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Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
them when i fit the bigger engine?

Alex
 
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>them when i fit the bigger engine?
>
>Alex


I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.

Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
(not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
is beginning to show.
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>
>> Alex

>
> I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
> vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.
>
> Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
> (not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
> It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
> is beginning to show.


Fit a Salisbury rear axle dude, Thats what I have on Percy, it coped very
well with a 4.2 Jag lump and 3 speed Auto that was fitted for two years and
many a traffic light moment.

If it's a SWB it will mean a bit of work moving the spring pads but it's not
rocket science as long as you fit them right. They are also cheap enough to
buy but will mean getting a custom prop made.

Lee D


--
www.lrproject.com

a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006
<http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm>

"Anti's - Give
them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope ;-) "


 

"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
> >Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
> >move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why

do
> >Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to

stop
> >them when i fit the bigger engine?
> >
> >Alex


Landrover half shafts are a lovely material to work with turning on a
lathe - if anyone has a pile of broken ones near me in Bromley I'd
gladly give you a few drinks for them!

AWEM



 

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
>> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>>
>>> Alex

>>
>> I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
>> vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.
>>
>> Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
>> (not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
>> It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
>> is beginning to show.

>
> Fit a Salisbury rear axle dude, Thats what I have on Percy, it coped very
> well with a 4.2 Jag lump and 3 speed Auto that was fitted for two years
> and many a traffic light moment.
>
> If it's a SWB it will mean a bit of work moving the spring pads but it's
> not rocket science as long as you fit them right. They are also cheap
> enough to buy but will mean getting a custom prop made.
>
> Lee D
>
>
> --
> www.lrproject.com
>
> a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006
> <http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm>
>
> "Anti's - Give
> them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope ;-) "

Lee wasn't there someone selling high spec ok for competition shafts
mentioned on AFL a bit back?
Derek


 
Alex wrote:

> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>
> Alex


It is rare to snap half axles on SWBs with the original engines but common
on lwbs. As others have suggested the answer is to fit a Salisbury rear
axle - these are virtually indestructible. The impression I have is that
axle quality suffered from the late sixties to the end of the seventies,
but I have no hard evidence of this. One contributing factor apart from
driving style is excessive free play in the drive train, and another is the
fitting of larger than standard tyres (maybe this is why lwbs break axles
more often).
JD
 
>>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>>

>>
>> I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
>> vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.
>>
>> Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
>> (not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
>> It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
>> is beginning to show.

>
>Fit a Salisbury rear axle dude, Thats what I have on Percy, it coped very
>well with a 4.2 Jag lump and 3 speed Auto that was fitted for two years and
>many a traffic light moment.
>
>If it's a SWB it will mean a bit of work moving the spring pads but it's not
>rocket science as long as you fit them right. They are also cheap enough to
>buy but will mean getting a custom prop made.



For the project with the bigger engine I will be moving spring/axle
mounts and having custom props anyway anyway, but I have no intention
of fitting Salisbury axles. In fact I have just cut up a 4.7:1
Salisbury axle, and have another one coming off a LWB donor vehicle
once I get the project under way. It's something to do with it being a
major hassle to different diffs to them. That and I find the
engineering principle behind using a pre-stressed casing for loading
abhorrent. This is not how axles should be built.

Alex
 
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:48:01 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Alex wrote:
>
>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>
>> Alex

>
>It is rare to snap half axles on SWBs with the original engines but common
>on lwbs. As others have suggested the answer is to fit a Salisbury rear
>axle - these are virtually indestructible. The impression I have is that
>axle quality suffered from the late sixties to the end of the seventies,
>but I have no hard evidence of this. One contributing factor apart from
>driving style is excessive free play in the drive train, and another is the
>fitting of larger than standard tyres (maybe this is why lwbs break axles
>more often).


Interesting, the two 88's I've had that have snapped halfshafts are
both late 60's, and both were fitted with 7.50x16 tyres. But i've
never snapped a LWB one. As for free play in the drive train, I did
have the propshaft come loose on this vehicle a couple of weeks ago,
which necessitated crawling underneath and removing it entirely in
order to continue my journey.

Alex
 
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:26:49 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
>scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>>move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>>Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>>them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>
>>Alex

>
>I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
>vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.
>
>Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
>(not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
>It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
>is beginning to show.


Hehe, yes, my driving can be like that, in fact the first halfshaft i
ever snapped was as a result of dropping the clutch at a set of
traffic lights. Oddly enough this one went with a bang just as I
stepped on the clutch to change up to 2nd. Thank goodness for that
little yellow knob.

Alex
 
Fit Maxidrive axles - you could put a V8 in it and they'd survive.
Dunno where you'd get them in the UK, but this mob can send them over for
you:
http://www.britishoffroad.com

A local bloke here in Qld makes them, and they're the best thing since
crunchy peanut butter.
There's uprated drive flanges, diff bits etc all available, although (touch
wood) I've never needed any of em.

-Craig.


"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>
> Alex



 
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:55:37 +0100, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Why do
>Series half-shafts snap so often,


The snapping is the final straw, it's all the metal fatiguing before
that does the damage. I think that its things like overrun after
wheelspinning in mud and applying the handbrake whist still moving
that does the damage.

AJH

 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>>>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>>>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>>>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have never (touches wood) managed to snap a halfshaft on any of my
>>> vehicles, which have included Series, Rangies, Discos and the 101.
>>>
>>> Some people have an aggressive driving style that snaps halfshafts
>>> (not that I'm suggesting you have this style of driving of course!!)
>>> It may be that a previous owner really abused the vehicle, and now it
>>> is beginning to show.

