Charging parked vehicles

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rjs

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• Oct 26, 2005

• #21

hugh wrote:

..
>
> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician it
> is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I believe to
> put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .

Not /quite/ but made b********y difficult (unless you have a supply of
of suitable cable dated prior to 2005!). Google search UK DIY
newsgroup, drop in the magic phrase 'Part P' and then duck.
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Tom Woods

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• Oct 26, 2005

• #22

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:54:06 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
><[email protected]> writes
>>second option - build a little box outside next to my drive. run mains
>>to that and put the chargers in it. Run short charge cables from there
>>to each car. I'm not so keen on this as i cant see what the chargers
>>are doing. I do need to put in an outdoor socket anyway though so i
>>can use tools outside easily.
>Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician it
>is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I believe to
>put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .

I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
and attach the final cable to my fuse box?

Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
wiring on my house?
I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
think they can stop people doing work themselves?

 

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Dougal

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• Oct 26, 2005

• #23

Tom Woods wrote:

Snip

>>Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician it
>>is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I believe to
>>put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
>
> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>
> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
> wiring on my house?
> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
> think they can stop people doing work themselves?

... and who is going to admit to having done any work after the deadline?

 

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Tom Woods

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #24

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:42:37 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>
>.. and who is going to admit to having done any work after the deadline?

Any work done is obvious i think as the new wire is different colours.

 

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EMB

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #25

Tom Woods wrote:

> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
> wiring on my house?
> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
> think they can stop people doing work themselves?

There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
caused a fire.


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Austin Shackles

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #26

On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:39:58 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:42:37 +0100, Dougal
><DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>
>>.. and who is going to admit to having done any work after the deadline?
>
>Any work done is obvious i think as the new wire is different colours.

You reckon?

there's plenty of red/black wire about the place. New installations are
changing to brown/blue, this is true.
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Austin Shackles

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #27

On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:38:46 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>> wiring on my house?
>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>
>There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
>caused a fire.

yebbut, you'd still deny all knowledge and swear blind that it was like that
when you bought it, wouldn't you?
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EMB

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #28

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:38:46 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>>>wiring on my house?
>>>I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>>>survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>>>think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>
>>There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
>>caused a fire.
>
>
> yebbut, you'd still deny all knowledge and swear blind that it was like that
> when you bought it, wouldn't you?

Absolutely.

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Tom Woods

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #29

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:22:38 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>> yebbut, you'd still deny all knowledge and swear blind that it was like that
>> when you bought it, wouldn't you?
>
>Absolutely.

I better get it done quick before i hand over the money then

I wonder what the exact definition of electrical work is.. Could
anybody run the cables and put sockets in as long as a proper
'lectrician did the final connections and made it live.

I should be able to add ornamental electrical sockets to my house if i
want to

 

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Mother

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #30

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:43:07 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I should be able to add ornamental electrical sockets to my house if i
>want to

It's dangerous init? Our European community is determined to protect
us from ourselves, they want us to live happy, safe, protected lives.
Now, to paraphrase the 101 Club Chairman, how long before "they" clock
on to the sad fact that many people maintain their own vehicles,
change the brake fluid, pads, shoes, steering components...


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GbH

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #31

In news[email protected],
Tom Woods <[email protected]> blithered:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:54:06 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>> second option - build a little box outside next to my drive. run
>>> mains to that and put the chargers in it. Run short charge cables
>>> from there to each car. I'm not so keen on this as i cant see what
>>> the chargers are doing. I do need to put in an outdoor socket
>>> anyway though so i can use tools outside easily.
>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician
>> it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I
>> believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
>
> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>
> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
> wiring on my house?
> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
> think they can stop people doing work themselves?

Yep, did it with Gas!
I suspect the main trouble will come from declined insurance claims, especially
fire!

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GbH

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #32

In news:[email protected],
EMB <[email protected]> blithered:
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>> wiring on my house?
>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>
> There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
> caused a fire.

Thought I just said that?

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maybe skydiving's not for you!

 

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GbH

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #33

In news:[email protected],
Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> blithered:
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
> Snip
>
>>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician
>>> it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I
>>> believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
>>
>> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
>> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
>> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>>
>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>> wiring on my house?
>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>
> .. and who is going to admit to having done any work after the
> deadline?

When WAS the deadline?


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EMB

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #34

GbH wrote:
> In news:[email protected],
> EMB <[email protected]> blithered:
>
>>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>>>wiring on my house?
>>>I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>>>survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>>>think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>
>>There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
>>caused a fire.
>
>
> Thought I just said that?
>
About 12 hours after I did

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GbH

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #35

In news:[email protected],
EMB <[email protected]> blithered:
> GbH wrote:
>> In news:[email protected],
>> EMB <[email protected]> blithered:
>>
>>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing
>>>> some wiring on my house?
>>>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and
>>>> had a survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do
>>>> they really think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>>
>>> There might also be a bit of trouble with the insurance people if it
>>> caused a fire.
>>
>>
>> Thought I just said that?
>>
> About 12 hours after I did

Dam time zones!!

