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"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:05:00 -0000, Lee_D wrote:
>
>>> a big empty fuel tank will make a big enough bang if it goes up
>>> from the vapour alone.
>
> Aye empty tanks are far more dangerous than full ones. Nice fuel air
> mixture just ripe to go BOOM given the chance. 100% neat fuel won't
> burn, no oxygen. Volatile fuels like petrol are nasty though as they
> can produce a nice fuel/air mix very quickly. (I won't use *any*
> petrol to start a fire again in a hurry...)
>
>> Ian Rawlings doesn't live on this estate does he?
>
> That name rings a small bell, not a special effects chap is he?
>
> --
> Cheers [email protected]
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
that true Dave and the real problem comes when the tank gets very hot and
the fuel starts to boil - there will/should be a venting process to prevent
a breach if its not cooled the next stage is a Bleve (pronounced Blevvy)
boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion at which point you really want to
be several miles away preferably in somewhere very solid say a nuclear
bunker? theres a movie of a small road tanker having a bleve at
http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/video/truckfire.htm nothing like the scale of
Hemels fire
Derek
(ADR certified and nervous)


 
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:27:09 GMT, Derek wrote:

> that true Dave and the real problem comes when the tank gets very
> hot and the fuel starts to boil - there will/should be a venting
> process to prevent a breach

Effectively a "controlled" burn off.

> if its not cooled the next stage is a Bleve (pronounced Blevvy)
> boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion at which point you really
> want to be several miles away

I can imagine that being near by would not be very healthy. I can't
imagine this being the case for the initial explosion this morning
though, the ones 20 mins later maybe. Caught a bit earlier this
evening (Ch4 News?) where the MP and ex fire fighter was talking about
the incident. He mentioned in passing that the depot wasn't working
fully and was in some form of maintenance...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:30:10 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Austin Shackles" wrote
>>
>> That's one fair-sized fire they've got there.
>>
>>
>Our cats had woken us up just before the BOOM, yes we hear it here and
>quite loud, amazing.

I'm in Luton and I slept through it. As usual. I've been known to
sleep through earthquakes before. (Birmingham area, a couple of years
ago)

Alex
 
On Sunday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Derek" wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:05:00 -0000, Lee_D wrote:
> >
> >>> a big empty fuel tank will make a big enough bang if it goes up
> >>> from the vapour alone.
> >
> > Aye empty tanks are far more dangerous than full ones. Nice fuel air
> > mixture just ripe to go BOOM given the chance. 100% neat fuel won't
> > burn, no oxygen. Volatile fuels like petrol are nasty though as they
> > can produce a nice fuel/air mix very quickly. (I won't use *any*
> > petrol to start a fire again in a hurry...)
> >
> >
> that true Dave and the real problem comes when the tank gets very hot and
> the fuel starts to boil - there will/should be a venting process to prevent
> a breach if its not cooled the next stage is a Bleve (pronounced Blevvy)
> boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion at which point you really want to
> be several miles away preferably in somewhere very solid say a nuclear
> bunker? theres a movie of a small road tanker having a bleve at
> http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/video/truckfire.htm nothing like the scale of
> Hemels fire

I was trying to check the location on Google Earth. It's in a low-
resolution area, and it isn't very clear where the tanks are, not
compared to the Killingholme tank farms, which look to be much bigger.
But it's still frighteningly close to Hemel Hempstead.



--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:30:10 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Austin Shackles" wrote
>>>
>>> That's one fair-sized fire they've got there.
>>>
>>>
>>Our cats had woken us up just before the BOOM, yes we hear it here and
>>quite loud, amazing.
>
> I'm in Luton and I slept through it. As usual. I've been known to
> sleep through earthquakes before. (Birmingham area, a couple of years
> ago)
>
> Alex

i see it holds 5% of the uks fuel when full so how big an explosion would
the Fawley depot make if that went up


 
On 2005-12-11, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:05:00 -0000, Lee_D wrote:
>
>> Ian Rawlings doesn't live on this estate does he?
>
> That name rings a small bell, not a special effects chap is he?

No, just a gag by Lee about my earlier question on the group about
getting fuel out of a tank without blowing up a town. Not guilty!
I was playing poker at the time.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 

"cg1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Austin Shackles" wrote
>>>
>>> That's one fair-sized fire they've got there.
>>>
>>>
>> Our cats had woken us up just before the BOOM, yes we hear it here and
>> quite loud, amazing.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Bob
>> In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
>>
> 3 miles from ground zero .......house shaken and damaged.....was like an
> earthquake !
>
>
> still see the flame from here
>it is ment to hold 5% of the uk's fuel when fuel which slightly worries me
>as i live about one and a half miles from the fawley refinary nr
>southampton i am not sure how much fuel that holds but i bet its a bit more
>that 5%

i wonder if i would get chance to kiss my arse goodbye if that went up


 

