Disco 3 - Response from 5th gear.

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Hi all
Thought you might like to see the response I recieved from Fifth Gear
after i sent them an e-mail about the review of the Disco 3 by that
bearded nugget.

Date: 10th December 2004





"Dear Dave

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Fifth Gear.

We were sorry to read that the segment on the Discovery caused you
concern.

We feel that Tom Ford was not driving in a way that caused danger to
other users of the green lane where we filmed. The speed he was
driving at may have seemed exaggerated by the angles and editing
techniques. However, we are confident that in reality he was driving
no more than 10-15 mph. We are sure that many people enjoy driving in
a similar manner on green lanes and are currently within their rights
to do so. Also, as far as Five is aware, he was not doing anything
illegal by driving down a green lane in wet weather conditions.

We have logged your comments in the Viewer Enquiries Report, which is
circulated throughout the company. Also, your complaint will be noted
in the quarterly report to our regulator. Commercial television is
regulated in the UK by Ofcom (the Office of Communications). "

Thank you for your interest in Five.



Yours sincerely

VIEWER ADVISOR


Now then! I know i'm not a video editor or producer by trade, but i'm
pretty bloody sure that no amount of "angles or editing techniques"
can get the front wheels of a discovery off the floor!

Anyone want to make any comments before I send a vociforous email back
to them?

Dave
 
in article [email protected], Dave Reynolds at
[email protected] wrote on 14/12/04 16:03:

> Hi all
> Thought you might like to see the response I recieved from Fifth Gear
> after i sent them an e-mail about the review of the Disco 3 by that
> bearded nugget.
>
> Date: 10th December 2004
>
>
>
>
>
> "Dear Dave
>
> Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Fifth Gear.
>
> We were sorry to read that the segment on the Discovery caused you
> concern.
>
> We feel that Tom Ford was not driving in a way that caused danger to
> other users of the green lane where we filmed. The speed he was
> driving at may have seemed exaggerated by the angles and editing
> techniques. However, we are confident that in reality he was driving
> no more than 10-15 mph. We are sure that many people enjoy driving in
> a similar manner on green lanes and are currently within their rights
> to do so. Also, as far as Five is aware, he was not doing anything
> illegal by driving down a green lane in wet weather conditions.
>
> We have logged your comments in the Viewer Enquiries Report, which is
> circulated throughout the company. Also, your complaint will be noted
> in the quarterly report to our regulator. Commercial television is
> regulated in the UK by Ofcom (the Office of Communications). "
>
> Thank you for your interest in Five.
>
>
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> VIEWER ADVISOR
>
>
> Now then! I know i'm not a video editor or producer by trade, but i'm
> pretty bloody sure that no amount of "angles or editing techniques"
> can get the front wheels of a discovery off the floor!
>
> Anyone want to make any comments before I send a vociforous email back
> to them?
>
> Dave
Funny that is exactly the same as the responce I receved!!

 
I think that's the reply everybody got who voiced their displeasure with the
feature. I know I did.

Bob.

"Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all
> Thought you might like to see the response I recieved from Fifth Gear
> after i sent them an e-mail about the review of the Disco 3 by that
> bearded nugget.
>
> BIG SNIP<


 
>Subject: Re: Disco 3 - Response from 5th gear.
>From: Rory Manton [email protected]
>Date: 14/12/2004 16:58 GMT

>Funny that is exactly the same as the responce I receved!!

You were lucky, they never replied to the two e-mails I sent.

Steve. Suffolk.
remove 'knujon' to e-mail

 
>I think that's the reply everybody got who voiced their displeasure with
>the
> feature. I know I did.

Can someone tell me about the feature? Was it a television segment?
Magazine article? Something that can be found online? What occured to
make people angry?

--

-Jonathan

__REALLY__ JUST UPDATED (10-08-04) with __THREE__ new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.



"Bob" <Sinclair.Bob@btopenworld"NOSPAM".com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I think that's the reply everybody got who voiced their displeasure with
>the
> feature. I know I did.
>
> Bob.
>
> "Dave Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi all
>> Thought you might like to see the response I recieved from Fifth Gear
>> after i sent them an e-mail about the review of the Disco 3 by that
>> bearded nugget.
>>
>> BIG SNIP<
>
>


