Engine Swaps into a D90

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Bradley Cruse

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I own a 1988 Landrover 90 TD300 swap, I have owned it for quite a while and have started to realise just how sluggish it can be, now I understand it wasn't a vehicle intended for speed, but I'm thinking since I have such a attachment to it, what I can do to make it better, I am wondering what kind of engines I can get in without out too much hassle, I'm thinking petrol and preferably around the 200HP mark, so far I am considering the ford cosworth 2.9 engine but that is it so far, but I am open to any suggestions, Thanks!!
 
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I own a 1988 Landrover Defender TD300, I have owned it for quite a while and have started to realise just how sluggish it can be, now understand it wasn't a vehicle intended for speed, but I'm thinking since I like it so much, what I can do to make it better, I am wondering what kind of engines I can get in without out too much hassle, I'm thinking petrol and preferably around the 200hp mark, so far I am considering the ford cosworth 2.9 engine, but I am open to any suggestions, Thanks!!
That will be a Ninety. Defenders weren't made in 1988. ;)
It is usual to post first in Introduce Section first post, so as not to appear rude.:(
Also usual not to post queries in Members vehicles section, you will be moved shortly.:rolleyes:
If you really need to go that fast, why not get a car instead? Landrovers aren't really about speed, they are an off road vehicle.:)
 
That will be a Ninety. Defenders weren't made in 1988. ;)
It is usual to post first in Introduce Section first post, so as not to appear rude.:(
Also usual not to post queries in Members vehicles section, you will be moved shortly.:rolleyes:
If you really need to go that fast, why not get a car instead? Landrovers aren't really about speed, they are an off road vehicle.:)
They are off-road vehicles and I still use mine for green laning from time to time but I am very strongly attached to the vehicle but since my job role recently changed and I have to travel further i am looking for more, also sorry about the query being posted in the wrong area, my first time here.
 
They are off-road vehicles and I still use mine for green laning from time to time but I am very strongly attached to the vehicle but since my job role recently changed and I have to travel further i am looking for more, also sorry about the query being posted in the wrong area, my first time here.
You could try looking into the various ways to raise the gearing if you want to increase cruising speed. And a 300Tdi is probably tuneable to some extent. Your thread will get moved sooner or later into a tech area.
Be wary of reduced reliability of drivetrain components if you fit a very powerful engine, even things like tyre rating may be affected. Speaking of which, you can get a useful increase in cruising speed just by increasing tyre diameter, though hopefully not width, that will eat even more power.
 
You could try looking into the various ways to raise the gearing if you want to increase cruising speed. And a 300Tdi is probably tuneable to some extent. Your thread will get moved sooner or later into a tech area.
Be wary of reduced reliability of drivetrain components if you fit a very powerful engine, even things like tyre rating may be affected. Speaking of which, you can get a useful increase in cruising speed just by increasing tyre diameter, though hopefully not width, that will eat even more power.
The reliability I'm fine with, I have a uncle who owns a yard full of landys, he even owns a series 1 with a very rare aluminium bulkhead from when the machine broke which made the bulkheads, I'll look into tuning for the 300TDI for the time being any ways .
 
The reliability I'm fine with, I have a uncle who owns a yard full of landys, he even owns a series 1 with a very rare aluminium bulkhead from when the machine broke which made the bulkheads, I'll look into tuning for the 300TDI for the time being any ways .
Expect there will be quite a bit on the forum about that.
Useful relative to have. Pics of the interesting series would be welcome! :)
 
Expect there will be quite a bit on the forum about that.
Useful relative to have. Pics of the interesting series would be welcome! :)
Should be going up there soon, marvellous place, most of the things there are rotten but nonetheless interesting, the series 1 is fully restored and I will get some pictures ASAP , he has many series 2's too but I don't know much about rare ones of them, only that he has some two skin roof ones as well as two un restored forward controls, other then that he possesses a stupid amount of the rover V8's in generators and other bits, but unfortunately they drink too much fuel otherwise I would put one in the 90..
 
