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rads wrote:

> A friend of mine tells a story of a gentleman he was having words with
> who "failed the attitude test"; lippy, rude and abusive.
>
> My friend then went through his motor with a fine-toothed comb, and
> eventually had him prosecuted for having no windscreen washer fluid,
> which is, apparently an offence.
>
> Petty and nit-picking possibly, but in the circumstances justifiable,
> and, I thought, funny.
>
> David
>
I was stopped for a 'technical' offence a year or so ago, an unmarked car came
out from nowhere & flagged me down. I didn't know what I'd done was an offence,
but I admitted exactly what I'd done, & mentioned I did it every time at those
lights. He told me off, & let me off - presumably 'cos I'd shown the 'right'
attitude. I was surprised, pleased, & have not done that manoeuvre again. Yep,
some police (even here in Queensland) do have a heart

Now in Victoria, they shoot first & ask questions later ...

Karen

--
Karen

If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.'
Catherine Aird

On 23 Oct 2006 00:56:39 -0700, Greg wrote:

>> But you only have 13, 15, or 16 day window. What do you do if you are
>> on holiday, abroad, for the last fortnight of Febuary?
>
> Presumably you have to SORN it before you go if you want to be sure.
>
>> And you have the right to contest it (I hope...)
>
> Assuming the law is as the police site says then on what grounds can
> you contest it?

You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window. If you
aren't in the country or prehaps laid up in hospital how can you do
either? Those are the grounds.

> Money in the post is not money paid to the recipient, as my credit card
> company was only too happy to charge me £12 for last month 8-(.

Ha tell me about it. I reckon the barstewards deliberately move the pay
by date each month to create confusion and such mistakes. What really
pees me off though is electronic transfers still taking days and the fact
the delay varies depending on source and destination even though the
money vanishes from my account the moment I press "confirm payment".

>> the "reasonable man" would laugh at plod for being so fecking stupid.
>
> But the magistrate, operating the government's latest tax collection
> scheme, is going to follow the letter. He has no power to discard a law
> he may personally think is stupid, and if he tried he'd be in big
> trouble.

So he does you but you appeal and go to the next court up... He could of
course award you your costs and a penny fine.

> Anyway, until it changes you can be automatically fined on the first of
> the month as the TV advertising campaign points out.

Haven't seen that. Don't watch much TV and that that I do watch doesn't
have ads, oh I don't take a paper either. They should not rely on the
media to push their message their only reliable means of contact is with
the renewal.

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"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window.

I assumed you could SORN any time but their web site says not, that only
leaves the option of getting someone else to tax it for you if you're on
holiday for more than a fortnight which is damn silly.

>Haven't seen that. Don't watch much TV and that that I do watch doesn't
have ads, oh I don't take a paper either. They should not rely on the
media to push their message their only reliable means of contact is with
the renewal.

I seem to remember some scrap of paper in with a registration reminder, but
wouldn't swear to it.

Greg

"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window.
>
> I assumed you could SORN any time but their web site says not,

I remember in a previous post that someone said they had SORNed *all* their
vehicles at the same time, so they don't forget any????

Martin

that only
> leaves the option of getting someone else to tax it for you if you're on
> holiday for more than a fortnight which is damn silly.
>
> >Haven't seen that. Don't watch much TV and that that I do watch doesn't
> have ads, oh I don't take a paper either. They should not rely on the
> media to push their message their only reliable means of contact is with
> the renewal.
>
> I seem to remember some scrap of paper in with a registration reminder,
but
> wouldn't swear to it.
>
> Greg
>
>

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:54:08 -0000, "Oily"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> >You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window.
>>
>> I assumed you could SORN any time but their web site says not,
>
>I remember in a previous post that someone said they had SORNed *all* their
>vehicles at the same time, so they don't forget any????

you can SORN anytime (though that is for things that are already
SORN'd - it may differ for things that are currently taxed).

I do all mine every couple of months! they keep me busy filling in
crap, so i shall keep them busy posting crap back to me.

I think that next time i am going to SORN everything gradually over a
week (one per evening) as then they will put them all in seperate
envelopes..

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:02:00 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:42:28 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> I would have done this myself, but our rural Post Office disappeared
>> about five years ago.
>
>Ah... Hopefully the PO in the town will never close, it's also the local
>delivery office. The two sub-post offices in the villages struggle
>though, I can see one or both of those closing at least the PO part if
>not the shop.
>
>> || Was suprised to see no requirement to show an
>> || insurance certificate, only the MOT (which is an electronic one).
>>
>> They can now check you are insured electronically too.
>
>So why do I have to show my electronic MOT? Seems a bit daft but maybe
>the system hasn't caught up...

I didnt have to show mine when i taxed my car a couple of weeks ago!.
I had all the stuff with me but he only wanted the V5! after he
scanned in the barcode i assume it looked it up online.

On or around Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:18:44 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:54:08 -0000, "Oily"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window.
>>>
>>> I assumed you could SORN any time but their web site says not,
>>
>>I remember in a previous post that someone said they had SORNed *all* their
>>vehicles at the same time, so they don't forget any????
>
>you can SORN anytime (though that is for things that are already
>SORN'd - it may differ for things that are currently taxed).
>

I don't think so. you can get a refund for unused (whole months of) tax.

