Finding gree lanes, what I do ...

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Paul D

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Green Lanes … finding them!!

So you’ve got the Landrover and you want to use it, but where to go?

There’s a bit of preparation required, I won’t discuss the Landy prep as that’s covered elsewhere, but preparation for finding, and making sure they’re legal, green lanes to drive.

First step get an Ordnance Survey map of your area. 1:25k is best, 1:50k is also very useful as an overall and quick guide. Get yourself familiar with the main OS key (slightly different for each map scale, particularly the keys for roads of all types below A or B road status. Not all ‘green lanes’ are byways, some cracking lanes can be had by following up unclassified roads.

So, Key 1, the Explorer 1:25k, Orange coloured paper maps. We’re only interested in roads and rights of way at the moment.

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So look at the map, we can mostly discount the Motorway system and A & B roads as only being useful to get somewhere, the roads and tracks we need to look for are …


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All of which can be useful to us, especially the unfenced roads as they are also sometimes single-track, un-kept and can be really quite rough .. just what we want!

However, the ‘real’ green-lanes are amongst the following.

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The lanes of interest to us are the boats. Byway open to all traffic.

Restricted Byways (formerly rupps) are supposedly of no use (legally) for vehicular use any more, but more of that later. We CANNOT drive on footpaths or bridleways, end of ! Unfortunately many footpaths and bridlepaths are obviously used by 4x4’s (or vehicles at least) but local farmers are likely to have an agricultural easement for access to use these, so just because they’re allowed to doesn’t mean we can!

The 'other public access' routes are also useful in that many long distance rights of way are open to vehicles, such as Peddars Way in Norfolk. Again, these are potentially interesting if there's one near you, but check it's legality first!


So, it’s the lines of green crosses that denote the lanes we can drive on. They are often un-kempt, scratchy, boggy/muddy and rutted as there are too few of them for the number of people who want to drive them. But they are the gold-dust we want … ;)

So, what do they look like on a real map? How can we tell they’re legal, and how can we tell they might be interesting?

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You can see the line of green crosses going from A to B or vice-versa. This is a Byway Open to All Traffic, a BOAT, and we can legally drive it. Indeed it’s close to my area and I know it’s also marked BYWAY with a proper signpost at each end.

I know it’s legal because I’ve been onto the local councils website and searched their rights of way section where it’s named as a legal Byway and mentioned on the definitive map. Ordnance Survey get a lot of their information from the definitive maps so a lot of the time what’s on the map should be OK to drive, but it’s worth checking first as a section 59 notice won’t be a pleasant addition to your paperwork! To check legality you need to note the grid reference points at start and end of the lane, then either visit your local council website, phone the rights of way officer, or visit the council offices in person. I’ve done all three of these to check lanes before and will continue to do so in future as I’m a married man who has a wife and kids and I don’t want to be taken to court by our draconian rights of way and justice system. (rant over!)

So how do we know it’s interesting? Well, we don’t until we drive it, but some clues are there. Contour lines, the brown coloured squiggly marks. This area is flat, so anywhere with a couple of contours on it should at least have a little gradient or slope, OK, in this case it’s not much, but it’s there and is not far off the only place around with some. The little blue squiggly line running North to South at about 2/3rds across from the left is a river or stream, so potential for a ford or at least boggy ground. I this case it’s a bit boggy and while it looks innocuous enough, there’s so much water about, even in hot weather, that the ground sinks under your wheels a little which can be a bit awkward and definitely gives you a queasy feeling. (Close to Hatfield and Thorne Peat Marshes)

Somewhere a bit more likely as a green lane that might be interesting, ie steep, boggy, whatever and why we don’t totally ignore the Restricted Byway or RUPPs (Lines of green alternating T’s) until we know their legal status and why we have to speak with the local authorities …

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This is a really interesting set of lanes, all marked on the map as restricted byways but all the restricted bits are actually now BOATS on the Definitive Map and are also properly signposted as Byways ... an obvious example of maps not keeping up with the legal system and a good demonstration of the need to check legality. The lanes we can’t legally drive are the bridlepaths, which are clearly visible between A and B, heading North from A and heading East near the ‘L’ of Hangingside Lane and a couple of footpaths.

So, what makes this set of lanes look interesting on the map and worthy of following up?

First thing is the contour lines, the tracks are all on the side of a hill, going up it, traversing it, following contours and crossing contours. There’s a river at the bottom of the hill so the tracks heading West (ish) from A, B and D might be washed out with rainwater run-off from the hill and fields, there’s a small valley toward the centre/east that one lane goes through. Lots of clues that it’s possibly an area worth looking at and worth taking some time and effort first to research the legalities, before driving out there, especially if as is my case, it’s quite far away.

In fact it’s a great area, the track heading East up the small valley to B, though only maybe 100 yards long is narrow, steep sided, washed out and is a minor challenge in itself, but most 4x4 drivers don’t drive it!?!? Short but very sweet. Hangingside Lane is used far too much, probably because it is reasonably long, but it’s extremely rutted. It can be driven by standard Discos/Freelanders if care is taken to straddle ruts instead of trying to blast through. Care and technique wins over brute force here, but unfortunately you can't tell that from the map, so it needs to be driven out to and driven over to know!. The lane heading South from D is also a bit rutted and can easily catch people out, clay, mud, ruts and tree roots all combine to make it a bit of a challenge, with (which can’t be seen on the pic) to the south a steep exit, blind onto an A road!

So that’s it, that's in a nutshell what I look for on a map, spotting the clues to how good a lane might be, and what to do to check legality. Once you get into map-reading and relating the lines and colours on paper to the hills, lanes and other features of real life you also get to know all the other clues and map-reading becomes a bit like reading a book, you can actually seee the places in your mind way before you visit them!

