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Dave White ([email protected]) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

> is all a cunning
> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.

No point in owning one otherwise....

On 30 Jan 2005 21:28:32 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

>Dave White ([email protected]) gurgled happily,
>sounding much like they were saying :
>
>> is all a cunning
>> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.
>
>No point in owning one otherwise....

I need mine to take the kids to school!

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Rooney ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

>>> is all a cunning
>>> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.

>>No point in owning one otherwise....

> I need mine to take the kids to school!

Why a 4x4? Why not a car or - if there's a lot of kids - a people carrier?

On 30 Jan 2005 22:13:55 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

>Rooney ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>saying :
>
>>>> is all a cunning
>>>> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.
>
>>>No point in owning one otherwise....
>
>> I need mine to take the kids to school!
>
>Why a 4x4? Why not a car or - if there's a lot of kids - a people carrier?

People carrier? Where would my street cred be?!?
The desired feeling of superiority can only be had in a 4x4. It also
comes in handy for taking the horses to shows and camping in wild
places.

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On or around 30 Jan 2005 22:13:55 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Rooney ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>saying :
>
>>>> is all a cunning
>>>> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.
>
>>>No point in owning one otherwise....
>
>> I need mine to take the kids to school!
>
>Why a 4x4? Why not a car or - if there's a lot of kids - a people carrier?

I'd like to see a people-carrier cope with the route I do taking kids to
school (not mine, paid w*rk for the council). Complete with about 10 miles
a day on unsurfaced road.
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"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>On or around 30 Jan 2005 22:13:55 GMT, Adrian <[email protected]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Rooney ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>>saying :
>>
>>>>> is all a cunning
>>>>> smoke screen to ensure that everyone that owns a 4x4 uses it off road.
>>
>>>>No point in owning one otherwise....
>>
>>> I need mine to take the kids to school!
>>
>>Why a 4x4? Why not a car or - if there's a lot of kids - a people carrier?
>
>I'd like to see a people-carrier cope with the route I do taking kids to
>school (not mine, paid w*rk for the council). Complete with about 10 miles
>a day on unsurfaced road.
4x4 People Carrier such as the Espace?
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hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

Adrian wrote:
> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem

*Do* they? What problem do they cause that a large
saloon or MPV does not also cause?

-- Steve

Adrian wrote:
> The point is NOT off-roaders used off-road. It's "Chelsea Tractors".

Maybe. But the problem is legislation to tackle the
perceived problems that some people claim "Chelsea
Tractors" cause will very likely impact people who
own off-roaders to use off road. Except perhaps
ones used solely and truly off road (not registered
for the road, not even used on PROW, not even used
for an *occasional* errand in town, etc etc).

-- Steve

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:40:30 -0000, "Steve Hunt" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Adrian wrote:
>> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
>> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem
>
>*Do* they? What problem do they cause that a large
>saloon or MPV does not also cause?
>
>-- Steve
>


It's their height, man! They are higher. They take up more air.

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On or around Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:46:40 +0000, Rooney <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:40:30 -0000, "Steve Hunt" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Adrian wrote:
>>> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
>>> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem
>>
>>*Do* they? What problem do they cause that a large
>>saloon or MPV does not also cause?
>>
>>-- Steve
>>
>
>
>It's their height, man! They are higher. They take up more air.

Actually, I reckon it's jealousy on the part of those whose garage is too
small to put one in.

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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588

In message <[email protected]>
Rooney <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:40:30 -0000, "Steve Hunt" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Adrian wrote:
> >> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
> >> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem
> >
> >*Do* they? What problem do they cause that a large
> >saloon or MPV does not also cause?
> >
> >-- Steve
> >
>
>
> It's their height, man! They are higher. They take up more air.
>

Have a look at Jeep Cherokee alongside almost any MPV - which
is taller?

Richard
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In news:[email protected],
Rooney <[email protected]> blithered:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:40:30 -0000, "Steve Hunt" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Adrian wrote:
>>> Similarly unarguable is that there ARE a lot of utterly pointless
>>> 4x4s in urban areas and that they DO cause a big problem
>>
>> *Do* they? What problem do they cause that a large
>> saloon or MPV does not also cause?
>>
>> -- Steve
>>
>
>
> It's their height, man! They are higher. They take up more air.


With respect sir, they are unlikely to be as high or indeed as large as your
average bus!
Which does more damage a DPV, HGV, or Bus?

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doing it."

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maybe skydiving's not for you!

Austin Shackles wrote:
> Actually, I reckon it's jealousy on the part of those whose garage is
> too small to put one in.

I really doubt jealousy comes into it.

In my opinion there are a lot of people who
just want to be "against something". And perhaps
more importantly want to be *seen* to be against
whatever it's currently thought fashionable to
be against by their peer group. They latch onto
anything that can be readily villified. Minority
activities are always a good target because
the mass of population has at best a hazy
grasp of the real issues (if any) and can
easily be led into accepting an extremely
biassed view.

-- Steve

In message <[email protected]>
"Steve Hunt" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > Actually, I reckon it's jealousy on the part of those whose garage is
> > too small to put one in.
>
> I really doubt jealousy comes into it.
>
> In my opinion there are a lot of people who
> just want to be "against something". And perhaps
> more importantly want to be *seen* to be against
> whatever it's currently thought fashionable to
> be against by their peer group. They latch onto
> anything that can be readily villified. Minority
> activities are always a good target because
> the mass of population has at best a hazy
> grasp of the real issues (if any) and can
> easily be led into accepting an extremely
> biassed view.
>
> -- Steve
>
>

Agreed 100% - plus it's a bonus to them if the
subject of the anti-ness might imply that those
who should be antied against may be wealthy and/or
enjoying life.

Richard

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