 
In message <[email protected]>, Dave
Reynolds <[email protected]> writes
>Hi all
>Thought you might like to see the response I recieved from Fifth Gear
>after i sent them an e-mail about the review of the Disco 3 by that
>bearded nugget.
>
>Date: 10th December 2004
>
>
>
>
>
>"Dear Dave
>
>Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Fifth Gear.
>
>We were sorry to read that the segment on the Discovery caused you
>concern.
>
>We feel that Tom Ford was not driving in a way that caused danger to
>other users of the green lane where we filmed. The speed he was
>driving at may have seemed exaggerated by the angles and editing
>techniques. However, we are confident that in reality he was driving
>no more than 10-15 mph. We are sure that many people enjoy driving in
>a similar manner on green lanes and are currently within their rights
>to do so. Also, as far as Five is aware, he was not doing anything
>illegal by driving down a green lane in wet weather conditions.
>
>We have logged your comments in the Viewer Enquiries Report, which is
>circulated throughout the company. Also, your complaint will be noted
>in the quarterly report to our regulator. Commercial television is
>regulated in the UK by Ofcom (the Office of Communications). "
>
>Thank you for your interest in Five.
>
>
>
>Yours sincerely
>
> VIEWER ADVISOR
>
>
>Now then! I know i'm not a video editor or producer by trade, but i'm
>pretty bloody sure that no amount of "angles or editing techniques"
>can get the front wheels of a discovery off the floor!
>
>Anyone want to make any comments before I send a vociforous email back
>to them?
>
>Dave
1. 15 mph is far too fast for a green lane.
2. recommend they arrange a personal showing to Janet Street Porter and
some of her rambler friends with our complements (Am I thinking of the
right woman - head of Ramblers Association.)
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
Take a look at www.series2a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/d3.html

There's a link in the top left corner which lets you download the
offending article as a Windows Media Player file - it's about 18Mb.

Regards

Steve G


£ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
>>Can someone tell me about the feature? Was it a television segment?
>>Magazine article? Something that can be found online? What occured to
>>make people angry?
>
>
> Actually I just did some googling and found an angry letter that described
> the situation a little. Can someone explain what "green-laning" is to an
> American? What did they do on the television show that was so
> irresponsible? Is there a link to the episode somewhere?
>
>
 
On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote:

> > Can someone tell me about the feature? Was it a television segment?
> > Magazine article? Something that can be found online? What occured to
> > make people angry?
>
> Actually I just did some googling and found an angry letter that described
> the situation a little. Can someone explain what "green-laning" is to an
> American? What did they do on the television show that was so
> irresponsible? Is there a link to the episode somewhere?

Pretty well all public roads in the UK have some sort of metalled
surface, tarmacadam or concrete or whatever. At least, that's what
people think. There are actually many miles of often ancient highways,
also public roads, which are rough-surface tracks. These are known as
green lanes.

Some of the people who don't believe they exist do _know_ that these
routes are public footpaths, and get stroppy about anything which
interferes with their God-given right to ramble. Hence green-lanes lead
to politics.

So driving fast on a green lane, or in a way which damages the surface,
is frowned upon. Never mind the damage the rambler packs can do, and
have done.

In any case, it is a criminal offence to block, or damage, a public
highway. And what te TV programme showed could be seen as an
irresponsible encouragement to such behaviour.

Unfortunately, the situation is complicated by the private rights which
exist. A public footpath running along a farm track is still open to
the farmer's vehicles, and those ruts which enrage the ramblers might be
from the farmer's Land Rover, not those horrible green laners.



--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV
 

"SteveG <"s.goodfellow"@blueyonder" <"dot> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Take a look at www.series2a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/d3.html
>
> There's a link in the top left corner which lets you download the
> offending article as a Windows Media Player file - it's about 18Mb.
>

Tag line
"I'd heartily recommend you to go and buy one point it at a green lane and
find out what it can really do"

I totally understand where you guys are coming from.


 
On 2004-12-15, BigBird <[email protected]> wrote:

> I totally understand where you guys are coming from.

Given that Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear took it up to the top of a
mountain without all the splashing and mud that the antis hate so
much, and still got a wedge of complaints from people about the
environment being ruined, then I suspect they'll already be getting a
whole ton of complaints from the bobble-hats.

While it wasn't a piece that could really be praised, I wonder how
many antis would prefer the road to be layered in tarmac, far less
environmentally friendly but much less mucky, which is what I think
they're really objecting to. Given how little damage 4x4 use causes
compared to other activities that are taken for granted I can't see
that their ranting is really all about environmental damage.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
thanks!