I can’t and won’t take any responsibility for anyone using this information in any way, the above is what I do to find lanes, if you use it that’s nice, but if you then drive illegally it’s nothing to do with me, I wasn’t there, it was the other three .. OK … ;)

Have fun …..
 
Great, cheers

Also, your local council will normally have a website or a phone number to ring to check on restrictions..

e.g. Here is the Wiltshire one

Rights of Way Closures

Very useful for keeping as upto date as you can. There is still always a chance you could miss something but hey, at least we are trying to do it right

Thanks again, great thread
 
Great post paul if only i had this a week ago will get myself a good map of doncaster today, do you know were is best to get one? or could you pm me with more details about your examples. cheers mate
 
Great post paul if only i had this a week ago will get myself a good map of doncaster today, do you know were is best to get one? or could you pm me with more details about your examples. cheers mate

pm me your email address, can't send attachments by pm.
 
I need to get one! Big thanks to Paul for the email looks like I'm going for a drive this weekend! Will let you know how I get on, bein my first outing and all.
 
good info i have only been looking at the boats but will av a look at the restricted byways now as there is loads around here but i had discounted them, thanks alot
 
Nice one Paul!!

what do you reckon on driving on the single dots and diamond shape lanes?
above refered to as "other routes with public access" and "national trail/recreational route" ?

I've seen on last months LRO magazine they drove on a lane marked only by single dots..

Anyway, I've now finally got my laptop with 1:50 OS maps of the whole country working with a bluetooth GPS and yesterday went for a drive around to test it.. just brilliant, it's perfect to plan a route and just go out and explore some lanes.
However the lanes I did yesterday were very over grown.... will have to put some pics up later today....
 
[JP];800122 said:
Nice one Paul!!

Cheers. ;)

[JP];800122 said:
what do you reckon on driving on the single dots and diamond shape lanes?
above refered to as "other routes with public access" and "national trail/recreational route" ?

I've seen on last months LRO magazine they drove on a lane marked only by single dots..[/qote]

Same as any other ... some are legal to drive some aren't and just checking the map won't tell you. Need to check with Councils first. If they're close enough drive to an obvious start point and see what signage there is, if there's a TRO posted then obviously you can't ... other side is that just 'cos nothing's posted still doesn't mean it's legal to drive!!!

[JP];800122 said:
Anyway, I've now finally got my laptop with 1:50 OS maps of the whole country working with a bluetooth GPS and yesterday went for a drive around to test it.. just brilliant, it's perfect to plan a route and just go out and explore some lanes.
However the lanes I did yesterday were very over grown.... will have to put some pics up later today....

Heheheh, good fun isn't it. I use a Dell Axim V51X in the Disco, but the laptop also works via bluetooth too, so I can take that when I want as well, but it's awkward to work with .... ;)
 
rang the council today about a lane near me that the locals say is legal to drive and they quite often go down there because when i looked on the map it was a bridle way with dimonds on it, they said it has no right of way but doesnt mean i cant drive it its up to the land owner/s

while i was there i asked what can i drive on she said the B.O.A.T and the green dots they are soft roads she said just roads not kept to a standard, she said the map was very accurate on these but should still check with them.

seams like a lot of hastle checking every one how do you do it? i have been planning a route and will ring them when i know what ones i will take.

i have also been checking them on google earth to see what they look like just to i know its not concrete or sumit.
 
Which is all as I said ... it's just that the council might have different rules from county to county. In my case the restricted byways became BOATS, in your case they obviously haven't. ;)

And private roads are private roads, which i didn't really comment on other than you must check first, so it's up to the landowner what's allowed or not, hence the grey area and hence, after all the checking, people are reluctant to just give out green lane locations will-nilly.
 
[JP];800122 said:
Nice one Paul!!

what do you reckon on driving on the single dots and diamond shape lanes?
above refered to as "other routes with public access" and "national trail/recreational route" ?
The diamonds are long distance walking routes but they may be on anything from a footpath to a dual carriageway. It's the lane/road etc underneath that decides whether it's drivable or not.

Single dots between 2 white lines (sometimes just the dots) are Orpa's and usually have vehicular rights.
 
while i was there i asked what can i drive on she said the B.O.A.T and the green dots they are soft roads she said just roads not kept to a standard, she said the map was very accurate on these but should still check with them.

I think there is some legal wording they use for unclassified roads marked as "other route with public access"; one of my recent enquiries solicited the somewhat legalistic response "...is an unclassified, unsurfaced, vehicular highway maintainable at public expense" - i.e. a green lane!

I've found my local RoW bloke (Hants CC) to be extremely helpful and responsive to my queries. Also, in my area (Hampshire and Surrey) the councils also have good online maps which help you identify lanes with active TROs - definitely worth a look.

As someone new to greenlaning, I have been walking some of my local lanes in order to familiarise myself with them. This has been useful in itself. Several lanes I've explored on foot, though they start out OK, soon deteriorate into rutted messes or have vehicle "traps" such as concrete blocks hidden in the undergrowth.

Obviously going out with people familiar with the local lanes is the best way of all to explore. You can also update your maps with their local knowledge.
 
walking it is a good idea i went down one tonight that got so over grown i couldn see what i was driving on so turned back i will walk it and see what its like, didn have the time today as was getting near tea time lol
 
Heh, good points ... just 'cos you can legally drive it, doesn't always mean you can actually drive it! Frankly if any lanes are blocked whilst I'm out, I move the blockage! Perfectly legal to do so, providing you don't set out with the intention of moving a blockage!! I then use the formal reporting procedure of the local council whichever it may be to get the obstacle permanently removed ... it's their obligation to do so.
 
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