""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sunday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Derek" wrote:
>
>> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:05:00 -0000, Lee_D wrote:
>> >
>> >>> a big empty fuel tank will make a big enough bang if it goes up
>> >>> from the vapour alone.
>> >
>> > Aye empty tanks are far more dangerous than full ones. Nice fuel air
>> > mixture just ripe to go BOOM given the chance. 100% neat fuel won't
>> > burn, no oxygen. Volatile fuels like petrol are nasty though as they
>> > can produce a nice fuel/air mix very quickly. (I won't use *any*
>> > petrol to start a fire again in a hurry...)
>> >
>> >
>> that true Dave and the real problem comes when the tank gets very hot
>> and
>> the fuel starts to boil - there will/should be a venting process to
>> prevent
>> a breach if its not cooled the next stage is a Bleve (pronounced Blevvy)
>> boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion at which point you really want
>> to
>> be several miles away preferably in somewhere very solid say a nuclear
>> bunker? theres a movie of a small road tanker having a bleve at
>> http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/video/truckfire.htm nothing like the scale of
>> Hemels fire
>
> I was trying to check the location on Google Earth. It's in a low-
> resolution area, and it isn't very clear where the tanks are, not
> compared to the Killingholme tank farms, which look to be much bigger.
> But it's still frighteningly close to Hemel Hempstead.
>
>
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> "I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."

It appears to be the tag C at
http://maps.google.com/local?hl=en&q=total&near=hemel+hempstead&btnG=Search
not clear at all but too close to the M1 hence the closures the map is
slightly better if you access www.streetmap.co.uk and input 508500,208500
as the os grid ref
Derek


 
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:56:26 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Not guilty! I was playing poker at the time.

Not in the back room of the local Off License by an chance?
(Saw the sign in the window).

 
On 2005-12-12, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Not in the back room of the local Off License by an chance?
> (Saw the sign in the window).

I only play "poker in the rear" when I'm away from home, best not to
get a reputation in your own neighbourhood.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
....and Ian Rawlings spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> On 2005-12-12, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>> Not in the back room of the local Off License by an chance?
>> (Saw the sign in the window).
>
> I only play "poker in the rear" when I'm away from home, best not to
> get a reputation in your own neighbourhood.

:)

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
I have NEVER heard so much twaddle.
It does not (did not) supply petrol or diesel.
It is (was) mainly heavy fuel oils and other distillates.
These things happen, thankfully not often.
Last incident on something NEAR this
scale was Flixborough in the 70s
Instead of complaining about the "possible"
rise in price of fuel be thankful it was a Sun
morning and nobody was killed.
I will bet your fuel cost dont go up, however your insurance will!
They got to get it back from somewhere.
The easiest target is YOU !!!!
Happy Xmas

"hammy1967" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:30:10 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Austin Shackles" wrote
>>>>
>>>> That's one fair-sized fire they've got there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Our cats had woken us up just before the BOOM, yes we hear it here and
>>>quite loud, amazing.
>>
>> I'm in Luton and I slept through it. As usual. I've been known to
>> sleep through earthquakes before. (Birmingham area, a couple of years
>> ago)
>>
>> Alex
>
> i see it holds 5% of the uks fuel when full so how big an explosion would
> the Fawley depot make if that went up
>


 
tomtom <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> I have NEVER heard so much twaddle.
> It does not (did not) supply petrol or diesel.
> It is (was) mainly heavy fuel oils and other distillates.
> These things happen, thankfully not often.
> Last incident on something NEAR this
> scale was Flixborough in the 70s
> Instead of complaining about the "possible"
> rise in price of fuel be thankful it was a Sun
> morning and nobody was killed.
> I will bet your fuel cost dont go up, however your insurance will!
> They got to get it back from somewhere.
> The easiest target is YOU !!!!
> Happy Xmas

H'mmm thanks for clarifying that, I'll let you know if I get a full nig...
zzzzzZZZZZZZ



Lee D


 
On or around Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:10:47 GMT, "tomtom" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>I have NEVER heard so much twaddle.
>It does not (did not) supply petrol or diesel.

Oh? So I suppose all the talk about getting supplies to the garages served
by about 3 major suppliers in addition to total/texaco from other depots was
a load of twaddle, too?

>It is (was) mainly heavy fuel oils and other distillates.

The info I've heard implies that it was all kind of oils including petrol
and diesel.

>Instead of complaining about the "possible"
>rise in price of fuel be thankful it was a Sun
>morning and nobody was killed.

That went without saying, for me at least.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
 
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:10:47 GMT, "tomtom" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I have NEVER heard so much twaddle.
>It does not (did not) supply petrol or diesel.
>It is (was) mainly heavy fuel oils and other distillates.
>These things happen, thankfully not often.
>Last incident on something NEAR this
>scale was Flixborough in the 70s

Ah, I remember my first pint, too...

 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2005-12-12, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>

Seems George Best was not buried in Belfast after all, but maybe his cremation in
Hemel Hemptsed was a mistake!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
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