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Larry
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Well whatever it is can you really call it a Land Rover just because it
looks like one on the outside.
After all I could take a landie chassis and engine and stick a lamborghini
body on it but that would not make it a lamborghini (thank goodness)
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>
>
looks like one on the outside.
After all I could take a landie chassis and engine and stick a lamborghini
body on it but that would not make it a lamborghini (thank goodness)
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>
>
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Dom J
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"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
Why, oh why, oh why??.
Dom J
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:16:10 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:50:27 +0100, "Angus McCoatup"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>
>oh my that sounds like an impressive machines, most notably the
>limited slip diffs and a pokey engine, could be very nice indeed.
they've also got the best parts of the Citroen, viz. the brakes, steering
and suspension. All in all, an impressive tool.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:50:27 +0100, "Angus McCoatup"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>
>oh my that sounds like an impressive machines, most notably the
>limited slip diffs and a pokey engine, could be very nice indeed.
they've also got the best parts of the Citroen, viz. the brakes, steering
and suspension. All in all, an impressive tool.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>
>Why, oh why, oh why??.
cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>
>Why, oh why, oh why??.
cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
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JD
Guest
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>
> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
> enough
> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
> very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
> works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>
> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
> would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
> suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>
I had visions of this sort of thing in the 1960's when I was driving a S2a
and my brother was driving an ID, but did not envisage anything this
elaborate - just using Citroen suspension on the LR axles with the idea of
gaining adjustable ground clearance and better ride.
My primary transport was a 1962 ID from 1971, changed to a 1974 DS in 1979
until 1993 when I got a 110 County, still have the DS, in VG condition but
stored as parts are hard to find and where I now live it I worry about
damaging it. The suspension, with huge travel and adjustable ground
clearance is very good off road, and the ride is excellent even on ploughed
paddocks. The DS is very reliable, including the hydraulics.
JD
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>
> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
> enough
> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
> very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
> works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>
> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
> would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
> suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>
I had visions of this sort of thing in the 1960's when I was driving a S2a
and my brother was driving an ID, but did not envisage anything this
elaborate - just using Citroen suspension on the LR axles with the idea of
gaining adjustable ground clearance and better ride.
My primary transport was a 1962 ID from 1971, changed to a 1974 DS in 1979
until 1993 when I got a 110 County, still have the DS, in VG condition but
stored as parts are hard to find and where I now live it I worry about
damaging it. The suspension, with huge travel and adjustable ground
clearance is very good off road, and the ride is excellent even on ploughed
paddocks. The DS is very reliable, including the hydraulics.
JD
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Larry
Guest
Na when cornering and I lean at a remarkable angle I can comfort myself at
least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go around a
roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
enough
> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
> very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
> works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>
> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
> would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
> suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
> - Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go around a
roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
enough
> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
> very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
> works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>
> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
> would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
> suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
> - Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
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Bob Hobden
Guest
"Austin Shackles" wrote >
>
> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
> enough
> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
> very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the suspension
> works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>
> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and brakes
> would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with air
> suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>
But what is going on with that front bumper and below it? Looks like any
off-road ability is rather compromised with virtually no ground clearance at
the front.
--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:54:31 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>Na when cornering and I lean at a remarkable angle I can comfort myself at
>least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go around a
>roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
hilarious fun to drive in, though. A mate of mine had one, and we used to
do silly stuff, like I'd open the door and lean out, side-car style, on
left-handers. It's amazing how fast they can be pushed around corners, too.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
enlightened us thusly:
>Na when cornering and I lean at a remarkable angle I can comfort myself at
>least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go around a
>roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
hilarious fun to drive in, though. A mate of mine had one, and we used to
do silly stuff, like I'd open the door and lean out, side-car style, on
left-handers. It's amazing how fast they can be pushed around corners, too.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
J
JD
Guest
Bob Hobden wrote:
>
> "Austin Shackles" wrote >
>>
>> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
>> enough
>> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that
>> was very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the
>> suspension works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>>
>> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and
>> brakes would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with
>> air suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
>> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>>
> But what is going on with that front bumper and below it? Looks like any
> off-road ability is rather compromised with virtually no ground clearance
> at the front.
>
It has Citroen suspension units reversed so the suspension arm bearings
(none of this rubber bush business - tapered roller bearings) are forward
of the axle rather than behind as in the Citroen. You can see the
suspension sphere in front of the radiator panel.
You have to remember that the pictures show the vehicle at road running
height (or perhaps even parked, deflated height)- for offroad the
suspension can be raised by about six inches from this. However, it does
look as if the approach (and departure) angle is not as good as the
standard chassis, albeit not as bad as it looks..
JD
>
> "Austin Shackles" wrote >
>>
>> cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>> when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give
>> enough
>> travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that
>> was very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch) - the
>> suspension works well at keeping wheels on the deck.
>>
>> I've often thought that marrying LR with the citroen suspension and
>> brakes would be cool - and in some ways, that's what the later RRs with
>> air suspension do, although I suspect the citroen hydropneumatic is more
>> reliable, 'specially the old ones with no electronics.