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #36

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:13:53 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Thought I just said that?
>>
>About 12 hours after I did

I said it first - just didn't post it... ;-)

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #37

On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:05:35 -0000, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In news:[email protected],
>Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> blithered:
>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>> Snip
>>
>>>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician
>>>> it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I
>>>> believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
>>>
>>> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
>>> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
>>> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>>>
>>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>>> wiring on my house?
>>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>
>> .. and who is going to admit to having done any work after the
>> deadline?
>
>When WAS the deadline?

January this year for new projects, I think April for ongoing projects
started before January.

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other people to be entirely to your liking?"
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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #38

On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:04:38 -0000, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In news[email protected],
>Tom Woods <[email protected]> blithered:
>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:54:06 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>> second option - build a little box outside next to my drive. run
>>>> mains to that and put the chargers in it. Run short charge cables
>>>> from there to each car. I'm not so keen on this as i cant see what
>>>> the chargers are doing. I do need to put in an outdoor socket
>>>> anyway though so i can use tools outside easily.
>>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician
>>> it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I
>>> believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
>>
>> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
>> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
>> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>>
>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
>> wiring on my house?
>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
>> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
>> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>
>Yep, did it with Gas!
>I suspect the main trouble will come from declined insurance claims, especially
>fire!

the insurers have never required our house to be inspected or tested in
order to accept the business. If they then refuse a claim because of dodgy
wiring, having not previously mentioned it, I reckon they're on a sticky
wicket. Unless someone actually admits to having done work on it after the
deadline.

The real problem is that although wiring codes and general wiring practice
are not hard for a reasonably intelligent person to understand and comply
with, the cost of becoming licensed or certified to work on it is
ridiculous.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"If you cannot mould yourself as you would wish, how can you expect
other people to be entirely to your liking?"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xvi.

 

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beamendsltd

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #39

In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:04:38 -0000, "GbH"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In news[email protected],
> >Tom Woods <[email protected]> blithered:
> >> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:54:06 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
> >>> <[email protected]> writes
> >>>> second option - build a little box outside next to my drive. run
> >>>> mains to that and put the chargers in it. Run short charge cables
> >>>> from there to each car. I'm not so keen on this as i cant see what
> >>>> the chargers are doing. I do need to put in an outdoor socket
> >>>> anyway though so i can use tools outside easily.
> >>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified electrician
> >>> it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It is OK I
> >>> believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing circuit .
> >>
> >> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
> >> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of tea
> >> and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
> >>
> >> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing some
> >> wiring on my house?
> >> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and had a
> >> survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do they really
> >> think they can stop people doing work themselves?
> >
> >Yep, did it with Gas!
> >I suspect the main trouble will come from declined insurance claims, especially
> >fire!
>
> the insurers have never required our house to be inspected or tested in
> order to accept the business. If they then refuse a claim because of dodgy
> wiring, having not previously mentioned it, I reckon they're on a sticky
> wicket. Unless someone actually admits to having done work on it after the
> deadline.
>
> The real problem is that although wiring codes and general wiring practice
> are not hard for a reasonably intelligent person to understand and comply
> with, the cost of becoming licensed or certified to work on it is
> ridiculous.

I thnk you have hit the nail on the head - the real problem is that
people *cannot afford* to get someone in, so they will leave dodgy
wiring alone rather than fix it themselves (which is safer, I wonder?)
or just plug more and more leads into sockets, which we have been told
for years (guess who by? Could it the very same Government?) is
pretty dangerous. In other words, far from inceasing saftey this
lastest stupidity will will reduce it. Nice one (again) Tony!

Richard
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GbH

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• Oct 27, 2005

• #40

In news:[email protected],
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> blithered:
> On or around Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:05:35 -0000, "GbH"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In news:[email protected],
>> Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> blithered:
>>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>>
>>> Snip
>>>
>>>>> Sorry to sound pedantic, but unless you are a qualified
>>>>> electrician it is now illegal to add additional new circuits. It
>>>>> is OK I believe to put a new socket on the end of an existing
>>>>> circuit .
>>>>
>>>> I presume i'm allowed to add it if i attach it to the house via a
>>>> plug. Or get a suitably qualified mate to come round for a cup of
>>>> tea and attach the final cable to my fuse box?
>>>>
>>>> Though TBH are the police going to come and arrest me for doing
>>>> some wiring on my house?
>>>> I can imagine that i might have trouble if i was selling it and
>>>> had a survey done and didnt have the certificates for it but do
>>>> they really think they can stop people doing work themselves?
>>>
>>> .. and who is going to admit to having done any work after the
>>> deadline?
>>
>> When WAS the deadline?
>
> January this year for new projects, I think April for ongoing projects
> started before January.

So you're all dorked, guess I am too.

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