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Nige

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Freezing cold morning this morning & there battery was flat. I was fitting my TOMTOM stuff last night &
left the bloody interior & puddle lights on all night ffs!!

Then, a really odd one, I'm driving normally at normal speed & I hear a pop from the back end. Slowly
over the next hour the cars arse end gets very floaty & bouncy. I have a good look round to find it's
blown it's NSR damper. Not a hint of damping action, heave it up & it bounces around for ages!! Never had
one go like that before!!

Nige (RICHARD!!!!!)

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Range Rover LSE (Bob)

'"gimme the f*ckin' money"


 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Freezing cold morning this morning & there battery was flat. I was fitting
> my TOMTOM stuff last night & left the bloody interior & puddle lights on
> all night ffs!!
>
> Then, a really odd one, I'm driving normally at normal speed & I hear a
> pop from the back end. Slowly over the next hour the cars arse end gets
> very floaty & bouncy. I have a good look round to find it's blown it's NSR
> damper. Not a hint of damping action, heave it up & it bounces around for
> ages!! Never had one go like that before!!
>
> Nige (RICHARD!!!!!)
>
> --
> Subaru WRX
> Range Rover LSE (Bob)
>
> '"gimme the f*ckin' money"
have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun when it
freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid first pot hole
and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to play with
Derek


 
Derek wrote:

> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
> play with Derek

Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air suspension had chucked a mental after the
dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually have & the punishment they must
take!!

Nige

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Range Rover LSE (Bob)

'"gimme the f*ckin' money"


 
On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:30 -0000, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Derek wrote:
>
>> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
>> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
>> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
>> play with Derek
>
>Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air suspension had chucked a mental after the
>dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually have & the punishment they must
>take!!

's true. even fscked dampers damp amazingly, compared to no dampers at all.

gotta do dampers on the minibus. Tempted to get some rear disco ones and
devise a way of attaching 'em to the axle (the LDV ones are eyes both ends)
on the grounds that rear disco ones are cheap as chips and LDV ones cost an
arm and a leg by comparison

tried welding an eye on the bottom of an old LR one in place of the stud,
but the heat blew the damper. 'course, it might've been weak due to rust,
but I'm not sure I want to chance it on one that's cost money.

I am aware that series dampers (or some of) are eyes both ends, but they
don't work - its' got some at the moment by way of an experiment, and they
didn't really damp enough when put on there, and certainly don't now. The
LDV is on single-leaf springs, which obviously have no inherent damping
unlike a multileaf LR spring. Dampers designed for coil springs are, I
assume, stiffer.

--
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"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:30 -0000, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Derek wrote:
> >
> >> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
> >> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
> >> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
> >> play with Derek
> >
> >Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air suspension had chucked a mental after the
> >dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually have & the punishment they must
> >take!!
>
> 's true. even fscked dampers damp amazingly, compared to no dampers at all.
>
> gotta do dampers on the minibus. Tempted to get some rear disco ones and
> devise a way of attaching 'em to the axle (the LDV ones are eyes both ends)
> on the grounds that rear disco ones are cheap as chips and LDV ones cost an
> arm and a leg by comparison
>
> tried welding an eye on the bottom of an old LR one in place of the stud,
> but the heat blew the damper. 'course, it might've been weak due to rust,
> but I'm not sure I want to chance it on one that's cost money.
>
> I am aware that series dampers (or some of) are eyes both ends, but they
> don't work - its' got some at the moment by way of an experiment, and they
> didn't really damp enough when put on there, and certainly don't now. The
> LDV is on single-leaf springs, which obviously have no inherent damping
> unlike a multileaf LR spring. Dampers designed for coil springs are, I
> assume, stiffer.
>

How about...

RTC4235 Shock Absorber - Rear - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
RTC4234 Shock Absorber - Front - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT

these have been made to fit Isuzu Troopers!

or if your lottery ticket comes up.......

