Freelander 2 (LR2) Gearbox / drive issue

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Ok folks in info or help appreciated.
Stopped my 2011 FL2 TD4auto to reverse park into a space.
Car wouldn't move back at any kind of pace and when it hit the up slope had to rev it well above normal.
Put it into drive same thing. Moved between drive and reverse but still the same.
Left over night and now drives with no issues
Local garage ( not LR specialist) put on diagnostics nothing...
Any hints or point in direction of investigations would be much appreciated ...thanks in advance cheers
 
Mungojerry said:
It's due for replacement this may as it's hit its age limit mileage on car is just turned 60'000 so not to excessive
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I'd do the auto box fluid first, as that might fix the issue. Mileage isn't excessive, but it's almost a decade old, so will be well past its best.

Have the Haldex fluid and filter replaced and the pump gauze cleaned at the same time. ;)
 
Nodge68 said:
I'd do the auto box fluid first, as that might fix the issue. Mileage isn't excessive, but it's almost a decade old, so will be well past its best.

Have the Haldex fluid and filter replaced and the pump gauze cleaned at the same time. ;)
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Nodge68 said:
I'd do the auto box fluid first, as that might fix the issue. Mileage isn't excessive, but it's almost a decade old, so will be well past its best.

Have the Haldex fluid and filter replaced and the pump gauze cleaned at the same time. ;)
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I had the haldex pump serviced last year when i had been having an issue with the car previously and was looking around on the forum it came up in conversations a few times that it's not listed as part of the service schedules.
So I took the advise and had it done....
After three years I'm starting to see the love hate relationship of these cars and their owners.
Loads of niggles and minor stuff but nothing major as yet....touch wood.
Thanks for the advice...
What are the chats like on here, I haven't ventured into anything as I'm very much green behind the ears but starting to earn my spurs on ownership.
 
Stv123 said:
It would be interesting to see how much auto fluid comes out and what colour.
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I was reading up on the service schedule after going through some investigations on line.
Was surprised to see it as only every ten years or I think it was 120k thought it would be sooner..
I'm not sure what to expecting
 
Mungojerry said:
I was reading up on the service schedule after going through some investigations on line.
Was surprised to see it as only every ten years or I think it was 120k thought it would be sooner..
I'm not sure what to expecting
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Yes it's too long, as is the fluid changes for all transmission components.
The gearbox, Haldex, PTU and rear diff, should be changed long before LR say, say 3 to 5 year intervals, or 40 to 60k miles.
Leaving the fluid to degrade over a decade of driving, simply shortens the life of the components the fluid is supposed to be protecting.

The Haldex is a classic example of this. LR says 10 years/ 150k miles, but the same Haldex unit in a VW is 3 years or 40k miles, simply because the fluid won't do its job if left longer.
The auto box will be the same, so change the fluid and see if that cures your issue.
 
Nodge68 said:
Yes it's too long, as is the fluid changes for all transmission components.
The gearbox, Haldex, PTU and rear diff, should be changed long before LR say, say 3 to 5 year intervals, or 40 to 60k miles.
Leaving the fluid to degrade over a decade of driving, simply shortens the life of the components the fluid is supposed to be protecting.

The Haldex is a classic example of this. LR says 10 years/ 150k miles, but the same Haldex unit in a VW is 3 years or 40k miles, simply because the fluid won't do its job if left longer.
The auto box will be the same, so change the fluid and see if that cures your issue.[/QUOT
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As you trust manufacturers to be aware of the best way to look after the major components you trust them....to build their schedule for each model to match for best practice...
The learning curve of all things land Rover is steep...
It also makes me wonder about other things as timing belt is due at either 10 years or 120k as well.
Had just asked for the cost of doing that a few days ago as well ☹️☹️
 
Mungojerry said:
As you trust manufacturers to be aware of the best way to look after the major components you trust them....to build their schedule for each model to match for best practice..
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In my experience, I know that no fluid will last more than a few years, before it's degradation starts to cause issues to the components it's supposed to be protecting.
Lots of manufacturers used ridiculously long fluid changes, not just LR, normally stating the components are "filled for life", which of course is complete BS, as not changing fluids actually causes the components fail prematurely, often before the fluid change is due. This of course gives the owner of the vehicle a high repair bill, for something that wouldn't have failed in the first place, if the fluids had been changed regularly.

The timing belt will last 10 years, and thankfully isn't that expensive to change. It's under £100 for the full kit and is only a couple of hours work, for someone experienced in changing a PSA DW12 timing belt.
 
Nodge68 said:
In my experience, I know that no fluid will last more than a few years, before it's degradation starts to cause issues to the components it's supposed to be protecting.
Lots of manufacturers used ridiculously long fluid changes, not just LR, normally stating the components are "filled for life", which of course is complete BS, as not changing fluids actually causes the components fail prematurely, often before the fluid change is due. This of course gives the owner of the vehicle a high repair bill, for something that wouldn't have failed in the first place, if the fluids had been changed regularly.

The timing belt will last 10 years, and thankfully isn't that expensive to change. It's under £100 for the full kit and is only a couple of hours work, for someone experienced in changing a PSA DW12 timing belt.
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That makes a lot of sense when you process it.
But I suppose that's why there seems to be so many people having gearbox issues as they are following the schedule.
So what other things are worth checking over, what about diffs and transfer boxes and the turbo anything that's a common issue on them that's spotable in advance ??
 
Mungojerry said:
So what other things are worth checking over, what about diffs and transfer boxes and the turbo anything that's a common issue on them that's spotable in advance ??
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Rear diff and PTU oil will need changing, long before LR say it's due. I've just fitted a replacement diff, as mine seized solid, although that as due to it being completely empty of oil. :(
I'm doing the PTU and gearbox oil next weekend, as I can guarantee that they've not been changed yet.
 
Seasoned FL2 owners change the auto gearbox fluid every 50k miles. The process is a partial change which is good enough.

Change the haldex oil every 20k miles.
Change the haldex filter ever 40k miles.
 
Hippo said:
Change the haldex oil every 20k miles.
Change the haldex filter ever 40k miles.
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I can't see the point in changing the fluid, without doing the filter at the same time. It takes just a few extra minutes to do the filter, and a clogged filter will damage the pump. IMO it's better to do a proper service at 30k miles, than a partial service at 20k.

It's not difficult.

I've done a guide, which is in my sig.;)
 
Nodge68 said:
I can't see the point in changing the fluid, without doing the filter at the same time. It takes just a few extra minutes to do the filter, and a clogged filter will damage the pump. IMO it's better to do a proper service at 30k miles, than a partial service at 20k.

It's not difficult.

I've done a guide, which is in my sig.;)
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Peeps on Freel2 have been looking after haldex's for many more years than we have. I'm on there too. There's video's on youtube how to do the change. The 20k oil the 40k oil/filter rule is followed by those who want to protect their haldex. It was also supported at the time by a haldex reconditionner who regularly see's the condition of oil/filters and helped with the advice. These figures are put forward for preventative maintenance in order to minimise the risk of haldex failure.

You can do the filter change more often if you wish, but advising peeps to do the oil change less often is too risky. The haldex oil needs changed every 20k miles. Filter and oil every 40k miles.
 
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