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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Feb 11, 2006

• #21

Richard thanks for the clarification about suspenders.

I guess the UK variety keeps other "things" inside the trousers up.

BTW what's the UK word?

Take care and thanks
Pantelis

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ...and Pantelis Giamarellos spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
> > Something like a belt and suspenders on your trousers. You simply can
> > not get wrong with it.
>
> Hi Pantelis
>
> Your English is always excellent, but you should be aware that the word
> suspenders only means "things to hold your trousers up" in the USA. Here
in
> the UK, it means something different:
>
>
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> Just to be *absolutely* clear.
>
>
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
> Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
>
>

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Feb 11, 2006

• #22

Jos Hi,

QUAIFEs are simply amazing. And in case you manage to make one loose
traction the only thing you have to do is relax on your accelerator pedal
and slightly press the brakes pedal so that they start distributing torque
to both wheels once more.

Take care
Pantelis


"Joskin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi Pantelis,
>
> Thanks for the info on Quaife ATB diffs.
> I heard similar good things about them from a chap in Australia who had
> fitted them and basically forgotten about them. But his Landy got him
> through sections of track that other vehicles couldn't manage.
>
> Regards,
> Joskin
>
>

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Feb 11, 2006

• #23

....and Pantelis Giamarellos spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Richard thanks for the clarification about suspenders.

No problem, we always try to please...


> I guess the UK variety keeps other "things" inside the trousers up.



> BTW what's the UK word?

Braces. Hence the phrase I think you were looking for, "belt and braces",
meaning doing something more than is strictly necessary to be absolutely
secure. Quite a useful phrase in a Land Rover context - like going on a
50-mile journey and taking a full tool-kit, a tonne of spare parts, tame
mechanic, and also an RAC card. Common sense, really.

http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/212700/212745/Products/13803952.jpg

Just in case anyone didn't see it the first time.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

 

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mark

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• Feb 11, 2006

• #24

In message <[email protected]>, mark
<[email protected]> writes
>In message <[email protected]>, Austin
>Shackles <[email protected]> writes
>>On or around Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:43:28 -0000, "Joskin" <[email protected]>
>>enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>I've read good things about Quaife Auto Torque Biasing diffs. Because of the
>>>way they work, you can fit them front or back and they only "cut in" when
>>>needed. Google Quaife.
>>>I don't know anyone who has them, but I have been tempted - only the cost
>>>has stopped me.
>>
>><AOL>. reckoned to be dead good, if you can afford 'em.
> Right, I'll let you know how much they are..................

Right seems a Detroit locker already fitted in a rebuilt diff costs
£590 from Ashcroft transmissions.
Quaife seems to be £675 but would also need the diff rebuilding.
KAM is also £675 but is air operated.

Hmmm, Detroit locker looks favourite.
Even with a new diff assembly will I still need the infamous spreader
tool to bend the axle a couple of thou before it drops in? Will I still
need to fit shims etc?

Did you all know that the Landrover Salisbury axle is the same thing as
the legendary dana 60 axle?





--
Mark Roberts

 

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steve

Guest

• Feb 12, 2006

• #25

mark wrote:

> Hmmm, Detroit locker looks favourite.
> Even with a new diff assembly will I still need the infamous spreader
> tool to bend the axle a couple of thou before it drops in? Will I still
> need to fit shims etc?

You shouldn't need to bugger with shims. I could have lent you the
spreader I made for mine, but some arsehole at work took it on
themselves to chop it up, since they didn't know what it was for, so it
became fair game. Not hard to make one mind. I used a dial test
indicator to gauge the spreading on the case. Careful. When it falls our
there is a lot of weighton your fingers....

Steve

 

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mark

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• Feb 12, 2006

• #26

In message <[email protected]>, steve
<[email protected]> writes
>mark wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, Detroit locker looks favourite.
>> Even with a new diff assembly will I still need the infamous spreader
>>tool to bend the axle a couple of thou before it drops in? Will I
>>still need to fit shims etc?
>
>You shouldn't need to bugger with shims. I could have lent you the
>spreader I made for mine, but some arsehole at work took it on
>themselves to chop it up, since they didn't know what it was for, so it
>became fair game. Not hard to make one mind. I used a dial test
>indicator to gauge the spreading on the case. Careful. When it falls
>our there is a lot of weighton your fingers....
>
I could make one?
Was it the sort with 2 bars that you tighten with 2 bolts or was it like
the proper one that hooks into the holes?

