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With all this flashing going on iv'e just nipped outside and flashed lol. No seriously just went out to check mine again and no flash of the trailer light when the indicators are used not even the one flash.

The only time I get the trailer light flashing is when the caravan or trailer is attached as stated in a previouse post. My towbar and electrics were fitted by main FL dealer.
 
Grayo said:
With all this flashing going on iv'e just nipped outside and flashed lol. No seriously just went out to check mine again and no flash of the trailer light when the indicators are used not even the one flash.

The only time I get the trailer light flashing is when the caravan or trailer is attached as stated in a previouse post. My towbar and electrics were fitted by main FL dealer.
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In my view there is nothing wrong with it behaving like that. It's logical and legal.

I would be happy with that even if it's clearly not what LR say in the handbook.

I think it probably depends on the exact type of HD flasher unit.
 
Singvogel said:
In my view there is nothing wrong with it behaving like that. It's logical and legal.

I would be happy with that even if it's clearly not what LR say in the handbook.

I think it probably depends on the exact type of HD flasher unit.
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Hi Sing,

I've not got a problem with the trailer flasher, mine only works when caravan or trailer is plugged in unlike some of the others here who seem to be having different flashing ratio's.
 
Had a mail from DLS asking me to return the relay, which I will do.
In the meantime, I found a lampholder and a 21Watt flasher bulb and decided to connect it to the r.h. flasher connection on the 12N pick up connector located in the loadspace and the ground header terminal nearby. My idea was to duplicate the effect of having an additional load-such as the trailer/caravan hitched up. Switched the r.h. indicator on and the dash warning lights went out, the flashers and hazards were not working. The indicator fuse (15A) in the passenger fusebox had blown together with the 15A hazards fuse in the engine bay fusebox :eek:
Checked my "Hookup connections and they were sound, not shorting out. Removed the hookup lamp, replaced the fuses and I still have the same symptoms with the trailer warning lamp. Refitted the original relay, hooked up the lamp again and it flashed merrily away, albeit at a slightly faster rate than with it disconnected.
I am convinced that the replacement relay is duff.

The towbar wiring is foolproof and straightforward. The 12N connections as you know are sitting there waiting and ready to be wired in, either by a custom connector on the 12N socket/lead assembly from Land Rover or by direct connection to the individual wires using crimp connectors or soldered & heat shrunk joints..NOT the Scotchlock connectors usually supplied-they are crap and cause untold problems. Replacing the relay is not rocket science..just remove the original and replace it with the 4 pin new unit, the pin configuration ensures that it will only fit in one way. The 12S (Auxillary power) socket is a bit more involved but I will leave that for another day in order to stay on topic.
 
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Irishrover said:
Had a mail from DLS asking me to return the relay, which I will do.
In the meantime, I found a lampholder and a 21Watt flasher bulb and decided to connect it to the r.h. flasher connection on the 12N pick up connector located in the loadspace and the ground header terminal nearby. My idea was to duplicate the effect of having an additional load-such as the trailer/caravan hitched up. Switched the r.h. indicator on and the dash warning lights went out, the flashers and hazards were not working. The indicator fuse (15A) in the passenger fusebox had blown together with the 15A hazards fuse in the engine bay fusebox :eek:
Checked my "Hookup connections and they were sound, not shorting out. Removed the hookup lamp, replaced the fuses and I still have the same symptoms with the trailer warning lamp. Refitted the original relay, hooked up the lamp again and it flashed merrily away, albeit at a slightly faster rate than with it disconnected.
I am convinced that the replacement relay is duff.

The towbar wiring is foolproof and straightforward. The 12N connections as you know are sitting there waiting and ready to be wired in, either by a custom connector on the 12N socket/lead assembly from Land Rover or by direct connection to the individual wires using crimp connectors or soldered & heat shrunk joints..NOT the Scotchlock connectors usually supplied-they are crap and cause untold problems. Replacing the relay is not rocket science..just remove the original and replace it with the 4 pin new unit, the pin configuration ensures that it will only fit in one way. The 12S (Auxillary power) socket is a bit more involved but I will leave that for another day in order to stay on topic.
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Right that it then it must be a dodgy relay. Ill go to land rover and order an original. I suppose DLS where cheap for a reason.
 
