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Those who are on the UK-LRO list will have seen a very sorry tale of
Remco (little landies) being pushed around by show organiser Richard
(spit) Green and being booted off the stand where he'd been invited as
a guest, let risk being removed from the site.

Apparently only Green himslef may sell models at the show - which
appears to be anti-competitive. Similar tales of jackbooted
organisation surface each year - many traders have had similar
experiences.

Seems to me that Green is more interested in lining his own pocket
than protecting the interests and security of visitors and traders.
An increase in theft - including a 1,500 quid generator which couldn't
possibly have been an opportunistic 'walk away' (takes 2 people to
lift it) indicates an organised presence at the show of those who seek
to remove what is not theirs.

Perhaps someone should tell Green that organised crime at such 'shows'
is known to be on the increase and his "security" may be better placed
in preventing such theft - rather than threatening small traders.


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Mother wrote:

> Apparently only Green himself may sell models at the show - which
> appears to be anti-competitive. Similar tales of jackbooted
> organisation surface each year - many traders have had similar
> experiences.

Yes, that's quite sad - it would have been nice to see little landies
instead of stuff like car polishing mops. However, I'd like to know what
(if any) stands were doing the same thing - it must be very tempting to
sublet part of your stand and in the real world it would be impossible for
LRE to find out what kind of deals were done, whether it was a real gift of
space or a sublet for monetary gain.

If it was a sublet and they LRE are losing out and I can understand LRE
being upset (though I don't agree with the action - they obviously need to
introduce more smaller cheaper stands to ensure it doesn't happen again)

I think if it were a case of a non-profit organisation then that's
completely different and they should be allowed to split their stands to
other non-profit organisations as much as they want.

> Perhaps someone should tell Green that organised crime at such 'shows'
> is known to be on the increase and his "security" may be better placed
> in preventing such theft - rather than threatening small traders.

I don't know the man at all, never seen him but I think I will see if I can
find his email address later on tonight to see what reasons he comes up
with for getting rid of little landies because if he admits that they were
ejected because they were direct competition then I will have no sympathy
for him. Until then he gets the benefit of the doubt from me....

On another note, I saw grumble in the flesh for the first time :) Would
have introduced myself but you were deeply engrossed in giving a tour to
another gentleman who sounded like he was going to do a 101 camper and
lunch beckoned! Very nicely finished 90/hybrid(?) beside grumble as well
with the neat rear winch mounting on the plasma rope stand......

Regards

William MacLeod
 
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:03:02 GMT, William MacLeod
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't know the man at all, never seen him but I think I will see if I can
>find his email address later on tonight to see what reasons he comes up
>with for getting rid of little landies because if he admits that they were
>ejected because they were direct competition then I will have no sympathy
>for him. Until then he gets the benefit of the doubt from me....

I suspect I know the reasons - but I've probably said enuf ;-)

>On another note, I saw grumble in the flesh for the first time :) Would
>have introduced myself but you were deeply engrossed in giving a tour to
>another gentleman who sounded like he was going to do a 101 camper and

Never too busy to chat - apart from taking the props off an all... ;-)

>lunch beckoned! Very nicely finished 90/hybrid(?) beside grumble as well
>with the neat rear winch mounting on the plasma rope stand......

Cue Lee Argyle :) It is nice, isn't it.


--
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from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


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Very nicely finished 90/hybrid(?) beside grumble as well
with the neat rear winch mounting on the plasma rope stand......
>
> Cue Lee Argyle :) It is nice, isn't it.

That's me!

