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The Series 2 passed its MoT on Wednesday!

It only needed a slight adjustment to one headlight (carried out on the fly)
and it sailed through. The examiner even commented on the excellent state
of the chassis (just one bulkhead outrigger starting to go) and the overall
condition. He wasn't happy with the wheel studs (I have fitted modulars and
the nuts don't quite cover the threads) so he spent 10 minutes with the book
checking, but couldn't find anything referring to wheel studs apart from
"must be present". :)

Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible trouble
getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted new brakes
(cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured the problem in the
end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes. Instant stopping power (at
least to MoT standard). There's something about the new shoes I got that
ain't quite right.

Anyroadup, I have the great pleasure of "taxing" it now (that'll be zero
pounds, Sir), and then we'll be back on the road for another year and I can
give the Disco a bit of a rest.

If you can get to my house sometime this evening, I'll stand you a drink.

Wahey!

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Richard Brookman wrote:

> Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible trouble
> getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted new brakes
> (cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured the problem in the
> end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes. Instant stopping power (at
> least to MoT standard). There's something about the new shoes I got that
> ain't quite right.

A couple of thoughts. Are the shoes radiused correctly for the drums?

And secondly I've had a few (non-LR) problems with brake shoes that have
a very soft lining material on them. Until it has been heated and
hardened in service it is almost rubber like and leaves the brake pedal
feeling much as if there is air in the system.


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EMB
 
EMB wrote:

|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||
||| Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible
||| trouble getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted
||| new brakes (cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured
||| the problem in the end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes.
||| Instant stopping power (at least to MoT standard). There's
||| something about the new shoes I got that ain't quite right.
||
|| A couple of thoughts. Are the shoes radiused correctly for the
|| drums?

The shoe radius looks right, but I reckon the tabs on the top of the shoes
(where it fits into the slave cylinder) are about 1mm longer than on the
originals. This ties in with the wear pattern on the lining after a 10 mile
run round the lanes trying to get some brakes - about 15mm at the top of
each shoe was making contact, the rest was untouched.

I've put the old linings back on (plenty of wear yet) just to get the thing
back on the road. I'm going to have a careful look at the "new" shoes
sometime soon and see if taking a small amount off the ends will improve
matters.

|| And secondly I've had a few (non-LR) problems with brake shoes that
|| have a very soft lining material on them. Until it has been heated
|| and hardened in service it is almost rubber like and leaves the
|| brake pedal feeling much as if there is air in the system.

No, these were fine.

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message

> Anyroadup, I have the great pleasure of "taxing" it now (that'll be zero
> pounds, Sir)

I just had that pleasure this afternoon for the first time :cool:, the woman in
the post office looked a bit disappointed!.

Greg


 

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> The Series 2 passed its MoT on Wednesday!
>
> It only needed a slight adjustment to one headlight (carried out on the
fly)
> and it sailed through. The examiner even commented on the excellent state
> of the chassis (just one bulkhead outrigger starting to go) and the
overall
> condition. He wasn't happy with the wheel studs (I have fitted modulars
and
> the nuts don't quite cover the threads) so he spent 10 minutes with the
book
> checking, but couldn't find anything referring to wheel studs apart from
> "must be present". :)
>
> Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible trouble
> getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted new brakes
> (cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured the problem in the
> end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes. Instant stopping power
(at
> least to MoT standard). There's something about the new shoes I got that
> ain't quite right.
>

In the early '70s when the first Series 3s were new and on the very first
brake relines I noticed that the original linings on the shoes were stamped
on the edge 'MTX 22 FF' which were obviously the factory fitment from new.
they were drilled not bonded and in those days four drilled linings supplied
with rivets to suit cost £17.50. Mintex also supplied boxed axle sets of
four bonded shoes for £6.00. The bonded linings were not actually fitted by
Mintex themselves but 'farmed out' and were absolute crap, twisted shoes,
bent adjuster pins and obviously not the same quality of lining material. In
those days you had to return a set of old shoes for relining or pay a
surcharge of £4.00, and in return got old shoes that someone must have
forced off with a tyre lever etc. You can't beat relining your own shoes
with decent material and replacing them in the same drum in the same
position, perfect brakes instantly with maximum pedal. Today it's the same
sort of crap job but cheaply made new shoes and they don't want the old ones
back, by the time they are bedded in they are worn out again. I wish I could
still buy these linings and rivets. Progress I suppose.