--

- Jonathan

__REALLY__ JUST UPDATED (10-08-04) with __THREE__ new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote:
>
>> > Can someone tell me about the feature? Was it a television segment?
>> > Magazine article? Something that can be found online? What occured
>> > to
>> > make people angry?
>>
>> Actually I just did some googling and found an angry letter that
>> described
>> the situation a little. Can someone explain what "green-laning" is to an
>> American? What did they do on the television show that was so
>> irresponsible? Is there a link to the episode somewhere?
>
> Pretty well all public roads in the UK have some sort of metalled
> surface, tarmacadam or concrete or whatever. At least, that's what
> people think. There are actually many miles of often ancient highways,
> also public roads, which are rough-surface tracks. These are known as
> green lanes.
>
> Some of the people who don't believe they exist do _know_ that these
> routes are public footpaths, and get stroppy about anything which
> interferes with their God-given right to ramble. Hence green-lanes lead
> to politics.
>
> So driving fast on a green lane, or in a way which damages the surface,
> is frowned upon. Never mind the damage the rambler packs can do, and
> have done.
>
> In any case, it is a criminal offence to block, or damage, a public
> highway. And what te TV programme showed could be seen as an
> irresponsible encouragement to such behaviour.
>
> Unfortunately, the situation is complicated by the private rights which
> exist. A public footpath running along a farm track is still open to
> the farmer's vehicles, and those ruts which enrage the ramblers might be
> from the farmer's Land Rover, not those horrible green laners.
>
>
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV


 
wow, I just watched the segment.. That's awful. So essentially they're
tearing apart an ancient lane? Aren't there other places to go off-roading
in great britain? Where I live (western New York State), ya just drive to
the edge of town and pick any large expanse of land, without worry of
ruining some ancient fixture.

I love when he mentions the truck was "designed for HUGE americans."
also, when he says it gets "cripplingly bad fuel consumption" and points to
the dashboard computer showing 21.1 mpg.. Ha! i only wish my LR3 got that
(currently it's reporting 9.5mpg, but I expect that to get better after a
while....



--

- Jonathan

__REALLY__ JUST UPDATED (10-08-04) with __THREE__ new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"SteveG <"s.goodfellow"@blueyonder" <"dot> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Take a look at www.series2a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/d3.html
>
> There's a link in the top left corner which lets you download the
> offending article as a Windows Media Player file - it's about 18Mb.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve G
>
>
> £ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:
>>>Can someone tell me about the feature? Was it a television segment?
>>>Magazine article? Something that can be found online? What occured to
>>>make people angry?
>>
>>
>> Actually I just did some googling and found an angry letter that
>> described the situation a little. Can someone explain what
>> "green-laning" is to an American? What did they do on the television
>> show that was so irresponsible? Is there a link to the episode
>> somewhere?
>>

 
or made by his tractor of sundry trucks. Not to mention the problems that
horses cause.

These eejit ramblers would have us back in the dark days of horse and cart,
and the ruts and mud were there back then for sure before the invention of
the internal combustion engine or even the steam engine.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote:
>
>
> Pretty well all public roads in the UK have some sort of metalled
> surface, tarmacadam or concrete or whatever. At least, that's what
> people think. There are actually many miles of often ancient highways,
> also public roads, which are rough-surface tracks. These are known as
> green lanes.
>
> Some of the people who don't believe they exist do _know_ that these
> routes are public footpaths, and get stroppy about anything which
> interferes with their God-given right to ramble. Hence green-lanes lead
> to politics.
>
> So driving fast on a green lane, or in a way which damages the surface,
> is frowned upon. Never mind the damage the rambler packs can do, and
> have done.
>
> In any case, it is a criminal offence to block, or damage, a public
> highway. And what te TV programme showed could be seen as an
> irresponsible encouragement to such behaviour.
>
> Unfortunately, the situation is complicated by the private rights which
> exist. A public footpath running along a farm track is still open to
> the farmer's vehicles, and those ruts which enrage the ramblers might be
> from the farmer's Land Rover, not those horrible green laners.
>
>
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV


 
In message <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> writes
>or made by his tractor of sundry trucks. Not to mention the problems that
>horses cause.
>
>These eejit ramblers would have us back in the dark days of horse and cart,
>and the ruts and mud were there back then for sure before the invention of
>the internal combustion engine or even the steam engine.
>
>
Most of these eejits are townies and have no experience of the way in
which farm tracks are almost perpetually knee deep in mud for most of
the winter, churned up by farm animals and tractors.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
£ Î Z @ R Ð wrote:

> also, when he says it gets "cripplingly bad fuel consumption" and points to
> the dashboard computer showing 21.1 mpg.. Ha! i only wish my LR3 got that
> (currently it's reporting 9.5mpg, but I expect that to get better after a
> while....

since it's in the UK, i assumed he was driving the turbo diesel and 21
mpg doesn't seem out of line for that.
 

"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2004-12-15, BigBird <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I totally understand where you guys are coming from.
>
> Given that Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear took it up to the top of a
> mountain

Don't remember him encouraging other to do likewise.

