Fuel Pump vs Timing

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Paul S. Brown

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• Oct 14, 2005

• #1

Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
reckon a problem with the pump.

Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
what a possible solution would be?

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SimonJ

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• Oct 14, 2005

• #2

> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.
>
> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
> what a possible solution would be?
>
What was the problem with the vehicle in the first place?

 

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EMB

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• Oct 14, 2005

• #3

Paul S. Brown wrote:
> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.
>
> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
> what a possible solution would be?

A diesel will either not run or hardly run with the pump a tooth out so
I'm guessing that it was originally ok even if the marks appeared wrong.
This won't be the first set of incorrect pump timing marks I've seen.

Throw the belt on it as it originally was then time the pump properly -
if it can be timed to spec like this then I'd just reassemble and drive it.


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EMB

 

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PDannyD

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• Oct 14, 2005

• #4

On Friday 14 October 2005 16:24, Paul S. Brown([email protected])
wrote in message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>

> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
> put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
> reckon a problem with the pump.

Yes, it's one tooth out from where it was.

Did it run well enough before the spanner monkeys were let loose on it? If
so, get them to move the pump back to where it was.

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TonyB

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• Oct 14, 2005

• #5

> A diesel will either not run or hardly run with the pump a tooth out so
> I'm guessing that it was originally ok even if the marks appeared wrong.
> This won't be the first set of incorrect pump timing marks I've seen.

I'd agree with that. I had a cavalier that was aid to be out but one tooth
either way from where it should have been and it just about ran, sounded
like someone shaking bolts in an empty biscuit tin.
TonyB

 

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Marc Draper

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• Oct 15, 2005

• #6

In message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
<[email protected]> writes
>Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when they
>put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start - they
>reckon a problem with the pump.
>
>Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>what a possible solution would be?
>
>P.


Are the people changing your belt LR specialists?

If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK after!

The pump timing is easy to set up if you have the right timing pins and
there should never be any doubt whether it is right or not.
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Marc Draper

 

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Paul S. Brown

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• Oct 15, 2005

• #7

SimonJ wrote:

>
>> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when
>> they put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start
>> - they reckon a problem with the pump.
>>
>> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>> what a possible solution would be?
>>
> What was the problem with the vehicle in the first place?

It was in for a timing belt replacement (162k - never had a belt in the
50k I've owned it - didn't feel like taking chances) and they called me
to say it was a tooth off on the timing.

However it wouldn't start when it was bang on on the timing and they
thought it was a pump fault that they couldn't touch.

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Paul S. Brown

Guest

• Oct 15, 2005

• #8

Marc Draper wrote:

> In message <3059615.00NM52nKzh@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
> <[email protected]> writes
>>Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when
>>they put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start -
>>they reckon a problem with the pump.
>>
>>Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>>what a possible solution would be?
>>
>>P.
>
>
> Are the people changing your belt LR specialists?
>

Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.


> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
> after!

OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing levels of
black smoke and dropping power for a while which may actually have been
down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't been changed in a
long, long, long time.


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Marc Draper

Guest

• Oct 15, 2005

• #9

In message <2627789.DuiPim8Qex@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
<[email protected]> writes
>Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.
>
>
>> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
>> after!
>
>OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing levels of
>black smoke and dropping power for a while which may actually have been
>down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't been changed in a
>long, long, long time.


Well they should know what they are talking about.

a clogged fuel filter should not give you black smoke but an air filter
would.

I would guess that have offered to have your pump checked out by a
specialist?

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Marc Draper

 

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the ickys

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• Oct 16, 2005

• #10

Marc Draper wrote:
> In message <2627789.DuiPim8Qex@PolMobile>, Paul S. Brown
> <[email protected]> writes
>> Steve Parker Landrover who I got a few recommendations on here.
>>
>>
>>> If it was running ok before the belt change then it should run OK
>>> after!
>>
>> OK yes, but it had been having some odd problems with climbing
>> levels of black smoke and dropping power for a while which may
>> actually have been down to the fuel filter which I discovered hadn't
>> been changed in a long, long, long time.
>
>
> Well they should know what they are talking about.
>
> a clogged fuel filter should not give you black smoke but an air
> filter would.
>
> I would guess that have offered to have your pump checked out by a
> specialist?

Could it be possible that whoever fit the previos belt got it wrong and
adjusted the pump timing to compensate? I would check the adjustment slots
on the pump for marks

Icky

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Oct 16, 2005

• #11

On or around Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:30:46 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>SimonJ wrote:
>
>>
>>> Just been told that the timing on my 200TDI is 1 tooth off but when
>>> they put it back to the timing it should be then the car won't start
>>> - they reckon a problem with the pump.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any idea what the heck might be going on here, and
>>> what a possible solution would be?
>>>
>> What was the problem with the vehicle in the first place?
>
>It was in for a timing belt replacement (162k - never had a belt in the
>50k I've owned it - didn't feel like taking chances) and they called me
>to say it was a tooth off on the timing.
>
>However it wouldn't start when it was bang on on the timing and they
>thought it was a pump fault that they couldn't touch.
>
>P.

If they've reset the timing belt side of the timing, the pump is now out of
time, if it was adjusted previously: If the pump has been adjusted to get
it to run right with the belt one tooth out (and also the pump timting
pulley and the cam timing pulley, by inference) then puttign the belt on
"correct" will effectively move the pump off time. You then eed to retime
the pump.
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