Martin


 
On or around Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:31:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The Series 2 passed its MoT on Wednesday!
>
>It only needed a slight adjustment to one headlight (carried out on the fly)
>and it sailed through. The examiner even commented on the excellent state
>of the chassis (just one bulkhead outrigger starting to go) and the overall
>condition. He wasn't happy with the wheel studs (I have fitted modulars and
>the nuts don't quite cover the threads) so he spent 10 minutes with the book
>checking, but couldn't find anything referring to wheel studs apart from
>"must be present". :)
>
>Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible trouble
>getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted new brakes
>(cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured the problem in the
>end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes. Instant stopping power (at
>least to MoT standard). There's something about the new shoes I got that
>ain't quite right.
>
>Anyroadup, I have the great pleasure of "taxing" it now (that'll be zero
>pounds, Sir), and then we'll be back on the road for another year and I can
>give the Disco a bit of a rest.
>
>If you can get to my house sometime this evening, I'll stand you a drink.

bugger, it's tomorrow already...
--
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Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

||| If you can get to my house sometime this evening, I'll stand you a
||| drink.
||
|| bugger, it's tomorrow already...

Plan worked, then. :)

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In message <[email protected]>
"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> > The Series 2 passed its MoT on Wednesday!
> >
> > It only needed a slight adjustment to one headlight (carried out on the
> fly)
> > and it sailed through. The examiner even commented on the excellent state
> > of the chassis (just one bulkhead outrigger starting to go) and the
> overall
> > condition. He wasn't happy with the wheel studs (I have fitted modulars
> and
> > the nuts don't quite cover the threads) so he spent 10 minutes with the
> book
> > checking, but couldn't find anything referring to wheel studs apart from
> > "must be present". :)
> >
> > Regular readers may remember that I have been having terrible trouble
> > getting the brakes to work satisfactorily after I fitted new brakes
> > (cylinders, pipes, drums, springs and shoes). I cured the problem in the
> > end by refitting the old part-worn brake shoes. Instant stopping power
> (at
> > least to MoT standard). There's something about the new shoes I got that
> > ain't quite right.
> >
>
> In the early '70s when the first Series 3s were new and on the very first
> brake relines I noticed that the original linings on the shoes were stamped
> on the edge 'MTX 22 FF' which were obviously the factory fitment from new.
> they were drilled not bonded and in those days four drilled linings supplied
> with rivets to suit cost £17.50. Mintex also supplied boxed axle sets of
> four bonded shoes for £6.00. The bonded linings were not actually fitted by
> Mintex themselves but 'farmed out' and were absolute crap, twisted shoes,
> bent adjuster pins and obviously not the same quality of lining material. In
> those days you had to return a set of old shoes for relining or pay a
> surcharge of £4.00, and in return got old shoes that someone must have
> forced off with a tyre lever etc. You can't beat relining your own shoes
> with decent material and replacing them in the same drum in the same
> position, perfect brakes instantly with maximum pedal. Today it's the same
> sort of crap job but cheaply made new shoes and they don't want the old ones
> back, by the time they are bedded in they are worn out again. I wish I could
> still buy these linings and rivets. Progress I suppose.
>
> Martin
>
>

Trala!!!


