change from air suspension to springs

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Datatek said:
The EU bureauprats (sorry that should be bureaucrats) plan to outlaw all modifications from standard unless the mods have been thorough the homologation proceedure. That even includes exhaust systems.
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I agree Keith. But it is going to be interesting to see how this will be done. We have thousands of vehicles in this country fitted with aftermarket none standard tuning parts. With a multi million pound aftermarket boy racer/modder parts business sector. Bet there is a lot of head scratching going on at the MOT/VOSA.
 
Datatek said:
The EU bureauprats (sorry that should be bureaucrats) plan to outlaw all modifications from standard unless the mods have been thorough the homologation proceedure. That even includes exhaust systems.
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It will not happen as that is just an EU idea which will have to be so heavily changed meaning it's not practical to implement.
If you really think they are going to enforce that rule you better have a look at all your vehicles and start crying.
Maybe it's time to buy a Nissan micra. :doh:
 
spencer1885 said:
It will not happen as that is just an EU idea which will have to be so heavily changed meaning it's not practical to implement.
If you really think they are going to enforce that rule you better have a look at all your vehicles and start crying.
Maybe it's time to buy a Nissan micra. :doh:
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Of course there is another option which i would not put past our idiot rulers. That MOT stations would be required to examine and list any mods on the computer data base. Then you would get charged to have them added. Watch this space.
 
I can understand your frustration, especially with a big trip looming but we ought to be able to diagnose it between us. You've already had a couple of suggestions. It needn't be expensive to fix - just a bit time consuming.

The EAS can be somewhat paranoid and can log a hard fault for seemingly trivial reasons. It's just a case of finding out exactly what is triggering the fault and fixing it. It's only really expensive if you take it to a garage who either don't know what they're doing or are just out to rip you off.

Coil springs were never type approved for the P38 (in fact the P38 was designed around air suspension) so my view is that coils are really a no no (at least for a roadgoing vehicle). This argument has been ongoing for ages and people don't seem likely to change their opinions on it.

Unless you get ripped off at a garage, it will also cost far more to fit coils than to repair the EAS.
 
As I have posted before I E mailed VOSA and the new rules do NOT affect coils or any other mods that are legal like upgraded lights. I changed mine to coils, was not difficult and only took a couple of hours, have never regretted the change and would do the same again. Spoke to a X5 driver who was desperatly looking for a kit for his and an allroad driver who wished he could find a conversion (3K to repair on them) they agreed EAS over complicated and unreliable, now if we all just carried a kicker, laptop and had the knowlege it would be great, but funnily mine also handles better now.
Davie:D:D:D
 
spencer1885 said:
It will not happen as that is just an EU idea which will have to be so heavily changed meaning it's not practical to implement.
If you really think they are going to enforce that rule you better have a look at all your vehicles and start crying.
Maybe it's time to buy a Nissan micra. :doh:
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When the UK changes EU directives it is usually to add more layer of restrictive legislation. If the Bureauprats have their way, even vintage cars will be banned from the road.
Here it is already very difficult to get a modified car through the MOT, it requires an expensive physical check at a government testing station to get the mods approved and a certificate granting use.
 
No point in going on about what might happen, which is not going to happen, you don't won't to sound like an old woman :blabla::blabla:
Most old Land Rovers are kit cars :D
Springs it is then :D
 
kooky_guy said:
I can understand your frustration, especially with a big trip looming but we ought to be able to diagnose it between us. You've already had a couple of suggestions. It needn't be expensive to fix - just a bit time consuming.

The EAS can be somewhat paranoid and can log a hard fault for seemingly trivial reasons. It's just a case of finding out exactly what is triggering the fault and fixing it. It's only really expensive if you take it to a garage who either don't know what they're doing or are just out to rip you off.

Coil springs were never type approved for the P38 (in fact the P38 was designed around air suspension) so my view is that coils are really a no no (at least for a roadgoing vehicle). This argument has been ongoing for ages and people don't seem likely to change their opinions on it.

Thank u would really appreciate all the help we can get. We have brought ano-ring valve and diaphragm kit which will be trying to do this weekend if we recieve in time ha ha and if our 2 lads will let us, went out this am no faults come up went out for a total of N he's drive and it stayed on the bump stops which is not good for my back let alone my 22 month and 7 week old. This is the 2nd range we've brought in a matter of months first one was fitted with gas but didn't work (was on springs) took it to Hilton gas in featherstone by the m54 he said it's a waste of time we'll be throwing money after money to get it sorted or to have it replaced plus it had other problems so got this one and apart from eas problem (touch wood) once sorted it'll be fine
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Ok. So you've read the faults.

What are you using to read the faults? EAS Unlock on a laptop, or an EAS Kicker?

What did the last fault say? I'm a bit confused.
 
Linzie said:
Easy unlock suite on laptop, last fault was rr valve closed
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Are you sure it didn't say:

RR Valve Stuck Closed

This fault is indicating that there is a possible problem with the Rear Right solenoid valve. But...Be very wary of this fault code. The most likely cause of this fault code is a leak in one of the air springs or general leak in the system. Also make sure and check for a weak compressor. Find and repair all leaks in the system first. Also time how long the systems takes to pressurize the primary air tank.

All the fault codes and possible causes are listed here:

http://www.rswsolutions.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=8&Itemid=62

Plenty of advice on this site too.

Guy
 
linzie,you missed your chance,should have parked them both in Hansworth the other night ,problems solved.There is plenty of help on this site to solve your problem.Spencer 1885,you have obviously never had to MOT (ITV) a vehicle in Spain,they even check that the tyres fitted match those listed on your registration document.Dont match or of a higher spec =fail
 
Now now children. Enough squabbling.

Have you checked the condition of the airbags? That's the first place to check for a leak. If they're cracked or perished they need to be replaced.

I'm not entirely convinced by the suggested fault diagnosis - usually an air leak will generate a pressure switch fault. Unless it's a really big leak on that corner or its pipes.

Am I the only one trying to help here?
 
kooky_guy said:
Now now children. Enough squabbling.

Have you checked the condition of the airbags? That's the first place to check for a leak. If they're cracked or perished they need to be replaced.

I'm not entirely convinced by the suggested fault diagnosis - usually an air leak will generate a pressure switch fault. Unless it's a really big leak on that corner or its pipes.

Am I the only one trying to help here?
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i ask a question and started an argument sorry :(

my husband looked at the rear ones and the drivers side one looks like it's been replaced recently, but the pass side looked abit old but when we get it up to height it's always the drivers side that is higher than the rest.

We have changed the seal in the pump and it worked perfect pump kept kicking in which it never did before went up and down perfect till i went down the motorway then eas fault and 35 mph kicked in, when i got home i plugged it in and it came up with rr valve stuck closed cleared the fault tried getting it up to height nothing, even manually wouldn't do it. We have ordered an o ring kit with diaphram which we are going to change over the weekend as he is hoping this may solve it too.

I've now got the engine running to see what happens and checking heights and the rear is up to lr - 142 rr - 127 fl - 65 and fr - 53 which hasn't moved since i clicked on heights when i first retreived the heights, does that mean the fr is a faulty bag?:doh:
 
Don't worry, it's usually like that on here especially when coil springs are mentioned. :)

Have you checked for leaks on the bags and piping yet?

Mix up a mixture of washing up liquid and water in a water sprayer bottle. Spray it over the whole bag and pipes (including the pipe connections). Any leaks should produce visible bubbles.

That's probably your best place to start.

Do the same at the valve block end to check the pipe connections aren't leaking there.

Guy
 
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