Engine Conversion

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Hello all,

I currently have a 1986 defender with a factory fitted 3.5 v8 with a 3.9 range rover gearbox and would like to change it to a small block 5.7 chevy, any ideas on what i would need to look at changing and anyone know anyone in the west midlands area that would be comfortable enough to take on the conversion.
 
When you say 3.9 Range Rover gearbox, what do you mean?

It is possible to fit an SBC, however you need to decide if you want to:

-fit it to your current gearbox (or another Land Rover box), thus retaining the standard transfer box
-use a GM gearbox that easily mates to the engine and fit it to a Land Rover transfer box
-use a GM gearbox and transfer box

There are pro's and con's to all options. And on a project like this, you'll need to research and understand these differences, so that you can make informed decisions on which route to go.

Now, as for the engine, in the UK we usually get totally confused and just call almost any American V8 a 350 Chevy or small block.

In reality the 350 Chevy hasn't been a production engine for almost 20 years now. Although you can still buy new crate versions of them. The thing to note is, they have a cast iron block and vary wildly in power out, from as low as around the 120/140hp mark upto the highest production version of 330bhp as the LT4 in the late model C4 Corvette.

A low powered one will need new heads and a cam and lots of other bits to make good modern power as a rule. Although they are very tuneable. But will depend which variant you go for.


However.....

In 1997 GM launched a new engine known as the LS1, it's still 5.7 litres, but it isn't a 350 Chevy, although you can still call it an SBC. These are 100% completely new design and share no parts with the older engines, they also have alloy blocks and are lighter and much more powerful. But they are also more expensive to buy.

http://www.marks4wd.com/ are in Oz, but offer quite a number of different adapters that you might find of interest, although none are cheap.


Now something else to consider.

Stock axles on a 90 are weak, you can break them with a 2.5TD easily. And Rover gearboxes are not the strongest either. So you are likely going to want to consider and at least research some upgrades to these, or even alternative axles if you plan to off road. And if you are on a drum rear axle, you'll want discs and likely vented up front.


I like V8 engines and American ones, but even if you do a lot of the work yourself, of which there will be a lot, as in a lot of custom and bespoke bits. This is still going to cost a lot of money. If you are paying someone to do it, then it'll be even more.

Honestly, a good 3.9 or 4.6, maybe with a cam and a good exhaust and fuelling setup is going to be more than enough in a manual 90 and will pretty much fly.

If you want oddball, the 2.0MPi out of the Disco commercial will fit a 90. And it would be comparatively easy to substitute in the 2.0 Turbo variant from the Rover 620/820 Turbo. 200hp straight off, easy tuning, although you'll likely want to upgrade the pistons, but 300hp is perfectly doable from such a setup and likely at the fraction of the cost of a Chevy V8 conversion. A good 3.9/4.6 RV8 should get you to a fairly healthy 230-250hp without major cost, vs the SBC route.
 
Oh BTW - factory 3.5's are low CR versions, probably near to 120hp when new and if it's worn might not be making much more than 100hp. Going to even a stock 4.6 that's running well will transform the vehicle.
 
It's a range rover 3.9 3 speed auto box, i believe it has salisbury back axle, realistically i would like around 350bhp, and the reason i look to the 5.7 v8 small block as they offer at lot of low end grunt as well as a decent cruising speed. with regards to using it off-road i wont really be doing that and i am more focused on just having a nice quick head turner, and i know that sounds stupid for a 1986 land rover defender.
 
"land rover defender chevy v8 conversion"
Google the above and you will get youtube and forum answers.
You can get a kit to do it but all pretty expensive.
 
It's a range rover 3.9 3 speed auto box, i believe it has salisbury back axle, realistically i would like around 350bhp, and the reason i look to the 5.7 v8 small block as they offer at lot of low end grunt as well as a decent cruising speed. with regards to using it off-road i wont really be doing that and i am more focused on just having a nice quick head turner, and i know that sounds stupid for a 1986 land rover defender.
3 speed auto box was not that I recall ever offered on a 3.9. Early Range Rovers might have had 3 speed auto but would have been a 3.5 carb unit. And usually with the 1.0:1 transfer box. Do you have this as well? Tbh they completely kill performance and take away nearly all the fun. A 5 speed manual would feel a lot quicker and be a lot more fun.

Do you have an idea of budget? I'd have thought the very minimal would be £6k'ish and could easily run to £15-20k without breaking a sweat.
 
3 speed auto box was not that I recall ever offered on a 3.9. Early Range Rovers might have had 3 speed auto but would have been a 3.5 carb unit. And usually with the 1.0:1 transfer box. Do you have this as well? Tbh they completely kill performance and take away nearly all the fun. A 5 speed manual would feel a lot quicker and be a lot more fun.

Do you have an idea of budget? I'd have thought the very minimal would be £6k'ish and could easily run to £15-20k without breaking a sweat.

The early RRC auto's were 3 speed - i was offered one for a song when they were cheap, and nobody wanted them - a white 2 door and really nice order too! I turned it down :( ( kicks himself hard, again and again and... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:).

OP - some fine advice above - and consider how difficult it might be to insure this project before you commit :)
 
A 5 speed manual would feel a lot quicker and be a lot more fun.

However, many cars 250bhp and over and almost all over 300bhp are auto because manual transmissions wouldn't last long enough with most drivers behind the wheel. Auto boxes are stronger because they only have axial forces and are not constantly trying to tear themselves apart like a manual.