DA4163 88 Rear De-Carbon Gas Shock Absorber £37.60 inc VAT
DA4162 88/109 De-Carbon Front Gas Shock Absorber £35.24 inc VAT

Richard

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On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:13:10 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>How about...
>
>RTC4235 Shock Absorber - Rear - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
>RTC4234 Shock Absorber - Front - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
>
>these have been made to fit Isuzu Troopers!

d' you mean "people have used them on" by that, or "the same damper also
fits" ?

What I put on it are the Spanish ones that Chris Perfect had to go with
parabolic springs. Might be that they're crap, of course.

The front ones have "small" eyes, as well, originally, although the front
ones don't seem as bad as the rears.

D'you know whether HD ones are different rate, or just better made or more
oil in 'em or something?

wot about the 1 Ton ones? are they double-eye fitting? The 88 is probably
a lighter vehicle and made to take less load than the minibus - I expect the
minibus' spring rates are nearer to a 1 ton LR...
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"Brevis esse laboro, Obscurus fio" (it is when I struggle to be
brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25
 
Austin, what is the set-up you have ? chassis and rear axle ? you want to
use disco dampers which have what sort of fixings at each end..

Rich

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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:30 -0000, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Derek wrote:
> >
> >> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
> >> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
> >> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
> >> play with Derek
> >
> >Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air suspension
had chucked a mental after the
> >dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually have
& the punishment they must
> >take!!
>
> 's true. even fscked dampers damp amazingly, compared to no dampers at
all.
>
> gotta do dampers on the minibus. Tempted to get some rear disco ones and
> devise a way of attaching 'em to the axle (the LDV ones are eyes both
ends)
> on the grounds that rear disco ones are cheap as chips and LDV ones cost
an
> arm and a leg by comparison
>
> tried welding an eye on the bottom of an old LR one in place of the stud,
> but the heat blew the damper. 'course, it might've been weak due to rust,
> but I'm not sure I want to chance it on one that's cost money.
>
> I am aware that series dampers (or some of) are eyes both ends, but they
> don't work - its' got some at the moment by way of an experiment, and they
> didn't really damp enough when put on there, and certainly don't now. The
> LDV is on single-leaf springs, which obviously have no inherent damping
> unlike a multileaf LR spring. Dampers designed for coil springs are, I
> assume, stiffer.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
> something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
> we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)


 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:13:10 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >How about...
> >
> >RTC4235 Shock Absorber - Rear - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
> >RTC4234 Shock Absorber - Front - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
> >
> >these have been made to fit Isuzu Troopers!
>
> d' you mean "people have used them on" by that, or "the same damper also
> fits" ?
>

I think a bit of jiggery-pokery was involved - I'll ask him when I see him.

> What I put on it are the Spanish ones that Chris Perfect had to go with
> parabolic springs. Might be that they're crap, of course.
>
> The front ones have "small" eyes, as well, originally, although the front
> ones don't seem as bad as the rears.
>
> D'you know whether HD ones are different rate, or just better made or more
> oil in 'em or something?

They take more effort to push and pull - I've never quantified that.

>
> wot about the 1 Ton ones? are they double-eye fitting? The 88 is probably
> a lighter vehicle and made to take less load than the minibus - I expect the
> minibus' spring rates are nearer to a 1 ton LR...

RTC4231 Shock Absorber - Front - 1-Ton - 109 £15.27

I can't detect whether there is more damping, but they are a tad longer
I think

Richard
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On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:23:42 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> D'you know whether HD ones are different rate, or just better made or more
>> oil in 'em or something?
>
>They take more effort to push and pull - I've never quantified that.

so presumably stiffer, and thus may be what I want, at that.
>>
>> wot about the 1 Ton ones? are they double-eye fitting? The 88 is probably
>> a lighter vehicle and made to take less load than the minibus - I expect the
>> minibus' spring rates are nearer to a 1 ton LR...
>
>RTC4231 Shock Absorber - Front - 1-Ton - 109 £15.27
>
>I can't detect whether there is more damping, but they are a tad longer
>I think

The ones on the minibus are the same length (and for all I know, same unit)
front and rear, but with smaller eyes on the front ones, although it's
possible to fit the series LR size eyes, I've done so, needed a bit of
modding to the bushes.

