Checking ird

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simply splits power front and rear via the vcu and is in place of a low gear transfer box
Got nothing to do with high/low ratios - that's for neanderthol trolls and mum's at the school to say "look I have a thingie that I can twiddle". Nothing to do with Freelander.

The IRD is very simply a differential for the front wheels that has a PTO to drive the back axle. That's all it is, as Nodge says, a box of gears (shafts, bearings and shims).
 
The very easiest way to check the IRD's condition, is to drain the oil. If it comes out dark and smelly, then it's OK. If the oil comes out grey, with a metallic appearance. Then the bearings and gears are breaking down and the unit needs to be rebuild or replaced.
The only reason the IRD fails is thought overloading. This is always caused by some form of VCU failure.
 
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of course i understand u get engine , transmission braking by torque , but the hdc controls the speed via the brakes

just finding it interesting that's all
 
of course i understand u get engine , transmission braking by torque , but the hdc controls the speed via the brakes

just finding it interesting that's all
Maybe I have it wrong but stick it in HDC and see what happens thats all I can say on the matter
 
Got nothing to do with high/low ratios - that's for neanderthol trolls and mum's at the school to say "look I have a thingie that I can twiddle". Nothing to do with Freelander.

The IRD is very simply a differential for the front wheels that has a PTO to drive the back axle. That's all it is, as Nodge says, a box of gears (shafts, bearings and shims).

aplogises i thought it was designed to lower the gears , in other words in place of a transfer box , ooopppsss , lol
 
The very easiest way to check the condition, is to drain the oil. If it comes out dark and smelly, then it's OK. If the oim comes out grey, with a metallic appearance. Then the bearings and gears are breaking down and the unit needa to be rebuild or replaced.
The only reason the IRD fails is thought overloading. This is always caused by some for of VCU failure.
If its your own car you've had for a while, changing the oil and checking the colour is a great check. Its also definitive if the car is new to you and the oil comes out grey/metallicy. If its new to you and the oil comes out black though, the IRD may be good or the previous owner may have changed the oil recently, found the problem and decided to flick it on with fresh oil in there.

Checking for lateral play on drive shaft and prop shaft. Excessive rotational play on the prop shaft (with prop removed). Not sure if you can check for rotational play on the drive shaft if you jack the wheel up?

When mine was knackered it made a 'ticking' sound (I believe because gears weren't meshing correctly) - but it was completely knackered by that point though.
 
Maybe we ar
Got nothing to do with high/low ratios - that's for neanderthol trolls and mum's at the school to say "look I have a thingie that I can twiddle". Nothing to do with Freelander.

The IRD is very simply a differential for the front wheels that has a PTO to drive the back axle. That's all it is, as Nodge says, a box of gears (shafts, bearings and shims).
Maybe we are all right and we are just arguing for no reason. My understanding is when you engage the slider on the gear stick; you put it in first gear. You take your foot off all pedals and just steer as the EMC takes over the pedal control, engine speed, drive and uses the brakes all together to achieve decent control.
 
aplogises i thought it was designed to lower the gears , in other words in place of a transfer box , ooopppsss , lol
It does serve the purpose of the transfer box in a "traditional" 4WD, but I think that's a bit misleading - especially when the word "low" is added as it implies some form of High/Low ratio :)

Anyway, are you even still allowed in here? Do you have dual citizenship? :D:D:D
 
It does serve the purpose of the transfer box in a "traditional" 4WD, but I think that's a bit misleading - especially when the word "low" is added as it implies some form of High/Low ratio :)

Anyway, are you even still allowed in here? Do you have dual citizenship? :D:D:D

maybe i misread it all when i first bought mine , nothing new there then , lol

ooohhhhh, i see, i know when i'm not wanted, no, no don't try and stop me

will walk away and sulk , bbbbboooohhhhhooooo :p:D
 
Maybe we ar

Maybe we are all right and we are just arguing for no reason. My understanding is when you engage the slider on the gear stick; you put it in first gear. You take your foot off all pedals and just steer as the EMC takes over the pedal control, engine speed, drive and uses the brakes all together to achieve decent control.
I think you have to greater impression of what HDC is! All it will do is thump the brakes to try and slow the car down to a speed it calculates. It doesn't control anything other than thumping the brakes.

I did say I'd have an open mind on what you were saying though because it does put "different" types of stresses on the IRD. Obviously the normal stresses are of the engine powering its input shaft (via the gearbox) and its job is to the send that force our down its 3 outputs (2 drive shafts and the prop). If you're coasting down hill a different set of forces will be in play as the "outputs" will now be "powering it" and its job is to pass that force to the engine - so the gears and bearings will be being used differently and different problems could be expected. Once the HDC kicks in, you once again have a different situation, when the brakes are thumped it will relieve the coasting forces - and it will do it very suddenly - far quicker than driver controls and engine response. Just as quickly the coasting forces will be back after the thump finishes. So it will apply a rapid vibrational type force.

I don't know if any of these different types of force would help in diagnosing problems over the 'normal' operation. I can't see it myself, but its possible!
 
So I have jacked the car up again, I can make the rear Vcu bearing knock fairly easy the front is ok so maybe this could be the noise? Also with one rear wheel jacked up if I rock the wheel back and forth against the diff I can make the diff move fairly easy should there be much movement in it? Thinking of trying rear diff mounts as well as Vcu bearing, where are the best places to buy? Are all eBay ones rubbish? Thanks.
 
You can turn a rear wheel a suprisingly long way. Where ever there is a gear there is a small amount of play that can be taken up and when you turn the rear wheel you have gears in the diff and IRD which will give slack to it. Slack in the IRD will be magnified over 3 fold due to diff gearing. I forget off hand how much the wheel should turn - but I wouldn't be suprised if its about 1/8 of a revolution.
 