AAU8471 Brake Lining Kit - Axle Set - Riveted Type Linings for
Replacement of Bonded Originals -
109 Front (Except 6-Cylinder & Stage I V8)
£5.05 inc VAT

AAU9942 Brake Lining Kit - Axle Set - Riveted Type Linings for
Replacement of Bonded Originals - Axle Set -
88in Front to 1980/88in Rear
£4.46 inc VAT

STC2795 Brake Lining Kit - Axle Set - Riveted Type Linings -
Axle Set - 109 Rear
£4.96 inc VAT

STC2795G Brake Lining Kit - Axle Set - Riveted Type Linings -
Axle Set - 109 Rear
£47.00 inc VAT

The ones specifically for replacing original riveted linings
have been NLA for years though.

Richard

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Greg wrote:

|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote
|| in message
||
||| Anyroadup, I have the great pleasure of "taxing" it now (that'll be
||| zero pounds, Sir)
||
|| I just had that pleasure this afternoon for the first time :cool:, the
|| woman in the post office looked a bit disappointed!.
||
|| Greg

Well, I have just done the deed online, and it took about 5 minutes,
including the time to dash outside and check the mileage. I have to say
that is a brilliant service, compared with 4 hours panic while I searched
for the documents, an hour off work to find a Post Office, and an hour to
queue with the 14-year-olds with prams, for my disc, all for the pleasure of
hearing "there will be no charge, Sir" at the end of it.

One BIG drawback, though. I now have a new "electronic" MoT certificate,
but under Model, it says "Jeep". I searched for several minutes with the
tester, but there was nowhere on the system to enter "Land Rover 88 inch",
never mind SWB or "Series 2".

<retch>

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Richard Brookman wrote:

|| Well, I have just done the deed online, and it took about 5 minutes
<snip>

Quick Q for those that know -

The vehicle is fully legal and "taxed", but I have to wait 5 days for the
new tax disc. Am I legal to drive it like this? I will take the obvious
precaution of carrying printouts of the web page and email confirming I have
successfully taxed it, in case anyone wants to see.

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On or around Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:23:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>||| If you can get to my house sometime this evening, I'll stand you a
>||| drink.
>||
>|| bugger, it's tomorrow already...
>
>Plan worked, then. :)

speaking of plans... any chance you could come via here bringing those side
steps on the way to the unofficial? I can arrange a contribution to the
fuel and a cuppa.

--
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"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:23:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Austin Shackles wrote:
|||
|||||| If you can get to my house sometime this evening, I'll stand you
|||||| a drink.
|||||
||||| bugger, it's tomorrow already...
|||
||| Plan worked, then. :)
||
|| speaking of plans... any chance you could come via here bringing
|| those side steps on the way to the unofficial? I can arrange a
|| contribution to the fuel and a cuppa.
||
|| --
|| Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
|| "Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
|| Agricola, 30

I'm working down in Sussex the day before, so plans for the Friday aren't
worked out yet - I could well be setting off late after a day's work and a
250 mile drive home on the Thursday (not as capable of these stunts as I
used to be). If not, I will bring them up to you one weekend. Now the S2a
is road legal again, I'd quite like to give it a decent run out. Could you
email me your postcode?

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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:38:24 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:

> Well, I have just done the deed online, and it took about 5 minutes,

Just got my tax thingy through, I'll be supporting our local rural post
office, dispite the fact that doing it online would be quicker and more
convient. Was suprised to see no requirement to show an insurance
certificate, only the MOT (which is an electronic one).

> One BIG drawback, though. I now have a new "electronic" MoT
> certificate, but under Model, it says "Jeep".

I'd worry about that a "Land Rover" is not a "Jeep", could be awkward if
a wooden top needs to look at your documentation for some reason. See's a
Land Rover, papers say Jeep. Hello, hello, hello, whats going on here
then...

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Dave Liquorice wrote:

|| On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:38:24 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:
||
||| Well, I have just done the deed online, and it took about 5 minutes,
||
|| Just got my tax thingy through, I'll be supporting our local rural
|| post office, dispite the fact that doing it online would be quicker
|| and more convient.

I would have done this myself, but our rural Post Office disappeared about
five years ago.

|| Was suprised to see no requirement to show an
|| insurance certificate, only the MOT (which is an electronic one).