Check out LRO that just out (August edition)
Famous at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lee

PS Enjoyed the show, laughed at some of the prices the trade stands were
selling scrap for and even got a little sun tan.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:03:02 GMT, William MacLeod
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I don't know the man at all, never seen him but I think I will see if I
can
> >find his email address later on tonight to see what reasons he comes up
> >with for getting rid of little landies because if he admits that they
were
> >ejected because they were direct competition then I will have no sympathy
> >for him. Until then he gets the benefit of the doubt from me....
>
> I suspect I know the reasons - but I've probably said enuf ;-)
>
> >On another note, I saw grumble in the flesh for the first time :) Would
> >have introduced myself but you were deeply engrossed in giving a tour to
> >another gentleman who sounded like he was going to do a 101 camper and
>
> Never too busy to chat - apart from taking the props off an all... ;-)
>
> >lunch beckoned! Very nicely finished 90/hybrid(?) beside grumble as well
> >with the neat rear winch mounting on the plasma rope stand......
>
> Cue Lee Argyle :) It is nice, isn't it.
>
>
> --
> Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
>
>
> Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info


 
>I don't know the man at all, never seen him but I think I will see if I can
>find his email address later on tonight to see what reasons he comes up
>with for getting rid of little landies because if he admits that they were
>ejected because they were direct competition then I will have no sympathy
>for him. Until then he gets the benefit of the doubt from me....
>

I've had an email conversation with him, after which I left with the
impression that he is a self-important tosser who takes no
responsibility for anything, least of all his own actions.

But I could be wrong.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Those who are on the UK-LRO list will have seen a very sorry tale of
> Remco (little landies) being pushed around by show organiser Richard
> (spit) Green and being booted off the stand where he'd been invited as
> a guest, let risk being removed from the site.
>
> Apparently only Green himslef may sell models at the show - which
> appears to be anti-competitive. Similar tales of jackbooted
> organisation surface each year - many traders have had similar
> experiences.
>
> Seems to me that Green is more interested in lining his own pocket
> than protecting the interests and security of visitors and traders.
> An increase in theft - including a 1,500 quid generator which couldn't
> possibly have been an opportunistic 'walk away' (takes 2 people to
> lift it) indicates an organised presence at the show of those who seek
> to remove what is not theirs.
>
> Perhaps someone should tell Green that organised crime at such 'shows'
> is known to be on the increase and his "security" may be better placed
> in preventing such theft - rather than threatening small traders.
>
>

At Driffield Spring Adventure i heard tell from several different traders
that the police caught a gang, impounded their vehicles, and then the
thieves tried to nick them back from the compound on the Sunday..... One
trader did tell me that the gang were all Scousers, which does seem a bit
stereotypical....

I know that theft is beginning to happen at all the shows now. Shame really
that some little toe rag has to go and spoil all our fun. Trouble is, stuff
going missing can ruin the show for some of the smaller outfits, even though
insurance etc covers them.

It wasn't just the trade stands they were nicking from though. Four doors
down from my friends caravan had their Dixon Bate adjustable tow hitch
removed from his vehicle one evening.....

--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how
much more....)
3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, currently under restoration
Suzuki SJ410 (Girlfriend's) 3" lift kit fitted, body
shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug)

Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk


 
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:49:02 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

[Richard Green]

>I've had an email conversation with him, after which I left with the
>impression that he is a self-important tosser who takes no
>responsibility for anything, least of all his own actions.

I think you rate him much higher than I ever would.

>But I could be wrong.

Maybe we both are...

 
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:09 +0000 (UTC), "LEE ARGYLE"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>That's me!

Whey!

>Check out LRO that just out (August edition)
>Famous at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mine hasnt arrived yet (i'm almost sure I renewed the subscription..
hmm...)

About time too. I trust there were plenty of 'decent' pics ;-)

>PS Enjoyed the show, laughed at some of the prices the trade stands were
>selling scrap for and even got a little sun tan.

Yeah. I'm going to get another trade stand next year dedicated to
"TOTAL CRAP". Seems my cellar full of Landie-sh!te may be worth a
small fortune!


--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
 
On or around Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:46:23 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>Mine hasnt arrived yet (i'm almost sure I renewed the subscription..
>hmm...)

I didn't, the content has got less (and less interesting) and the price is
ever increasing. I'll restrict meself to buying the odd copy now and then,
together with the odd copy of LRE, and others, that take my fancy.

