Disco 3 - Response from 5th gear.

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On 2004-12-18, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> They also (in a pre-right-to-roam environment) are apparently very
> bad at sticking to where the path is, and prefer instead to wander
> all across the crops (grass is a crop too, for them as don't know).
> If a path goes across a field, it does so in a particular line and
> place - it's not or shouldn't be a right to wander all over the
> bleedin' place.


When off-roading the signs I see most often are not "Please drive with
care" or "Please stick to sensible speeds", the sign I see most often
is "Please keep your dogs on a leash" or similar, which is of course
blithely ignored. I think that's mostly locals though.

> but they're just as bloody bas as us 4x4 types, if only 'cos there
> are about 50 times as many of 'em. Wonder how much CO2 and H20
> vapour a typical rambler produces, and how many it takes to equal
> the emissions of a typical land rover?


I'll bet the figures are available, and I reckon there's hundreds of
times more of them than us, huffing and panting all over the place the
dirty environmentally unclean so-and-so's, it should be banned! ;0)

However there's so many of them that no politician can resist their
demands so we're stuck with them it seems. Perhaps we should all move
to one county and become a significant number of people... I vote for
Dorset because I'm already here!

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:58:13 +0000, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Mind you, kudos to them for the right to roam stuff, as an
> ex-amateur photographer who is looking to get back into it, I'm
> going to be breaking out the boots and backpacks sometime.


Bear in mind that it really is only "open country" and "common land"
that has been opened up. This really means that it's only mountain,
moor, heath and down that is available and not all of those areas will
be made open. Note also access is *only* on foot.

The Countryside Agency Open Access FAQ is pretty good:

http://www.countryside.gov.uk/access/mapping/faq/Default.htm

Section 1 for the land available and 6.6 for what you can't do...
(confusingly under section 7 Users' rights and responsibilities) from
the FAQ main index.

The mapping available from:

http://www.ca-mapping.co.uk/mapping/default.htm

Is pretty good but note that the Secretary of State has yet to approve
the maps/law so no one has the "Right to Roam".

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:31:54 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he wrote:

>> but they're just as bloody bas as us 4x4 types, if only 'cos there
>> are about 50 times as many of 'em. Wonder how much CO2 and H20
>> vapour a typical rambler produces, and how many it takes to equal
>> the emissions of a typical land rover?

>
>I'll bet the figures are available, and I reckon there's hundreds of
>times more of them than us, huffing and panting all over the place the
>dirty environmentally unclean so-and-so's, it should be banned! ;0)


Wonder what sort of cars the ramblers drive, how much pollution they
cause driving out to do their bit of rambling etc. Perhaps they could
car share?


Just the facts please...
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:31:54 +0000, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> ...the sign I see most often is "Please keep your dogs on a leash"
> or similar, which is of course blithely ignored. I think that's
> mostly locals though.


Under the "right to roam" the only animal you can take with you is a
dog and if there is any livestock present it has to be on lead no
longer than 2m in length.

Of course with all these things how do you enforce it, though I guess
the good old 12 bore talks very well if a dog starts to worry (as in
attack or seriously distress) livestock...

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[email protected] wrote:

>Wonder what sort of cars the ramblers drive, how much pollution they
>cause driving out to do their bit of rambling etc.


That also often makes me wonder. Same like the people driving miles
away from home with their dogs, to let them **** in front of my door.
I hope others do the same aimed to their street :)



regards - Ralph

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