All this talk, made me realise that I had not changed the relay since fitting the towbar & electrics. The socket was connected to the spare plug as directed and all the lights worked OK, both on the vehicle and trailer.
I have today purchased a lucas relay, from an independant land rover dealer, once fitted the problems started (1) the trailer light on the dash flashs (dimmly) when every the indicators are used, however all the lights work. (2) Once trailer is connected the trailer light flashs correctly. The main problem (annoying) is that when every the footbrake is operated then clicking of the relay occurs - checked all lights still work OK.
Removed new relay fitted old relay, problem goes away, but legally no indication of trailer lights
 
:behindsofa:

Had no idea that my original post would bring such a response :biggrin1:

The relay has indeed been sent back today to DLS, hopefully they will get it tomorrow and report back. IF they give me a refund, I will go for the Hella, if not and they decide to replace it, I imagine it will be another Britpart but Britpart are now giving a guarantee on their products. That's all well & good but all this going down to the Post Office, lobbing over £2.60 postage and waiting a few days for the replacement to arrive doesn't exactly inspire me !!!
On a different note-how can LR justify a price of £35+ for a product they don't even make themselves and get a massive discount based on quantity,,,,no wonder people with any sense are buying OEM parts. I remember some years ago buying a genuine LR water pump for my P38 and it disintegrated after about a month. When I took tit back in bits to the Main Stealer, they gave me a replacement that I had to pay for and a couple of weeks later phoned me to say that the other had failed because of the drive belt being too tight.....strange one that....the P38, V8 has a spring loaded belt tensioner fitted !!! Never got my £75 back but vowed never to trust or use them again.
 
*UPDATE*
:frusty:
Received a replacement relay today from DLS, it's another Britpart YWT10002L. Plugged it in and.......the trailer lamp on the dash flashes in unison with the indicators with no trailer hitched up !!
I have sent a mail to Britpart for their comments.
It makes complete sense to me that the lamp should flash once without a trailer attached as this should be a "Function check" and when a trailer is attached, the lamp should also flash except when a trailer bulb has failed.
 
Irishrover said:
*UPDATE*
:frusty:
Received a replacement relay today from DLS, it's another Britpart YWT10002L. Plugged it in and.......the trailer lamp on the dash flashes in unison with the indicators with no trailer hitched up !!
I have sent a mail to Britpart for their comments.
It makes complete sense to me that the lamp should flash once without a trailer attached as this should be a "Function check" and when a trailer is attached, the lamp should also flash except when a trailer bulb has failed.
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An update from me to. The hella relay as recommended by sijwhite arrived today. Plugged it in and when I put the indicators on the trailer light flashes once. And flash in unison with indicators when the hazard button is pushed. So working as it should and as sv mentioned. So a dodgy relay from DLS. The one I got from dls was a Lucas and not britpart.
 
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:behindsofa:

I have had a confirmation email from the Sales Manager at Britpart again requesting details of the problem.
The towbar kit finally arrived today and enclosed with the 12N socket/cable assembly was an audible indicator bulb failure device. I'm going to wire that in as a temporary measure but from the comments on this topic it looks very much that I shall be ordering the Hella relay unless I get some positive response from Britpart. They offer a 2 year guarantee and if the item does not do what it says on the tin I shall be expecting them to honour it.
 
I had the same sort of problem with the towing light so went to main dealer and got another one from them and on the plastic case is shows how many lamps it takes. changed it and now ok

dorothy J
 
*UPDATE*
Britpart have been in touch and they are going to send me a Lucas one. I asked them to try it on a Freelander 1 before shipping it out to me and they have agreed to this.
Went out today and the trailer flashes everytime the indicators are used. I don't have the towbar fitted yet because it was p**sing rain this afternoon. Hopefully I will fit it tomorrow. I have a trailer board here and I can try it out on that but I feel 99.99% sure that the problem will still be there.

Dorothy J ..The genuine flasher relay is almost £40 from a Stealer, it's probably made by Hella, Valeo or Siemens and they buy them in for pennies. If the Lucas doesn't work (I am quietly confident that it will-otherwise Britpart won't ship it), then I am going for the Hella.
 
Freelaner said:
mines the Hella one

glad you got it sorted ;)
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:behindsofa:

It will be sorted when it's working as it should be !!:D

Fair play to Britpart though, they have been most helpful. It's in their best interests to sort out if there is a problem with the part and it doesn't do what it's supposed to.
I have used Britpart amongst others (Bearmach, Allmakes, Unipart, QH etc) over the years on all the LR's that I have owned from a Classic to a Disco. & P38 and despite what some people say, I have never had a problem with their products up until now and the people at the top are doing their best to help sort it.
 
Mine is a Hella one as well fitted by LR dealer. As I said before I don't get the one flash when indicators are used, it only works when caravan or trailer are plugged in.
 

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Grayo said:
Mine is a Hella one as well fitted by LR dealer. As I said before I don't get the one flash when indicators are used, it only works when caravan or trailer are plugged in.
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that eggsackly the same as mine :)

odd that you don't get the one flash but who cares as long as it works when the trailer is plugged in ;)

i've never had a problem with britpart stuff but haven't bought a whole lot of it tbh
 
**UPDATE**

Replacement Lucas unit came from Britpart this morning.
Plugged it in and it is working perfectly, with the trailer lamp flashing once without the trailer attached and in unison with the turn indicators with a trailer board attached. When I remove an indicator bulb on the trailer board, the trailer lamp just flashes once-as it should.
Fair play to Britpart for sorting the issue out...obviously there is a problem with a batch of these Britpart units and I hope they get it sorted.
That said, I can't fault the response and service from Britpart :clap2::clap2::clap2:
 
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