LR front ones are a bit shorter (shut and open) while rear ones are a bit
longer. Technically, the front ones could in theory affect the front axle
travel, except for the fact that there isn't that much movement even if you
jack it up one-sided so that one front wheel is off the ground - the springs
don't have that much give. The longer ones on the rear of course will
technically give a bit more travel, but again, the suspension just doesn't
flex that much. Neither damper when fully shut will stop the axle hitting
the bumpstops, in my judgment, so from that point of view they're OK. I
guess if the 1 ton front ones are a bit longer, they might suit the front
better, assuming they're equally stiff, that is.

However, the front ones at the moment don't seem too bad - 's the back end
that's being especially unruly - so mebbe I'll just order a pair of rear HD.

Any difference between LWB and SWB? Or are they different fitting? My
series book is outside...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:48:23 GMT, "Rich"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin, what is the set-up you have ? chassis and rear axle ? you want to
>use disco dampers which have what sort of fixings at each end..

It's for an LDV Convoy. The original dampers are ring both ends, but disco
ones are ring at the top and thread at the bottom. I could however make an
adpater to go on the axle. But I might try some HD series ones on it first
- since they fit with no mods at all.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
Which did you send me Richard?

ta

Nige

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3f5fddd14d%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:30 -0000, "Nige"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >Derek wrote:
>> >
>> >> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
>> >> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
>> >> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
>> >> play with Derek
>> >
>> >Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air
>> >suspension had chucked a mental after the
>> >dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually
>> >have & the punishment they must
>> >take!!
>>
>> 's true. even fscked dampers damp amazingly, compared to no dampers at
>> all.
>>
>> gotta do dampers on the minibus. Tempted to get some rear disco ones and
>> devise a way of attaching 'em to the axle (the LDV ones are eyes both
>> ends)
>> on the grounds that rear disco ones are cheap as chips and LDV ones cost
>> an
>> arm and a leg by comparison
>>
>> tried welding an eye on the bottom of an old LR one in place of the stud,
>> but the heat blew the damper. 'course, it might've been weak due to
>> rust,
>> but I'm not sure I want to chance it on one that's cost money.
>>
>> I am aware that series dampers (or some of) are eyes both ends, but they
>> don't work - its' got some at the moment by way of an experiment, and
>> they
>> didn't really damp enough when put on there, and certainly don't now.
>> The
>> LDV is on single-leaf springs, which obviously have no inherent damping
>> unlike a multileaf LR spring. Dampers designed for coil springs are, I
>> assume, stiffer.
>>
>
> How about...
>
> RTC4235 Shock Absorber - Rear - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
> RTC4234 Shock Absorber - Front - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
>
> these have been made to fit Isuzu Troopers!
>
> or if your lottery ticket comes up.......
>
> DA4163 88 Rear De-Carbon Gas Shock Absorber £37.60 inc VAT
> DA4162 88/109 De-Carbon Front Gas Shock Absorber £35.24 inc VAT
>
> Richard
>
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay


