Foolish Boy - 101

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 18, 2005

• #21

On or around Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:39:50 +0100, David French
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >How hard is it to actually manouver that monster?
>>
>> I bet it scrubs the tyres...
>
>Pretty, and yes, respectively. It's not got power steering, so it's
>just a liiiiitle heavy for low-speed manoeuvring. The tyre scrub is
>just something you try to minimise by making wide turns. A couple of
>people have suggested a hydraulic system for raising the rear axle...
>
>When I picked it up, I drove into Somerfields car park to buy my dinner,
>and the diff lock came on and stuck on. Trying to turn it on tarmac
>with the diff lock stuck on is not pretty.

I still say that if I get around to making this:

http://www.roman-road.co.uk/temp/long_disco1.jpg

then it'll have a counter-steering back axle.

Better paintwork, too, I'd like to hope - just occurred to me that the
middle window might be tricky like that, it might need to have more of a
pillar and have a standard-sized one.

--
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"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

 

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David French

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• Apr 18, 2005

• #22

In article <[email protected]>,
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> I still say that if I get around to making this:
>
> http://www.roman-road.co.uk/temp/long_disco1.jpg
>
> then it'll have a counter-steering back axle.

Kevin was thinking of putting a steering axle on the rear of the 101,
but just floating, ie not connected to the steering gear. In forward
motion, it would act just like an axle being towed on an a-bar, so the
castor effect would make it follow the right track.

Of course, if you went into reverse, it would all get mashed up, so
you'd need a way of locking it when you reversed.

You could also wire it into the steering somehow, but gear it
differently, proportionally to its distance from the middle axle. But
that all sounds much too difficult for me, so I'll stick with scrubbing
tyres.

David

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 18, 2005

• #23

On or around Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:39:41 +0100, David French
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I still say that if I get around to making this:
>>
>> http://www.roman-road.co.uk/temp/long_disco1.jpg
>>
>> then it'll have a counter-steering back axle.
>
>Kevin was thinking of putting a steering axle on the rear of the 101,
>but just floating, ie not connected to the steering gear. In forward
>motion, it would act just like an axle being towed on an a-bar, so the
>castor effect would make it follow the right track.
>
>Of course, if you went into reverse, it would all get mashed up, so
>you'd need a way of locking it when you reversed.

they must have such a system on the back of tri-axle semi-trailers which
self-steer, I assume.

>You could also wire it into the steering somehow, but gear it
>differently, proportionally to its distance from the middle axle. But
>that all sounds much too difficult for me, so I'll stick with scrubbing
>tyres.

I figure all it needs is some modified steering arms and a link from front
to back. OK, there are details to sort, but then there always are.

It'd probably need PAS, but then the discos already have that...

--
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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 18, 2005

• #24

On or around Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:06:26 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>that looks jolly tasty Austin..
>
it'd look better with a bit more effort in photoshop


actualy, the original plan was for a 90/130 defender, but a 100/140 disco or
RR has its attractions.

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Andy.Smalley

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• Apr 19, 2005

• #25

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:39:41 +0100, David French
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I still say that if I get around to making this:
>>>
>>> http://www.roman-road.co.uk/temp/long_disco1.jpg
>>>
>>> then it'll have a counter-steering back axle.
>>
>>Kevin was thinking of putting a steering axle on the rear of the 101,
>>but just floating, ie not connected to the steering gear. In forward
>>motion, it would act just like an axle being towed on an a-bar, so the
>>castor effect would make it follow the right track.
>>
>>Of course, if you went into reverse, it would all get mashed up, so
>>you'd need a way of locking it when you reversed.
>
> they must have such a system on the back of tri-axle semi-trailers which
> self-steer, I assume.
>


the ones I've worked on have an air chamber that puts a wedge or pin in to
lock the track rod
sometimes this can be over ridden by putting the rear fog lights on while
applying the brake (the question though is why?)
--
Andy

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 19, 2005

• #26

On or around Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:59:01 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>
>email en-route.
>I like the idea, my main concern with my impending disco purchase is
>the lack of space from my 110 csw.
>

in fact, although the disco body is shorter, the rear space is more usable
than on the 110. For carrying big things, the middle row seats come out
fairly easily, too.


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and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
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Mark Williamson

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• Apr 20, 2005

• #27

Well, Thanks for the advice and discussion. Deposit paid, pick it up Next
week.

More stupid questions appearing here soon......