They can now check you are insured electronically too. And if you're in
receipt of a War Pension and a lot else.

||| One BIG drawback, though. I now have a new "electronic" MoT
||| certificate, but under Model, it says "Jeep".
||
|| I'd worry about that a "Land Rover" is not a "Jeep", could be
|| awkward if a wooden top needs to look at your documentation for some
|| reason. See's a Land Rover, papers say Jeep. Hello, hello, hello,
|| whats going on here then...

Unlikely, as it says Make: Land Rover, Model: Jeep. I think even the
woodenest top could work that one out!

<pedant> Actually, it says JEEP, so it's not _necessarily_ Jeep with a
capital J, as in the manufacturer. It could just be "jeep" as in the US
slang for General Purpose, which it is. Sort of.
</>

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message

> The vehicle is fully legal and "taxed", but I have to wait 5 days for the
> new tax disc.

And be at the mercy of the postal service... This is exactly why I won't use
the on-line system, what if I get pulled in that 5 days or up to as many
days as it takes to get a replacement sent if it's lost in the post along
with the millions of other items.

On that note, yesterday I received a knock on the door from the post office,
all apologetic that a parcel had been torn open and had to be taped, up and
could I check the contents while he waited, well the item was complete but
there were also two items from someone else's damaged parcel included!,
gives you lots of confidence doesn't it :cool:.

Greg


 
Greg wrote:

|| On that note, yesterday I received a knock on the door from the post
|| office, all apologetic that a parcel had been torn open and had to
|| be taped, up and could I check the contents while he waited, well
|| the item was complete but there were also two items from someone
|| else's damaged parcel included!, gives you lots of confidence
|| doesn't it :cool:.

Well, yes. Given that accidents and damage will happen occasionally, I
reckon that what happened to you seems a pretty good way of resolving it.
Better that than chucking them at you without an apology, or even
conveniently "losing" them, which is what I suspect a lot of commercial
carriers do.

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message

> Well, yes. Given that accidents and damage will happen occasionally, I
> reckon that what happened to you seems a pretty good way of resolving it.
> Better that than chucking them at you without an apology, or even
> conveniently "losing" them, which is what I suspect a lot of commercial
> carriers do.

Agreed, but it would be far better if the several million items a year
didn't go astray in the first place :cool:
Greg


 
Greg wrote:

|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote
|| in message
||
||| Well, yes. Given that accidents and damage will happen
||| occasionally, I reckon that what happened to you seems a pretty
||| good way of resolving it. Better that than chucking them at you
||| without an apology, or even conveniently "losing" them, which is
||| what I suspect a lot of commercial carriers do.
||
|| Agreed, but it would be far better if the several million items a
|| year didn't go astray in the first place :cool:
|| Greg

I'm a realist. Given the size of the PO operation, some items missing or
damaged are inevitable. Whether "some" includes numbers up to several
millions is another matter, of course :)

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message

> I'm a realist. Given the size of the PO operation, some items missing or
> damaged are inevitable. Whether "some" includes numbers up to several
> millions is another matter, of course :)

Some yes, but it currently stands at 14.6 million items a year lost and a
lot more late, here's the story:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=406889&in_page_id=2

So I'd much rather get my disc directly than mess about with the on-line
service.

Greg


 
On 2006-10-22, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

> Some yes, but it currently stands at 14.6 million items a year lost and a
> lot more late, here's the story:
> http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=406889&in_page_id=2

That's a **** story. Beware of any story that tells you that x
million widgets were screwed up that year but doesn't mention how many
widgets weren't screwed up as it's relying on large numbers to scare
you. It's an example of the sloppy journalism that's rife.

For the record, 14.6 million items lost or damaged in a year, versus
22 billion that weren't. That's 0.06% of the deliveries that were
****ed up if I've got my maths right. Not quite so "oh woe is me" as
the story suggests, but they need to sell their papers so you get sold
a lie.

So if you rely on the royal mail, you have a 99.98% chance of it
working, whereas if you read a news outlet you have a 99.98% chance of
being sold a cock-and-bull story in order that they can sell more
advertising space.

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