I do rather suspect that glossy magazine pricing is on the "what the market
will stand" basis these days.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:16:40 +0000 (UTC), "Simon Isaacs"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>It wasn't just the trade stands they were nicking from though. Four doors
>down from my friends caravan had their Dixon Bate adjustable tow hitch
>removed from his vehicle one evening.....

and that very likely ain't covered by insurance. reminds me, must hunt
small padlocks to secure the buggers - the R clip thing is all fine but not
secure. it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock, which would deter the
casual tealeaves. Since it's impossible to secure anything against aa
determined thief, there's no point in trying.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I don't know the man at all, never seen him but I think I will see if I
can
> >find his email address later on tonight to see what reasons he comes up
> >with for getting rid of little landies because if he admits that they
were
> >ejected because they were direct competition then I will have no sympathy
> >for him. Until then he gets the benefit of the doubt from me....
> >
>
> I've had an email conversation with him, after which I left with the
> impression that he is a self-important tosser who takes no
> responsibility for anything, least of all his own actions.
>
> But I could be wrong.

Please feel free to post, so we can be the judge.


 
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:48:20 +0100, "David French"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Please feel free to post, so we can be the judge.

I still have the recorded telephone conversations with him, Taylor and
Girling (in Canada) should I ever feel the need to back up my
impression of them. Taylor was actually the most helpful, the other
two I would not urinate upon should they be on fire.


--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock,
> which would deter the casual tealeaves.

I've been doing this for a while - works well, and only adds a minute or so
to a change of towing height. You need a padlock with a long shackle,
though. Being in the position they are, they don't last long either.

--

Rich
Tiggrr - V8 trialler
RR 4.6HSE

"Her name was Mia
From North Korea
I said come over
Bring your Land Rover"


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> I do rather suspect that glossy magazine pricing is on the "what the
> market will stand" basis these days.

What other basis would you expect them to use, Austin? ;-)

--

Rich
Tiggrr - V8 trialler
RR 4.6HSE


 
we have a small padlock on our discovery, been there for 5 years now. just
soaking
it in thin oil once in a while seems to work ok. although the one on our 90
i keep inside the car
Richard


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock,
> > which would deter the casual tealeaves.
>
> I've been doing this for a while - works well, and only adds a minute or
so
> to a change of towing height. You need a padlock with a long shackle,
> though. Being in the position they are, they don't last long either.
>
> --
>
> Rich
> Tiggrr - V8 trialler
> RR 4.6HSE
>
> "Her name was Mia
> From North Korea
> I said come over
> Bring your Land Rover"
>
>



 
On or around Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:16:54 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>> I do rather suspect that glossy magazine pricing is on the "what the
>> market will stand" basis these days.
>
>What other basis would you expect them to use, Austin? ;-)

well, they needn't be so bloody blatant about it. seems to go up about
every other month, and I don't believe inflation's that bad.

they could try holding the price down to a reasonable level for the benefit
of the consumers... might even sell more magazines.

about the only one I buy semi-regularly now is "car". Which, although just
as expensive, does have a few good writers and photographers still, and
isn't afraid to describe something as a heap of crap if that's what it is.


bit in the latest one I bought about a chap who's bought (actually, I think
some kind of lease) Schumacher's 2001 F1 car, in order to race it. Needless
to say, the bloke has money.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:42:23 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:48:20 +0100, "David French"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Please feel free to post, so we can be the judge.
>
>I still have the recorded telephone conversations with him, Taylor and
>Girling (in Canada) should I ever feel the need to back up my
>impression of them. Taylor was actually the most helpful, the other
>two I would not urinate upon should they be on fire.

yebbut, would you **** yer pants if that were the only other alternative?

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
In news:[email protected],
Austin Shackles wrote:
|| It wasn't just the trade stands they were nicking from though. Four
|| doors down from my friends caravan had their Dixon Bate adjustable
|| tow hitch removed from his vehicle one evening.....
|
| and that very likely ain't covered by insurance. reminds me, must
| hunt small padlocks to secure the buggers - the R clip thing is all
| fine but not secure. it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock,
| which would deter the casual tealeaves. Since it's impossible to
| secure anything against aa determined thief, there's no point in
| trying.


