Bio diesel in TD5

markconnor33 said:

Hi fellow bio-brewer.

Just out of interest, where are you, and where do you get your methanol and KOH from. Might do some business with you, if you can beat my suppliers cost/locality. Or alternatively could club together and buy methanol by the IBC load.

Mark

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Just off the A1/M62 intersection.
I get my methonal by the IBC & KOH in 25Kg sacks- it's cheaper that way
I'll pm you the bulk supplier I use, but they're not interested in small quantities. Hence why I sell small lots on fleabay.
How much you paying for yours?

LR90 said:

Hmmm very nice shame your up york bit far for me come fill my tank LOL
What price for a couple of 1000L IBC's?
cheers

If you want pm me no mither!

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lol
I make 50 litre batches at a time, just for my own use- not a commercial enterprise.
It'd take me 40 days non stop to make you a couple of IBC's worth...
Why not make yer own?
Its not hard, just need a bit of time & some equipment.
Saving 75-80p a litre on regular derv prices- thats a £40 saving on a tankful.
it'll soon pay for itself.

Tivster said:

Just off the A1/M62 intersection.
I get my methonal by the IBC & KOH in 25Kg sacks- it's cheaper that way
I'll pm you the bulk supplier I use, but they're not interested in small quantities. Hence why I sell small lots on fleabay.
How much you paying for yours?

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I buy my methanol in a 205L drum

Currently about £90 for 200L, KOH is about £36/25kg from Spen Valley Biodiesel in Cleckheaton.

Cheers
MArk

markconnor33 said:

I buy my methanol in a 205L drum

Currently about £90 for 200L, KOH is about £36/25kg from Spen Valley Biodiesel in Cleckheaton.

Cheers
MArk

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That KOH is cheap.
Methanol a bit dearer than my supplier. Swings & roundabouts s'pose
I use Trinity, but have it delivered.

Ahh good old Trinity

The fussy ones who won't refill drums/IBC's or let you out of the vehicle in their yard.

Might be interested in splitting the cost of an IBC with you sometime, and filling two of my 205L drums.

Cheers
Mark

markconnor33 said:

Ahh good old Trinity

Might be interested in splitting the cost of an IBC with you sometime, and filling two of my 205L drums.

Cheers
Mark

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No probs- I'll give you a shout next time.

Re filtering used engine oil...........would the filter bags that you can buy be sufficient?

Using old engine oil is illegal, and will do neither the environment nor your engine any good due to metalic residues.

Thats me told:doh::doh:

Sorry mate

Says who ???

markconnor33 said:

Using old engine oil is illegal...

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Illegal if you don't pay duty on it.

Illegal if emissions are bad enough on your vehicle.

Can't imagine insurers would be too impressed either.

markconnor33 said:

Illegal if you don't pay duty on it. Paid VAT when it was bought the revenue have had their pound of flesh and the millitary have been doing it for decades. Sauce for the goose etc...

Illegal if emissions are bad enough on your vehicle. That goes for any engine on any fuel. Passed two MOTs on two different TD5 engines with no probs.

Can't imagine insurers would be too impressed either. Its not rocket fuel and performance is virtually unchanged. Do you tell your insurers that you are running on diesel, or chip fat, or SVO, or WVO, or lard, everytime you fill up?

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I fully agree with your sentiments, I'm sick off Rip off Britain too, but I don't think you'd save your vehicle from HMRC's crusher if they caught you using engine oil.

Good luck though Shifty!!

Insurers are looking for any reason not to pay out after an accident, and don't imagine they don't come on public forums/dip fuel tanks after accidents.

Just playing Devil's advocate here. I'm not quite as green as I'm cabbage looking though.
All the current legislation makes reference to "reclaimed oils" and does not specify any particular flavour. It currently allows any private individual to make 2500 litres of fuel for their own use with no tax liability so long as they are not using it for business purposes. Now we all know that they mean veggie oils and not dino oils but there exists a grey area which many peeps are exploiting quite sucessfully in the wallet department. A diesel engine is after all just an oil burner and within reason does not really care what you put in it.

Shifty1962 said:

Just playing Devil's advocate here. I'm not quite as green as I'm cabbage looking though.
All the current legislation makes reference to "reclaimed oils" and does not specify any particular flavour. It currently allows any private individual to make 2500 litres of fuel for their own use with no tax liability so long as they are not using it for business purposes. Now we all know that they mean veggie oils and not dino oils but there exists a grey area which many peeps are exploiting quite sucessfully in the wallet department. A diesel engine is after all just an oil burner and within reason does not really care what you put in it.

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i wish someone had been this forthcoming the other day (not you shifty) - could you point me in the vague general direction on the HMRC site where it defines what constitutes an allowable mix please - even to where it states the term "reclaimed oils"

ave been trying to find this out for a while

Suppose you could be right on the "reclaimed" bit, but you'd have to be very careful

Good luck.

as far as i know reclaimed oils only includes waste cooking grade and biomass type

hmmmm "biofuels" are only defined as such if the sulphur content doesn't exceed 0.005 % - am fairly sure there's a fair bit of sulpher (0.5%?) in engine oils, so how would that be removed in order to legalize it without setting up a ickle lab

where's Dr Ice when you need him

Without doing a specific search I can not point to any one place where it is laid down in black and white. As with all government red tape it is ill thought out and vague in its interpretation. What should have been quite simple becomes a nightmare as they add to and alter their initial mistakes.

If you go to some of the pro "bio" web sites they have various bits and pieces that you can cobble together. I spent several months a few years ago looking into this and decided that bio involved to much messing around with chemicals and the like. I did not fancy 200 litres of Ethanol sitting around in my garage along with various other nasties including barrel heaters, dessicators, and sludge tanks. I dont think there is any such thing as an "allowable mix" because the process of making bio depends entirely on the quality and type of the veggie oil along with temperature, water content, how many sausages it has fried and who has dropped their biscuits in it.

Used engine oil just needs filtering and thinning. The lumpy bits start the bonfire on Nov 5th and the rest makes fuel. Simple.

Sean said:

i wish someone had been this forthcoming the other day (not you shifty) - could you point me in the vague general direction on the HMRC site where it defines what constitutes an allowable mix please - even to where it states the term "reclaimed oils"

ave been trying to find this out for a while

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