I own a 1988 Landrover 90 TD300 swap, I have owned it for quite a while and have started to realise just how sluggish it can be, now I understand it wasn't a vehicle intended for speed, but I'm thinking since I have such a attachment to it, what I can do to make it better, I am wondering what kind of engines I can get in without out too much hassle, I'm thinking petrol and preferably around the 200HP mark, so far I am considering the ford cosworth 2.9 engine but that is it so far, but I am open to any suggestions, Thanks!!
I suppose some things to ask are. Do you have a budget in mind? What is your intended use? And have you done anything like this before?

You can, in theory swap almost anything in. But actually getting it to mate up is a different question.


Choices are, retain current gearbox, or at least Landy gearbox, as it mates to the transfer box. This keeps the rest of the drive line simple.

So you need to look for engines that will mate to the box or ones you can get an adapter for.

The other options is replace the gearbox and or transfer box. But that might end up being a bigger project.


You may need to also consider other upgrades, such as suspension and brakes. But nothing too much to worry about. Land Rover axles are a bit weak, so if you off road, you'll likely need to address these.


As for power. Well the Tdi isn't that powerful, but a tweaked on will actually drive very well and it'll feel way faster than it is, assuming you aren't actually racing a car. Tweaking them can be done at home for good gains or on the cheap if you want a bigger intercooler.

So if you haven't done this yet, it might well be worth tweaking yours and seeing if you like.


Easy engines swaps:

-Rover V8. As a standard fitment engine to the 90, it's a pretty easy bolt in swap. A good 3.9 or 4.6 will make around the 200hp mark or more with relative ease.

-Td5. Ok it's a diesel, but a generation newer than the Tdi. And they remap very well. A real 170hp+ is quite easy from them.

-Rover T-Series. The 2.0 T-Series was fitted to Mpi Discoveries and some Defenders. So it's all bolt in. The standard 2.0 litre is 134bhp, so while it'd be quicker than a Tdi, it's not that much. But of note is the turbo variant used in things like the 620Ti and 820Ti. These make 197bhp stock and can easily make more. Although if you want to shoot for much more than stock power, you'll need to beef the internals up. This is probably a very good engine to consider.


More involved swaps:

-BMW 2.8i petrol. Fitted to S. African Defenders. So with a mix of bits from a p38a, it's possible to get this running. Similar power/performance to a 3.9 RV8.

-BMW 3.0 diesel. Similar to the above, just a bit more involved. Lower stock hp, but quite tunable. A potential notch up from the Td5.


Moving on from these. Other V8 swaps. The Chevy Ls1 can be done and there are adapters. But a lot more work and money. Lexus V8 is doable too. As is the BMW 4.4 used in the L322 Range Rover. But you are talking about quadrupling your budget or more over the other options and a lot more involved.
 
I suppose some things to ask are. Do you have a budget in mind? What is your intended use? And have you done anything like this before?

You can, in theory swap almost anything in. But actually getting it to mate up is a different question.


Choices are, retain current gearbox, or at least Landy gearbox, as it mates to the transfer box. This keeps the rest of the drive line simple.

So you need to look for engines that will mate to the box or ones you can get an adapter for.

The other options is replace the gearbox and or transfer box. But that might end up being a bigger project.


You may need to also consider other upgrades, such as suspension and brakes. But nothing too much to worry about. Land Rover axles are a bit weak, so if you off road, you'll likely need to address these.


As for power. Well the Tdi isn't that powerful, but a tweaked on will actually drive very well and it'll feel way faster than it is, assuming you aren't actually racing a car. Tweaking them can be done at home for good gains or on the cheap if you want a bigger intercooler.

So if you haven't done this yet, it might well be worth tweaking yours and seeing if you like.


Easy engines swaps:

-Rover V8. As a standard fitment engine to the 90, it's a pretty easy bolt in swap. A good 3.9 or 4.6 will make around the 200hp mark or more with relative ease.

-Td5. Ok it's a diesel, but a generation newer than the Tdi. And they remap very well. A real 170hp+ is quite easy from them.