 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:23:42 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> D'you know whether HD ones are different rate, or just better made or more
> >> oil in 'em or something?
> >
> >They take more effort to push and pull - I've never quantified that.
>
> so presumably stiffer, and thus may be what I want, at that.
> >>
> >> wot about the 1 Ton ones? are they double-eye fitting? The 88 is probably
> >> a lighter vehicle and made to take less load than the minibus - I expect the
> >> minibus' spring rates are nearer to a 1 ton LR...
> >
> >RTC4231 Shock Absorber - Front - 1-Ton - 109 £15.27
> >
> >I can't detect whether there is more damping, but they are a tad longer
> >I think
>
> The ones on the minibus are the same length (and for all I know, same unit)
> front and rear, but with smaller eyes on the front ones, although it's
> possible to fit the series LR size eyes, I've done so, needed a bit of
> modding to the bushes.
>
> LR front ones are a bit shorter (shut and open) while rear ones are a bit
> longer. Technically, the front ones could in theory affect the front axle
> travel, except for the fact that there isn't that much movement even if you
> jack it up one-sided so that one front wheel is off the ground - the springs
> don't have that much give. The longer ones on the rear of course will
> technically give a bit more travel, but again, the suspension just doesn't
> flex that much. Neither damper when fully shut will stop the axle hitting
> the bumpstops, in my judgment, so from that point of view they're OK. I
> guess if the 1 ton front ones are a bit longer, they might suit the front
> better, assuming they're equally stiff, that is.
>
> However, the front ones at the moment don't seem too bad - 's the back end
> that's being especially unruly - so mebbe I'll just order a pair of rear HD.
>
> Any difference between LWB and SWB? Or are they different fitting? My
> series book is outside...
>

The 88 and 109 fronts have different part numbers, the 109 rears have
a pin at the bottom rather than a loop.

Richard
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In message <[email protected]>
"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Which did you send me Richard?
>
> ta
>
> Nige
>
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:3f5fddd14d%[email protected]...
> > In message <[email protected]>
> > Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On or around Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:30 -0000, "Nige"
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >> >Derek wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> have you ever had one injest water ( on a mini btw) thats real fun
> >> >> when it freezes no damping required the suspension is just rock solid
> >> >> first pot hole and your fillings fall out, bit like a SII I used to
> >> >> play with Derek
> >> >
> >> >Nope, but this one had me going for a bit as i thought the air
> >> >suspension had chucked a mental after the
> >> >dead battery incident!! It is amazing how much control they actually
> >> >have & the punishment they must
> >> >take!!
> >>
> >> 's true. even fscked dampers damp amazingly, compared to no dampers at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> gotta do dampers on the minibus. Tempted to get some rear disco ones and
> >> devise a way of attaching 'em to the axle (the LDV ones are eyes both
> >> ends)
> >> on the grounds that rear disco ones are cheap as chips and LDV ones cost
> >> an
> >> arm and a leg by comparison
> >>
> >> tried welding an eye on the bottom of an old LR one in place of the stud,
> >> but the heat blew the damper. 'course, it might've been weak due to
> >> rust,
> >> but I'm not sure I want to chance it on one that's cost money.
> >>
> >> I am aware that series dampers (or some of) are eyes both ends, but they
> >> don't work - its' got some at the moment by way of an experiment, and
> >> they
> >> didn't really damp enough when put on there, and certainly don't now.
> >> The
> >> LDV is on single-leaf springs, which obviously have no inherent damping
> >> unlike a multileaf LR spring. Dampers designed for coil springs are, I
> >> assume, stiffer.
> >>
> >
> > How about...
> >
> > RTC4235 Shock Absorber - Rear - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
> > RTC4234 Shock Absorber - Front - Heavy Duty - 88in £17.86 inc VAT
> >
> > these have been made to fit Isuzu Troopers!
> >
> > or if your lottery ticket comes up.......
> >
> > DA4163 88 Rear De-Carbon Gas Shock Absorber £37.60 inc VAT
> > DA4162 88/109 De-Carbon Front Gas Shock Absorber £35.24 inc VAT
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --
> > www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> > Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> > Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> > Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay
>
>
38a Rear - Armstrong

Richard
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On or around Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:26:19 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The 88 and 109 fronts have different part numbers, the 109 rears have
>a pin at the bottom rather than a loop.

ah, thought that might be the case.

I'll think about it some more.
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Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:

> It's for an LDV Convoy. The original dampers are ring both ends, but
> disco ones are ring at the top and thread at the bottom. I could
> however make an adpater to go on the axle. But I might try some HD
> series ones on it first - since they fit with no mods at all.

Horrid horrid suspension on the front of them. Our fleet spent along time
off the road with mounts torn off.... then again we didn't hold back on the
horses at speed bumps as we tended to be in somewhat of a hurry when going
for chips.

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