--
Mark Roberts

 

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steve

Guest

• Feb 12, 2006

• #27

mark wrote:

> I could make one?
> Was it the sort with 2 bars that you tighten with 2 bolts or was it like
> the proper one that hooks into the holes?
>

It was one I made anyway...
Yes, it hooked into the holes. It was a square frame, with the lugs top
go in the holes on opposite sides. All made of 2" x 1/2" steel bar...The
corner of one edge of the square was open , and a boss with a threaded
(1/2" UNF) hole allowed a screw to push the bossed leg away from the
other side. The remaining flex in the frame was more than enough to get
the 15 thou deflection limit in the case.

I may have pictures somewhere.

Steve

 

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mark

Guest

• Feb 12, 2006

• #28

In message <[email protected]>, steve
<[email protected]> writes
>mark wrote:
>
>> I could make one?
>> Was it the sort with 2 bars that you tighten with 2 bolts or was it
>>like the proper one that hooks into the holes?
>>
>
>It was one I made anyway...
>Yes, it hooked into the holes. It was a square frame, with the lugs top
>go in the holes on opposite sides. All made of 2" x 1/2" steel
>bar...The corner of one edge of the square was open , and a boss with a
>threaded (1/2" UNF) hole allowed a screw to push the bossed leg away
>from the other side. The remaining flex in the frame was more than
>enough to get the 15 thou deflection limit in the case.
>
>I may have pictures somewhere.
>


Piccy would be cool

--
Mark Roberts

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Feb 12, 2006

• #29

On or around Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:30:53 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Jos Hi,
>
>QUAIFEs are simply amazing. And in case you manage to make one loose
>traction the only thing you have to do is relax on your accelerator pedal
>and slightly press the brakes pedal so that they start distributing torque
>to both wheels once more.

Quaife would be my option, I reckon, given the money.

Does anyone do viscous-coupled diffs?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

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• Feb 13, 2006

• #30

Rich thanks.

That was the phrase I was looking for.

Absolutely right about the LR thing. Full kit of spares, tools, hydraulic
lift, folding stands, manual and duct tape.

Take care
Pantelis


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ...and Pantelis Giamarellos spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
> > Richard thanks for the clarification about suspenders.
>
> No problem, we always try to please...
>
>
> > I guess the UK variety keeps other "things" inside the trousers up.
>
>
>
> > BTW what's the UK word?
>
> Braces. Hence the phrase I think you were looking for, "belt and braces",
> meaning doing something more than is strictly necessary to be absolutely
> secure. Quite a useful phrase in a Land Rover context - like going on a
> 50-mile journey and taking a full tool-kit, a tonne of spare parts, tame
> mechanic, and also an RAC card. Common sense, really.
>
>
http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/212700/212745/Produc
ts/13803952.jpg
>
> Just in case anyone didn't see it the first time.
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
> Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
>
>

 

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Pantelis Giamarellos

Guest

• Feb 13, 2006

• #31

Mark Hi,

The QUAIFE and the KAM do replace the standard LR diff unit (same as the
Detroits)

The KAM is NOT air operated. They used to me either air or cable operated
but the new design is electricaly operated using a solenoid installed INSIDE
the axle's housing (you have to cut the rear housing off and weld a mounting
ring where an 8mm thick ABS new housing is secured using bolts.

The Salisbury was indeed a Dana axle. Same applies for the rear axle of
current production D110 vehicles that do not use a Salisbury but a newer
design Dana sourced axle.

Take care
Pantelis

"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, mark
> <[email protected]> writes
> >In message <[email protected]>, Austin
> >Shackles <[email protected]> writes
> >>On or around Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:43:28 -0000, "Joskin" <[email protected]>
> >>enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >>>I've read good things about Quaife Auto Torque Biasing diffs. Because
of the
> >>>way they work, you can fit them front or back and they only "cut in"
when
> >>>needed. Google Quaife.
> >>>I don't know anyone who has them, but I have been tempted - only the
cost
> >>>has stopped me.
> >>
> >><AOL>. reckoned to be dead good, if you can afford 'em.
> > Right, I'll let you know how much they are..................
>
> Right seems a Detroit locker already fitted in a rebuilt diff costs
> £590 from Ashcroft transmissions.
> Quaife seems to be £675 but would also need the diff rebuilding.
> KAM is also £675 but is air operated.
>
> Hmmm, Detroit locker looks favourite.
> Even with a new diff assembly will I still need the infamous spreader
> tool to bend the axle a couple of thou before it drops in? Will I still
> need to fit shims etc?
>
> Did you all know that the Landrover Salisbury axle is the same thing as
> the legendary dana 60 axle?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Roberts