"MVP" <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:52:27 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:06:26 +0100, MVP
>><mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>that looks jolly tasty Austin..
>>>
>>it'd look better with a bit more effort in photoshop
>>
>>
>>actualy, the original plan was for a 90/130 defender, but a 100/140 disco
>>or
>>RR has its attractions.
>
> email en-route.
> I like the idea, my main concern with my impending disco purchase is
> the lack of space from my 110 csw.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.
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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 20, 2005

• #28

On or around Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:37:51 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:23:50 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:59:01 +0100, MVP
>><mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>email en-route.
>>>I like the idea, my main concern with my impending disco purchase is
>>>the lack of space from my 110 csw.
>>>
>>
>>in fact, although the disco body is shorter, the rear space is more usable
>>than on the 110. For carrying big things, the middle row seats come out
>>fairly easily, too.
>
>not sure about that, from my point of view anyway.
>I had, on saturday, 9 people in my 110csw, and my tools. simply not
>possible in a disco infact I'd be restricted to 5 people or 7 if I
>took my tools out.

we got a washing machine in ours the other day, by folding half the split
seat, standing up in the back.

but yeah, they're not as big. However, the space is more accessible thanks
to the wider door.

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Dave Liquorice

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• Apr 20, 2005

• #29

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:37:51 +0100, MVP wrote:

> and the rear space in the 110 is 4 feet deep, so I could get a
> washing machine or similar in there easy without having to faff with
> the folding seats or remove said tools.

The spacing between the lashing points in the back of disco is 30"+ so
bigger than the base of a standard 60cm square domestic applicance...
Not sure about the height but I feel it is there.

But you couldn't get 7 in and a washing machine, and the rear seats in
the DII are really only for littlies. Adults would find them *very*
cramped for a journey.

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Dave Liquorice

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• Apr 21, 2005

• #30

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:09:20 +0100, MVP wrote:

>> The spacing between the lashing points in the back of disco is 30"+

But the middle seat leans back over the forward lashing points so you
only have 70cm from the back of the seat (with load cover roller blind
in place) to the rear door pocket.

Width is just 90cm (with the jump seats, they narrow the space
considerably for 10cm or so a few cm above the floor). Door opening
height 104cm. Easy peasy for 60x60x90 washing machine. The SLS/Air
suspension might be useful as well, get the remote dubbery and you can
lower the back end a few inches. Helps with the otherwise 70cm lift
but you'll be used to that. B-)

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 22, 2005

• #31

On or around Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:08:38 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>yea, alright, talked me into it. lol.
>have to make make sure the floor isn't rotten ot the said washing
>machine will be riding on the axle.

hehe.

Lemme know if you want a 6-wheeler made

Actually, in all truth, I'd rather do the 90/130 project first - bodywork's
easier to manage.

Although in fact for carrying capacity you want the transit-110 hybrid :-D

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and those who can't" (Anon)

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 22, 2005

• #32

On or around Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:41:33 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:09:20 +0100, MVP wrote:
>
>>> The spacing between the lashing points in the back of disco is 30"+
>
>But the middle seat leans back over the forward lashing points so you
>only have 70cm from the back of the seat (with load cover roller blind
>in place) to the rear door pocket.
>
>Width is just 90cm (with the jump seats, they narrow the space
>considerably for 10cm or so a few cm above the floor). Door opening
>height 104cm. Easy peasy for 60x60x90 washing machine. The SLS/Air
>suspension might be useful as well, get the remote dubbery and you can
>lower the back end a few inches. Helps with the otherwise 70cm lift
>but you'll be used to that. B-)

Depends if you're looking at a disco I or a disco II, though, the disco I
jump seats are better in all respects except orientation (sideways) - more
useable, fold up smaller... I'd still not want to sit on one for an extended
period, mind.


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"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Apr 22, 2005

• #33

On or around Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:41:34 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:36:53 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:08:38 +0100, MVP
>><mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>yea, alright, talked me into it. lol.
>>>have to make make sure the floor isn't rotten ot the said washing
>>>machine will be riding on the axle.
>>
>>hehe.
>>
>>Lemme know if you want a 6-wheeler made
>>
>>Actually, in all truth, I'd rather do the 90/130 project first - bodywork's
>>easier to manage.
>>
>>Although in fact for carrying capacity you want the transit-110 hybrid :-D
>
>well I doubt I can afford any of the above, but I'm very interested in
>how you get on if/when you have a go at any of those.

arwell, there's the rub, innit. *I* can't afford 'em either.

If I could find someone who wants a 4x4 rovertransit (or land-transit,
maybe) and was prepared to pay for it, I'd have a go at making one.
Actually, I've yet to measure the transit body - but it looks the right
size, and since it becomes almost-all non-structural[1], there's no problem
about cutting it to fit if necessary.

[1] with notable exceptions like the bits where the seatbelts mount, for
example.
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- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'