>without all the splashing and mud that the antis hate so
> much, and still got a wedge of complaints from people about the
> environment being ruined, then I suspect they'll already be getting a
> whole ton of complaints from the bobble-hats.
>
> While it wasn't a piece that could really be praised, I wonder how
> many antis would prefer the road to be layered in tarmac, far less
> environmentally friendly but much less mucky, which is what I think
> they're really objecting to. Given how little damage 4x4 use causes
> compared to other activities that are taken for granted I can't see
> that their ranting is really all about environmental damage.
>

Perhaps it isn't. I didn't see the original thread(s) but rather than
enviromental damage per se I'd have thought they would be complaining damage
full stop. It was pretty clear that they way the Landy was being driven
would do a damn site more damage than a few ramblers, horses and the
occasional tractor and also potentially put said ramblers, horses in
considerable peril. It is not so much the damage done by one **** but that
the **** should encourage every other **** to do likewise that is most
irresponsible.

> --
> For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert


 
On 2004-12-15, BigBird <[email protected]> wrote:

> would do a damn site more damage than a few ramblers, horses and the
> occasional tractor

Blimey, there's precious little that can do as much damage as a
tractor, I don't think even a fat disco 3 driven by a not very good TV
presenter could even hope to match those monsters! I've seen them
cutting 2 feet into wet ground with a single pass, those tyres are
designed to cut. They're the real monster on byways as far as I'm
concerned. I've lost count of the lanes I've driven that have been
heavily pitted and rutted but suddenly the ruts veer off into a field
and the lane continues on in excellent condition.

So the very idea of him doing more damage than a tractor is absurd. I
don't agree with the article, but that kind of talk isn't helping.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
Mr.Nice. <mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote:

>I hope I've got that right, I didn't see the program myself and I'm
>not involved in any of the groups campaigning to allow the continued
>use of green lanes so I'm perhaps not as accurate on the facts as I
>could be.

Interesting. In Germany those green lanes can not be found such often,
but there are still some of them, you just have to find them. Funny,
sometimes at the other end there is a sign, making use of the road
illegal, but useless when you know the right end :)

Also nice, usually no one asks, even in case you use such a road when
there _is_ a sign. There are almost always exceptions allowed (for
forrestry, agricultural use), and of course I just drive there when I
have to do work in such places (antenna sites), but really no one ever
asked me what the hell I am doing there :)




regards - Ralph

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On 2004-12-15, £ Î Z @ R Ð <[email protected]> wrote:

> wow, I just watched the segment.. That's awful. So essentially
> they're tearing apart an ancient lane? Aren't there other places to
> go off-roading in great britain?

Don't go thinking that this is some kind of site of special interest,
we have laws over here to protect those. These are just tracks that
may or may not have been in use for centuries, and these days are
generally used by farm traffic and the occasional off-roader. It's
not like you're driving through aincent saxon hill-forts or anything
like that. A large number of our tarmac roads were also "ancient
lanes", villages grow into towns and towns into cities, and some of
the tracks they use grow with them. Green Lanes are just tracks that
never grew into tarmac roads due to lack of traffic.

As for "are there other places to go", well not really, only dedicated
commercial off-road sites which offer more obstacles but less scenery,
more traffic, more expense and you usually get bored after about 2
hours. The antis are now trying to ban us from the green lanes, if
they get their way (and anything 4x4-related over here is a target for
enviro-nutters with no sense of perspective) then we'll only have
access to the commercial off-road sites, or to private farm land with
agreement from farmers.

Also, while the lane was very muddy, I didn't get the impression that
they made it that way. While I'm not trying to defend the article to
the hilt I don't think people should read too much into it.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mr.Nice. <mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I hope I've got that right, I didn't see the program myself and I'm
> >not involved in any of the groups campaigning to allow the continued
> >use of green lanes so I'm perhaps not as accurate on the facts as I
> >could be.
>
> Interesting. In Germany those green lanes can not be found such often,
> but there are still some of them, you just have to find them. Funny,
> sometimes at the other end there is a sign, making use of the road
> illegal, but useless when you know the right end :)
>
> Also nice, usually no one asks, even in case you use such a road when
> there _is_ a sign. There are almost always exceptions allowed (for
> forrestry, agricultural use), and of course I just drive there when I
> have to do work in such places (antenna sites), but really no one ever
> asked me what the hell I am doing there :)
>
>
>
>
> regards - Ralph
>

You raise a good point there - two or three "ordinary"
motors pootling round has never, so far, raised any problems
when I've been out laning. However, add a motor or two
bristling with aeriels and all the toys and attitudes change
rapidly. Apart from one celebrated occasion, comments from
land owners/ramblers have mostly been - "yes/no you are on the
right route", "it's those dammed mud pluggers I hate", "oh
and the bl**dy bikers tearing round", "it's nice to see
Series motors still being used", "you just got a 110 CSW
up *there*!?". In short, aggressive looking vehicles attract
aggressive attitudes. And a cheery "Good Morning" to ramblers
works wonders for PR.

Richard
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