I suspect the OP wants to gun about in his Defender like it was a F1 car... Maybe we should redirect him to a BMW forum...
 
I have considered the cost of insurance around about £1000 if i declare all mods, my overall budget is around 10k, im not going to drive it like a bat out of hell/F1 Car everywhere its more of i want it to be able to cruise at motorway speed, id like to steer clear of Efi as i will have to change the fuel rails hence why i would like a 5.7 block with carbs. I found a company called retroridez around by me, that might be interested in doing it and they have one that is running 300bhp.
 
I have considered the cost of insurance around about £1000 if i declare all mods, my overall budget is around 10k, im not going to drive it like a bat out of hell/F1 Car everywhere its more of i want it to be able to cruise at motorway speed, id like to steer clear of Efi as i will have to change the fuel rails hence why i would like a 5.7 block with carbs. I found a company called retroridez around by me, that might be interested in doing it and they have one that is running 300bhp.

I am confused, you don't want to gun it about but you are adamant you have 300bhp? To unleash that on the running gear will cause you issues in fairly short order.

I know what it is like to have a powerful fast car, I have a large family estate flying machine as my daily driver, it tends to make me just drive very calmly and sensibly because I don't have anything to prove, the sort of people likely to want to rile me up or try and get me to race know they don't have a chance, this is good as I can then just mind my own business and I really don't care, I just tootle about. But, if I am out later at night, joining a motorway or something it is all too easy to deck it and have a little blast, or burn that little boy off in his mummy's A1 Sportback who is driving like a fool and needs put in his place, but my car was designed for all of this. Here is your issue: your going to be sitting in a big slow Land Rover, no one would suspect it could go like the clappers, so you're going to have to be a very strong willed lad not to constantly want to "prove" to people that it actually is faster than their Corsa Sport. You end up gunning it at least on a daily basis and before you know it you have shredded it.

If you did it well, DefenderIcon sort of well, all the correct running gear and engineered not bodged it could be stunning and work very nicely but just be aware of all the hurdles. Speaking of DefenderIcon engine conversions would you not be happy with a LR/Jag 2.7 or 3.0 diesel with an auto box, that would go well.

One final note, my 300tdi 90 cruises at motorway speeds and keeps up with the traffic just fine. I have the Disco transfer box to help motorway cruising and it is great, I can often be found in the outside lane passing slow people.
 
I'm not really interested in changing a V8 to diesel, and i know its hard to believe but im not going to be going to be putting my foot down every second on the day, the only reason i said 300bhp is cause the engine im looking at is rated at that BHP and the company that may do it have one that is running 300bhp without a sweat, ive seen defenders from twisted and other companies running 500bhp so they have had to change something to get it to comfortable run that BHP
 
I'm not really interested in changing a V8 to diesel, and i know its hard to believe but im not going to be going to be putting my foot down every second on the day, the only reason i said 300bhp is cause the engine im looking at is rated at that BHP and the company that may do it have one that is running 300bhp without a sweat, ive seen defenders from twisted and other companies running 500bhp so they have had to change something to get it to comfortable run that BHP

Running without a sweat I am sure it may appear, it may even be the case, but to be truly running without a sweat that would suggest that the drive-train is within it's design parameters and will continue to give long reliable service, the stock LR drive train will not be unless it is heavily modified or you drive very carefully, in that case, what is the point?

Lots of people do things that appear "run without a sweat" but due to their lack of mechanical & engineering knowledge don't appreciate that its slowly tearing things apart.

Do it though, I look forward to seeing the results.
 
I'm not really interested in changing a V8 to diesel, and i know its hard to believe but im not going to be going to be putting my foot down every second on the day, the only reason i said 300bhp is cause the engine im looking at is rated at that BHP and the company that may do it have one that is running 300bhp without a sweat, ive seen defenders from twisted and other companies running 500bhp so they have had to change something to get it to comfortable run that BHP
Not that I'd want to dissuade you from doing this conversion, but in all honesty, if all you want is a comfortable cruiser, then a nice Rover 4.6 will do the job easy. My 4.6 Range Rover, which is heavier than a 90, will happily sit at 90mph all day long if I wanted it too. And it doesn't feel sluggish at, quite the opposite.

Just throwing it out there, as a good RV8 4.6 can easily make 250hp and would only cost a fraction of the amount of a Chevy V8 swap.
 
I think i may have struck lucky found a company in stoke that does this conversion quite happily, just waiting for a confirmed price however he said including engine gearbox and other things shouldn't go above 10K i shall return once the Job has been done, aiming for September for the job to be done, thanks to everyone that had their input, i have taken each individual point on board.
 
I think i may have struck lucky found a company in stoke that does this conversion quite happily, just waiting for a confirmed price however he said including engine gearbox and other things shouldn't go above 10K i shall return once the Job has been done, aiming for September for the job to be done, thanks to everyone that had their input, i have taken each individual point on board.
Good luck. Any chance you could share the specs on what they plan to do?
 
As soon as they come back with a broken down quote i shall post it for you, i think his going to use a 480le gearbox and make a mounting for the transfer box himself, then he supply a rebuilt v8, then look at strengthening any parts that need it, as well as making a custom exhaust system for it
 
However, many cars 250bhp and over and almost all over 300bhp are auto because manual transmissions wouldn't last long enough with most drivers behind the wheel. Auto boxes are stronger because they only have axial forces and are not constantly trying to tear themselves apart like a manual.

I suspect the OP wants to gun about in his Defender like it was a F1 car... Maybe we should redirect him to a BMW forum...

Oh dear
 
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