You may not stop a determined thief, but it's still worth trying because
you at least prevent casual theft..

Dixon-Bate do a lockable pin for their adjustable couplings which is not
too expensive.
www.dixon-bate.co.uk for details.

Bought mine from www.towbarwarehouse.co.uk when I got my Shocklink. It
is not listed, but they do have, or can get, them. Sorry, could not find
the invoice to check the price.

Rather than fudging a padlock why not use the proper bit of kit?

Mark
--

 
On or around Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:12:00 GMT, "Mark Pewsey"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In news:[email protected],
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>|| It wasn't just the trade stands they were nicking from though. Four
>|| doors down from my friends caravan had their Dixon Bate adjustable
>|| tow hitch removed from his vehicle one evening.....
>|
>| and that very likely ain't covered by insurance. reminds me, must
>| hunt small padlocks to secure the buggers - the R clip thing is all
>| fine but not secure. it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock,
>| which would deter the casual tealeaves. Since it's impossible to
>| secure anything against aa determined thief, there's no point in
>| trying.
>
>
>You may not stop a determined thief, but it's still worth trying because
>you at least prevent casual theft..
>
>Dixon-Bate do a lockable pin for their adjustable couplings which is not
>too expensive.
>www.dixon-bate.co.uk for details.

..com, not .co.uk...

>Rather than fudging a padlock why not use the proper bit of kit?

since the pin on mine is just a straight 3/4" pin from one side to the
other, retained by an R clip, the obvious answer is a padlock through the
hole where the R clip normally goes. might need the hole drilling out a
tad.

might be that their pinlock is slightly more secure, but as has already been
discussed, you can't prevent the determined thieves anyway, they tend to
come equipped to cut through stuff.

There was a story about a garage with nipponesque 4x4s out front. The boss
asked the oik to go and fetch XYZ from the front to the workshop in order
for it to be prepped for delivery. Oik reports "it won't start". Boss goes
out, finds it won't start, opens the bonnet and finds the whole engine and
'box missing, it having been removed by the brilliant device of a gas-axe
through the mountings.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
 
or http://www.dixonbate.co.uk


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:12:00 GMT, "Mark Pewsey"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In news:[email protected],
> >Austin Shackles wrote:
> >|| It wasn't just the trade stands they were nicking from though. Four
> >|| doors down from my friends caravan had their Dixon Bate adjustable
> >|| tow hitch removed from his vehicle one evening.....
> >|
> >| and that very likely ain't covered by insurance. reminds me, must
> >| hunt small padlocks to secure the buggers - the R clip thing is all
> >| fine but not secure. it'd be easy enough to have a small padlock,
> >| which would deter the casual tealeaves. Since it's impossible to
> >| secure anything against aa determined thief, there's no point in
> >| trying.
> >
> >
> >You may not stop a determined thief, but it's still worth trying because
> >you at least prevent casual theft..
> >
> >Dixon-Bate do a lockable pin for their adjustable couplings which is not
> >too expensive.
> >www.dixon-bate.co.uk for details.
>
> .com, not .co.uk...
>
> >Rather than fudging a padlock why not use the proper bit of kit?
>
> since the pin on mine is just a straight 3/4" pin from one side to the
> other, retained by an R clip, the obvious answer is a padlock through the
> hole where the R clip normally goes. might need the hole drilling out a
> tad.
>
> might be that their pinlock is slightly more secure, but as has already
been
> discussed, you can't prevent the determined thieves anyway, they tend to
> come equipped to cut through stuff.
>
> There was a story about a garage with nipponesque 4x4s out front. The
boss
> asked the oik to go and fetch XYZ from the front to the workshop in order
> for it to be prepped for delivery. Oik reports "it won't start". Boss
goes
> out, finds it won't start, opens the bonnet and finds the whole engine and
> 'box missing, it having been removed by the brilliant device of a gas-axe
> through the mountings.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1


 
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