>>
>>Fit a Salisbury rear axle dude, Thats what I have on Percy, it coped very
>>well with a 4.2 Jag lump and 3 speed Auto that was fitted for two years
>>and
>>many a traffic light moment.
>>
>>If it's a SWB it will mean a bit of work moving the spring pads but it's
>>not
>>rocket science as long as you fit them right. They are also cheap enough
>>to
>>buy but will mean getting a custom prop made.

>
>
> For the project with the bigger engine I will be moving spring/axle
> mounts and having custom props anyway anyway, but I have no intention
> of fitting Salisbury axles. In fact I have just cut up a 4.7:1
> Salisbury axle, and have another one coming off a LWB donor vehicle
> once I get the project under way. It's something to do with it being a
> major hassle to different diffs to them. That and I find the
> engineering principle behind using a pre-stressed casing for loading
> abhorrent. This is not how axles should be built.
>
> Alex


I agree. There is no reason why reliable axles cannot be built with ease of
service built-in.

Huw


 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>
> Alex


They are absolutely crap quality. That is why the break. No such problem on
Daihatsu of the same age, certainly not now because they had bomb proof
mechanicals but seriously oxidising chassis and bodies ;-)

Huw


 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> For the project with the bigger engine I will be moving spring/axle
> mounts and having custom props anyway anyway, but I have no intention
> of fitting Salisbury axles. In fact I have just cut up a 4.7:1
> Salisbury axle,


Sigh... What a waste.

and have another one coming off a LWB donor vehicle
> once I get the project under way. It's something to do with it being a
> major hassle to different diffs to them. That and I find the
> engineering principle behind using a pre-stressed casing for loading
> abhorrent. This is not how axles should be built.
>
>

But the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say and they are
purely and simply well up to the job.

Martin.


 
CraigB wrote:
> Fit Maxidrive axles - you could put a V8 in it and they'd survive.
> Dunno where you'd get them in the UK, but this mob can send them over for
> you:
> http://www.britishoffroad.com
>
> A local bloke here in Qld makes them, and they're the best thing since
> crunchy peanut butter.
> There's uprated drive flanges, diff bits etc all available, although (touch
> wood) I've never needed any of em.


Or get a decent engineering crowd to make you some out of better
material and have them heat treated. I had 2 sets made years ago and
haven't broken one yet despite some serious abuse both on and off road.


--
EMB
 
Alex <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> For the project with the bigger engine I will be moving spring/axle
> mounts and having custom props anyway anyway, but I have no intention
> of fitting Salisbury axles. In fact I have just cut up a 4.7:1
> Salisbury axle, and have another one coming off a LWB donor vehicle
> once I get the project under way. It's something to do with it being a
> major hassle to different diffs to them. That and I find the
> engineering principle behind using a pre-stressed casing for loading
> abhorrent. This is not how axles should be built.
>
> Alex


O.K.

"Cake" and "eat it" come to mind though.

I think you've answered your own question.

;-)

Lee D


 
EMB wrote:
> CraigB wrote:
>> Fit Maxidrive axles - you could put a V8 in it and they'd survive.
>> Dunno where you'd get them in the UK, but this mob can send them
>> over for you:
>> http://www.britishoffroad.com
>>
>> A local bloke here in Qld makes them, and they're the best thing
>> since crunchy peanut butter.
>> There's uprated drive flanges, diff bits etc all available, although
>> (touch wood) I've never needed any of em.

>
> Or get a decent engineering crowd to make you some out of better
> material and have them heat treated. I had 2 sets made years ago and
> haven't broken one yet despite some serious abuse both on and off
> road.


Which only goes to prove that the original equipment was made from the
cheapest material possible and only marginally better than liquorice or
marzipan.

Huw


 
CraigB wrote:
> Fit Maxidrive axles - you could put a V8 in it and they'd survive.
> Dunno where you'd get them in the UK, but this mob can send them over for
> you:
> http://www.britishoffroad.com
>
> A local bloke here in Qld makes them, and they're the best thing since
> crunchy peanut butter.
> There's uprated drive flanges, diff bits etc all available, although (touch
> wood) I've never needed any of em.
>
> -Craig.
>
>
> "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Bust another half-shaft today, nothing strenuous, just a quick
>> move-off and it snapped when i lifted off to change into 2nd. Why do
>> Series half-shafts snap so often, and how the hell am I going to stop
>> them when i fit the bigger engine?
>>
>> Alex

>
>

Whereabouts in QLD is that? I'm in Brissie, & I break the odd half shaft in my
88 every now & again.

Karen

--
"Sometimes I think I have a Guardian Idiot - a little invisible spirit just
behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" - Jake Stonebender
 
Karen Gallagher wrote:

> Whereabouts in QLD is that? I'm in Brissie, & I break the odd half shaft
> in my 88 every now & again.


MAXI-DRIVE ENGINEERING

4 Ryecroft St, Carrara, Qld, Australia, 4211
Phone: 07 5530 3934
Fax: 07 5530 3932


--
EMB
 
EMB wrote:
> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Whereabouts in QLD is that? I'm in Brissie, & I break the odd half
>> shaft in my 88 every now & again.

>
> MAXI-DRIVE ENGINEERING
>
> 4 Ryecroft St, Carrara, Qld, Australia, 4211
> Phone: 07 5530 3934
> Fax: 07 5530 3932
>
>

Thanks EMB, I'll give them a bell in the morning :)

Karen

--
"Sometimes I think I have a Guardian Idiot - a little invisible spirit just
behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" - Jake Stonebender
 
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