>>
> But what is going on with that front bumper and below it? Looks like any
> off-road ability is rather compromised with virtually no ground clearance
> at the front.
>
It has Citroen suspension units reversed so the suspension arm bearings
(none of this rubber bush business - tapered roller bearings) are forward
of the axle rather than behind as in the Citroen. You can see the
suspension sphere in front of the radiator panel.
You have to remember that the pictures show the vehicle at road running
height (or perhaps even parked, deflated height)- for offroad the
suspension can be raised by about six inches from this. However, it does
look as if the approach (and departure) angle is not as good as the
standard chassis, albeit not as bad as it looks..
JD
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Colonel Tupperware
Guest
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:01:37 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>
>cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
>travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
>very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch)
There was a 4x4 BX
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>
>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>
>cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
>travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
>very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch)
There was a 4x4 BX
--
ColonelTupperware,
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Richard Brookman
Guest
So Austin Shackles was, like
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:54:31 +0100, "Larry"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Na when cornering and I lean at a remarkable angle I can comfort
>> myself at least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go
>> around a roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
>
> hilarious fun to drive in, though. A mate of mine had one, and we
> used to do silly stuff, like I'd open the door and lean out, side-car
> style, on left-handers. It's amazing how fast they can be pushed
> around corners, too.
That's why they have those chunky little metal door-handles - bit like the
Kevlar knee-pads on bike racing leathers, and for the same purpose.
Had a 2CV6 and later a Dyane, and only moved to conventional cars when the
kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the world (or
so it seemed at the time :-0), wrapping it in tinfoil to take it down the
motorway seems less of a good idea. Loved both cars, for their quirky style
and complete simplicity. Pity Land Rover never fitted an air-cooled motor
to the S2 - now that would be a back-to-basics machine.
I've actually been looking at 2CVs on eBay recently. Don't tell the Mrs.
--
Rich
Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
> On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:54:31 +0100, "Larry"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Na when cornering and I lean at a remarkable angle I can comfort
>> myself at least that I am not in a 2 CV cos to watch one of them go
>> around a roundabout is the stuff of nightmares.
>
> hilarious fun to drive in, though. A mate of mine had one, and we
> used to do silly stuff, like I'd open the door and lean out, side-car
> style, on left-handers. It's amazing how fast they can be pushed
> around corners, too.
That's why they have those chunky little metal door-handles - bit like the
Kevlar knee-pads on bike racing leathers, and for the same purpose.
Had a 2CV6 and later a Dyane, and only moved to conventional cars when the
kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the world (or
so it seemed at the time :-0), wrapping it in tinfoil to take it down the
motorway seems less of a good idea. Loved both cars, for their quirky style
and complete simplicity. Pity Land Rover never fitted an air-cooled motor
to the S2 - now that would be a back-to-basics machine.
I've actually been looking at 2CVs on eBay recently. Don't tell the Mrs.
--
Rich
Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:56:16 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>and only moved to conventional cars when the
>kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the world (or
>so it seemed at the time :-0),
now, you'd happily strap 'em to the roof rack?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>and only moved to conventional cars when the
>kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the world (or
>so it seemed at the time :-0),
now, you'd happily strap 'em to the roof rack?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:47:56 +0100, Colonel Tupperware
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:01:37 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>>
>>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>>
>>cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>>when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
>>travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
>>very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch)
>
>There was a 4x4 BX
there was indeed. apparently, though, the 1.9GTi engine was prone to lunch
the rear transmission, or so I was told. Apparently also such things as
clutch change involved removing the engine.
I gather there was a 1600 4x4 in France, which was more reliable, being less
stressed.
I'd still quite like a 4x4 BX - the ordinary 2-WD one was a very competent
car.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:01:37 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:46:18 +0100, "Dom J"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>"Angus McCoatup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html
>>>
>>>Why, oh why, oh why??.
>>
>>cos they could, I suspect. But seriously, the citroen hydraulic system,
>>when working, is feckin' amazing - and provided you set it up to give enough
>>travel, it'd make an ace off-road thing. Had a BX some while ago that was
>>very competent within its scope (front drive only, natch)
>
>There was a 4x4 BX
there was indeed. apparently, though, the 1.9GTi engine was prone to lunch
the rear transmission, or so I was told. Apparently also such things as
clutch change involved removing the engine.
I gather there was a 1600 4x4 in France, which was more reliable, being less
stressed.
I'd still quite like a 4x4 BX - the ordinary 2-WD one was a very competent
car.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
R
Richard Brookman
Guest
So Austin Shackles was, like
> On or around Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:56:16 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> and only moved to conventional cars when the
>> kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the
>> world (or so it seemed at the time :-0),
>
> now, you'd happily strap 'em to the roof rack?
If I had enough big mates to get 'em up there!
Sorry kids ;-)
--
Rich
Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
> On or around Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:56:16 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> and only moved to conventional cars when the
>> kids came along - when you've got the most precious cargo in the
>> world (or so it seemed at the time :-0),
>
> now, you'd happily strap 'em to the roof rack?
If I had enough big mates to get 'em up there!
Sorry kids ;-)
--
Rich
Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
