor. If its
cranking slowly, try a different battery, then check for a bad connection.
If its still not spinning it over like it should, either get it checked out
or replace it.

From my experience of starting a 2.5TD (not Tdi), don't touch the
accelerator while starting.

Mick


"Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi!
>
> My wifes Defender 90 (2.5l TD 63kw, 08/1990) cranks not as willingly
> as usual, seems he (yes, _he_ - my wife never would use a female car
> *g*) has realized that the winter is to come, at the moment around 0
> Celsius Only after a few tries he awakes, exhausting a large cloud
> of smoke, then it takes about 10 seconds for him to run as smooth as
> nothing had happened, if this kind of diesel engine ever runs smooth
>
>
> What should we do? The battery is relatively new, and the glow plugs
> had been changed one year ago or so.
>
> What I will do is check the glow plugs; is it enough to measure the
> resistance and/or power consumption of each single one, or do I have
> to take them out to be sure?
>
> Any hint is highly welcome! Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> regards - Ralph
>
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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Nov 20, 2004

• #3

"Mick" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ralph
>You don't mention anything about the condition of the starter motor. If its
>cranking slowly, try a different battery, then check for a bad connection.

It does not seem slow to me at all; of course I do not have a seconbd
defender to compare, but it sounds quite noemal.

>From my experience of starting a 2.5TD (not Tdi), don't touch the
>accelerator while starting.

We do not, we just have to when the engine started to keep it alive
for the firt seconds.

>Mick




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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Nov 20, 2004

• #4

Mr.Nice. <mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote:

>Is the starter merrily turning? if not it may me a dodgy earth meaning
>the starter is not getting it's full amount of power.

Like I just posted, it seems OK.

>Talking of power, is the battery good?

It is about 18 months old, and the car usually does not have to do
trips below 45 km, so the battery is charged, and it does not seem to
be weak at all.



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beamendsltd

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• Nov 22, 2004

• #5

In message <[email protected]>
"Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> My wifes Defender 90 (2.5l TD 63kw, 08/1990) cranks not as willingly
> as usual, seems he (yes, _he_ - my wife never would use a female car
> *g*) has realized that the winter is to come, at the moment around 0
> Celsius Only after a few tries he awakes, exhausting a large cloud
> of smoke, then it takes about 10 seconds for him to run as smooth as
> nothing had happened, if this kind of diesel engine ever runs smooth
>
>
> What should we do? The battery is relatively new, and the glow plugs
> had been changed one year ago or so.
>
> What I will do is check the glow plugs; is it enough to measure the
> resistance and/or power consumption of each single one, or do I have
> to take them out to be sure?
>
> Any hint is highly welcome! Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> regards - Ralph
>

Hi Ralph - get a jump lead and connect it from battery -ve
to a suitable point on the engine block. If the engine now
cranks better you have a bad earth, usually between the
starter and chassis.

All the 4-cylinder diesels before the 200Tdi will not
start easily (or at all) if they cannot be cranked fast
enough, and the problem is usually down to bad earths.

Cheers
Richard
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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Nov 22, 2004

• #6

beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi Ralph - get a jump lead and connect it from battery -ve
>to a suitable point on the engine block. If the engine now
>cranks better you have a bad earth, usually between the
>starter and chassis.

Hey, sounds like a good practical hint; this I will try these days.

>All the 4-cylinder diesels before the 200Tdi will not
>start easily (or at all) if they cannot be cranked fast
>enough, and the problem is usually down to bad earths.

Yes, I am hearing more and more of this *g*



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90ninety

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• Nov 23, 2004

• #7

Had a bad earth to the starter on 'Jasmine'. Made my own lead from
battery -ve to starter motor body and now it spins much, much faster.
Another problem I have had is a broken wire to the glow plugs. They all
looked great but only the first plug was actually doing any work. Usually
took 2 or 3 tries to start the engine. Rewired the plugs, and now, along
with the starter motor earthing she fires up first time, even when it
was -3degC last week!!!

Stew.

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2002 Freelander Td4 ES (wifes)


"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>
> "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> My wifes Defender 90 (2.5l TD 63kw, 08/1990) cranks not as willingly
>> as usual, seems he (yes, _he_ - my wife never would use a female car
>> *g*) has realized that the winter is to come, at the moment around 0
>> Celsius Only after a few tries he awakes, exhausting a large cloud
>> of smoke, then it takes about 10 seconds for him to run as smooth as
>> nothing had happened, if this kind of diesel engine ever runs smooth
>>
>>
>> What should we do? The battery is relatively new, and the glow plugs
>> had been changed one year ago or so.
>>
>> What I will do is check the glow plugs; is it enough to measure the
>> resistance and/or power consumption of each single one, or do I have
>> to take them out to be sure?
>>
>> Any hint is highly welcome! Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> regards - Ralph
>>
>
> Hi Ralph - get a jump lead and connect it from battery -ve
> to a suitable point on the engine block. If the engine now
> cranks better you have a bad earth, usually between the
> starter and chassis.
>
> All the 4-cylinder diesels before the 200Tdi will not
> start easily (or at all) if they cannot be cranked fast
> enough, and the problem is usually down to bad earths.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems

 

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Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

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• Nov 23, 2004

• #8

"90ninety" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Had a bad earth to the starter on 'Jasmine'. Made my own lead from
>battery -ve to starter motor body and now it spins much, much faster.
> Another problem I have had is a broken wire to the glow plugs. They all
>looked great but only the first plug was actually doing any work. Usually
>took 2 or 3 tries to start the engine. Rewired the plugs, and now, along
>with the starter motor earthing she fires up first time, even when it
>was -3degC last week!!!

We will do some research this weekend, when we can have a look at the
cold engine at daylight; before work, in the dark at 6 AM or so, this
would be no fun at all

So I will take two advices from all the very helpful replies, look at
the battery and ground connection, and checking evrything around the
glow plugs.

Thank you all!

>Stew.




regards - Ralph

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