-Rover T-Series. The 2.0 T-Series was fitted to Mpi Discoveries and some Defenders. So it's all bolt in. The standard 2.0 litre is 134bhp, so while it'd be quicker than a Tdi, it's not that much. But of note is the turbo variant used in things like the 620Ti and 820Ti. These make 197bhp stock and can easily make more. Although if you want to shoot for much more than stock power, you'll need to beef the internals up. This is probably a very good engine to consider.


More involved swaps:

-BMW 2.8i petrol. Fitted to S. African Defenders. So with a mix of bits from a p38a, it's possible to get this running. Similar power/performance to a 3.9 RV8.

-BMW 3.0 diesel. Similar to the above, just a bit more involved. Lower stock hp, but quite tunable. A potential notch up from the Td5.


Moving on from these. Other V8 swaps. The Chevy Ls1 can be done and there are adapters. But a lot more work and money. Lexus V8 is doable too. As is the BMW 4.4 used in the L322 Range Rover. But you are talking about quadrupling your budget or more over the other options and a lot more involved.
Do you have any idea what box is used in the BMW engine defender?, I'm thinking a BMW engine might do well like a old M3 engine.
 
What would that help with, stress? Do 90's have weak transfer box's?

No, not at all as they are the same box. The discovery one has a higher ratio so your top end will be better and your cruising speed (say 70) will be at lower revs so better for fuel consumption.

However it's not without its trade offs. Acceleration will be slower and it isnt so good for towing.

It's an option if your mainly going to be sitting on motorways or dual carriageways, less good if your back lane blasting though. Google it to find out more.

The low range function is identical to the defender spec one so off roading is the same
 
Lots of different engine conversions have been done in lr's over the years, some more difficult or time consuming than others, most tend to just fit a tdi over a weekend as an upgrade from an old n/a or t/d
How much time/money do you have, can you afford to have it off the road while doing it, what is your skillset and how much can you do yourself. All things to think about.
 
I'm more of a fan of diesels than petrol, so I personally have gone down the 6bt route.
Torque etc.. well sky's the limit, more than a standard lr could take.
Om606 would be another consideration for me. Both been done and their is advice out there.

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Do you have any idea what box is used in the BMW engine defender?, I'm thinking a BMW engine might do well like a old M3 engine.
R380. It's the bell housing you'd need.

Unless you are making a racer I'd have thought an M3 motor is an expensive way to get a revvy engine with no low end grunt and that will probably require high maintenance.
 
No, not at all as they are the same box. The discovery one has a higher ratio so your top end will be better and your cruising speed (say 70) will be at lower revs so better for fuel consumption.

However it's not without its trade offs. Acceleration will be slower and it isnt so good for towing.

It's an option if your mainly going to be sitting on motorways or dual carriageways, less good if your back lane blasting though. Google it to find out more.

The low range function is identical to the defender spec one so off roading is the same
Sorry this isn't exactly true. The LT230 the transfer box in the Disco is 1.22:1 ratio, which is taller than a Defenders 1.4:1 ratio transfer box. But a standard Disco tyre is 28-29" tall. If you run a Defender on a 7.50 or 235/85 tyre (about 31-32" tall). Then the mph/1000rpm is almost identical for a Defender and a Disco.
 
I'm more of a fan of diesels than petrol, so I personally have gone down the 6bt route.
Torque etc.. well sky's the limit, more than a standard lr could take.
Om606 would be another consideration for me. Both been done and their is advice out there.

DSCF4053.jpg
R380. It's the bell housing you'd need.

Unless you are making a racer I'd have thought an M3 motor is an expensive way to get a revvy engine with no low end grunt and that will probably require high maintenance.
i was thinking the BMW M3 only as a example of a BMW motor, would I be able to use most BMW engines in the landy if I acquired this bell housing, A M3 engine was the first that came to mind, I'm thinking a nice diesel BMW engine might be good, although parts may be difficult to get and services.
 
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