I think the recommendation on those is to not buy cheap or you'll be replacing them again in a couple of months! Go genuine or OEM.

The believe the OEM VCU bearings are a bit confusing. I think they are supposed to be GKN - but GKN just get them in from somewhere else. I think you can get Britpart bearings that are actually from the same manufacturer - but I'd be careful just in case they are actually Britpart ones!
 
If you don't want to spend the big bucks on OEM then go to a local carparts supplier as they know the parts will come back to them if they fail prematurely.
Have you tested the VCU yet? I wouldn't trust the temp test. A severely tight VCU will be nice and cool while everything around it overheats.
 
Interesting fred. The way I see it…

The engine drives the gearbox. The gearbox drives the input to the ird. The ird sends this power to:
1. the front diff (inside the ird). The front diff connects to both front wheels.
2. rear pinion on the rear of the ird, which drives the front prop shaft. This drive passes through the vcu to the rear diff, which splits it to the rear wheels.

Both the front and rear diff allow the wheels connected to them to travel at the same or different speed (like when cornering).

HDC is for controlling speed by limiting it using the brakes. Level ground and downhill if yer going faster than the required speed and yer take yer foot oft the pedals.

TC is for reducing wheel spin so the power goes to the wheel with the grip, on an axle pair, to stop power escaping from the diff when it could be put to use driving wheels with grip. Power normally goes to the wheel with the least grip which is why it spins faster. TC will pulse brake 4 wheels individually as required (if they spin) in an attempt to gain traction by stopping them spinning. Floor it on a soft surface and all 4 wheels will spin, with TC fighting to gain control.

When hdc is active and yer FL wants to slow down, it will do so by using the bakes. This will be done by pulsing them. You will feel the brake pedal pulse, and hear the abs activating. LR allowed it to work like this to give feedback to the driver to let them know when it's active.

Switching on HDC doesn't change any of this. It does pulse brake wheels when needed, but that’s no different to a skid when braking when the abs tries to take control of yer FL to re-gain directional control. There are some slightly different forces applied when this all happens, but none that will be any different to normal driving circumstances. It’s just a case the abs will be used more often, and therefore all of this happens more often. Which is why it may be noticeable. It may pulse brake one front wheel and not the other, allowing an oscillating effect in the front diff… from turning both front wheels to turning only 1 front wheel… then back to turning both. This oscillating will happen at the speed of the brake pulses, which I think is 4 times per second on a FL1 if I remembers correctly.

The vcu is a dual use device. It:
1. connects the front and rear prop shafts to allow the engine power to drive the rear wheels. When the differing speeds of the 2x props increases to a certain point, the vcu's resistance across itself increases and more drive passes through it
2. it's a handy weight concealed in yer hand bag for clubbing tratterers



Regarding the OP's clunk… if it were mine I'd be looking at wobbling the props to see movement on the ird connection, vcu bearing and rear diff. Also wobble the rear diff. The cente mouth at the front of the rear diff is a good point of failure. Don't forget to wobble the eggsauce anorl. If yer FL won't clunk when rocking it to sleep when stationary, try wobbling it at 10mph by violently steering left to right repeatedly. But only while driving on yer private country estate away from the public where yer safe to do it, and not too much that it falls over.




what's inside the ird:

DSCN4923frontdrive.jpg


DSCN4923reardrive.jpg


More ird pic's in this fred:

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/freelander-1-ird-and-rear-diff-photos.280758/


How I test the FL1 transmission:

[q=Hippo]
With the engine oft, chock the rear wheels and put the handbrake on, disconnect the front prop from the IRD and:

With the auto in park (in gear for manuals) lift 1 front wheel and it won't turn. The IRD pinion won't turn when you turn the lifted front wheel. If you put the auto into neutral (neutral on manuals too) the lifted front wheel will now turn and so will the pinion if you turn the lifted front wheel.

If you put the lifted front wheel on the ground and lift the other front wheel the same will happen as above.

If you lift both front wheels and turn 1 the other will turn regardless of the auto being in neutral or park (neutral or in gear for manuals) in the opposite direction. The only difference is the pinion gear will turn if the gearbox is in neutral (doesn't matter if auto or manual). If you sharply turn or quickly slow down the wheel yer turning the pinion will turn more than the wheel yer turning. I assume it's due to the path of least resistance as the power escapes.

If lifting both front and rear wheels on the same side of the Freelander, with the prop/vcu connected, and the engine oft and the auto in park (in gear for manuals) the front wheel won't turn when you turn the rear wheel (assuming the vcu and rear diff work correctly as they should). The rear lifted wheel will only turn slightly which is down to the internal opposition of the vcu. If you do the same test with the auto in neutral (neutral for manuals too) the front wheel will turn in the same direction as the rear wheel.

Note: when I say won't turn, it will turn but only approx 1 inch circumference or a few degrees, as opposed to turning round fully. This is the movement between the gear teeth only.[/q]
 
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Right I have done the OWUT results were 1min 7 so I assume it is getting buggered, I have removed the prop and Vcu the car seems transformed, it drives and steers much more freely. I have still got a banging or thud from the rear when running over potholes etc, I can't see any rubber bushes gone but think I will have to replace them before checking other things, where is the best place online to buy oem or are any of the aftermarket Ones as good? If so which ones and where to buy them? And also is there a complete rear set available? Will do the rear diff while I'm at it.
Thanks for any advice.
 
Lemforder bushes are the best.
However look at the whole links for prices too. I was surprised at how cheap the whole assembly is, that comes with new bushes.
 
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