What's bloody ridiculous is that you have to *renew* the frigging SORN. Once
it's been SORNed, it's off-road unless or until it's taxed again. The only
thing that renewing the SORN every year does is make extra work, extra
expense and the chance to catch someone out and fine 'em 40 quid.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:18:44 +0000, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:54:08 -0000, "Oily"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> >You can only register *OR* SORN in the 13, 15 or 16 day window.
> >>>
> >>> I assumed you could SORN any time but their web site says not,
> >>
> >>I remember in a previous post that someone said they had SORNed *all*
their
> >>vehicles at the same time, so they don't forget any????
> >
> >you can SORN anytime (though that is for things that are already
> >SORN'd - it may differ for things that are currently taxed).
> >
>
> I don't think so. you can get a refund for unused (whole months of) tax.
>
> What's bloody ridiculous is that you have to *renew* the frigging SORN.
Once
> it's been SORNed, it's off-road unless or until it's taxed again. The
only
> thing that renewing the SORN every year does is make extra work, extra
> expense and the chance to catch someone out and fine 'em 40 quid.
>
>

I've managed to avoid it up to now but as you say the SORN should be
indefinite, if you state the vehicle is off the road then that's good enough
for a conviction no matter how long after. BTW, I thought it was 80 quid
Austin, or do they give a discount for locals? ;-)

Martin

On 2006-11-01, Oily <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've managed to avoid it up to now but as you say the SORN should be
> indefinite, if you state the vehicle is off the road then that's good enough
> for a conviction no matter how long after.

I suspect the SORN thing will change in the future to include some
kind of yearly charge for not using your car... I suspect this will
happen because if they decide to sting us with car tax then people
like me with toy cars that are driven occasionally will start SORNing
their toys in turn, using one for a few months, then SORNing it and
unSORNing another one.

Mechanisms put in place for us to use to avoid excessive tax are left
alone only if they see insignificant use, the Freedom of Information
act is a case in point, it's been such a success that the government
is now putting excessive restrictions on it, particularly aimed at
newspapers looking for data to back up stories.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:18:44 +0000, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> What's bloody ridiculous is that you have to *renew* the frigging SORN. Once
> it's been SORNed, it's off-road unless or until it's taxed again. The only
> thing that renewing the SORN every year does is make extra work, extra
> expense and the chance to catch someone out and fine 'em 40 quid.

The whole SORN thing is unnecessary and just another way of them trying
to catch you out with fines.
Why can they not just assume that if you have not renewed the tax it is
automatically off-road.

You cannot legally drive on the road when not currently taxedf
you cannot legally drive on the road when sorned.

therefore the sorn does not really need to exist!

On or around Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:30:24 -0000, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I've managed to avoid it up to now but as you say the SORN should be
>indefinite, if you state the vehicle is off the road then that's good enough
>for a conviction no matter how long after. BTW, I thought it was 80 quid
>Austin, or do they give a discount for locals? ;-)

40 quid if you pay up promptly and don't argue.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII

On 1 Nov 2006 05:31:09 -0800, "Tom Woods" <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:18:44 +0000, Tom Woods
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> What's bloody ridiculous is that you have to *renew* the frigging SORN. Once
>> it's been SORNed, it's off-road unless or until it's taxed again. The only
>> thing that renewing the SORN every year does is make extra work, extra
>> expense and the chance to catch someone out and fine 'em 40 quid.
>
>The whole SORN thing is unnecessary and just another way of them trying
>to catch you out with fines.
>Why can they not just assume that if you have not renewed the tax it is
>automatically off-road.
>
>You cannot legally drive on the road when not currently taxedf
>you cannot legally drive on the road when sorned.
>
>therefore the sorn does not really need to exist!

yes you can, as long as the vehicle is travelling to or from a
prebooked MOT, or place of repair in association with MOT work, again
booked in, a reasonable distance for repairs or MOT.
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....

Simon Isaacs wrote:
> On 1 Nov 2006 05:31:09 -0800, "Tom Woods" <[email protected]>
> scribbled the following nonsense:

> yes you can, as long as the vehicle is travelling to or from a
> prebooked MOT, or place of repair in association with MOT work, again
> booked in, a reasonable distance for repairs or MOT.

true, but that doesnt really affect what i said about the sorn though!

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > On or around Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:18:44 +0000, Tom Woods
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> > What's bloody ridiculous is that you have to *renew* the frigging SORN.
Once
> > it's been SORNed, it's off-road unless or until it's taxed again. The
only
> > thing that renewing the SORN every year does is make extra work, extra
> > expense and the chance to catch someone out and fine 'em 40 quid.
>
> The whole SORN thing is unnecessary and just another way of them trying
> to catch you out with fines.
> Why can they not just assume that if you have not renewed the tax it is
> automatically off-road.
>
> You cannot legally drive on the road when not currently taxedf
> you cannot legally drive on the road when sorned.
>
> therefore the sorn does not really need to exist!
>
I think you've got to actually say that it is off the road so they can fine
you more money for being a lying git. ;-)

Martin

Sorn is the bigest waste of time ever and will as said probably result in us
having to pay a fee in the future so we can be taxed some more. Have you
ever tried to sorn a vehicle that you have just bought that wasnt taxed. You
are required to do it within 1 day of buying the vehicle but if you send the
dvla the form they return it as the vehicle is not registered in your name
and therefor cant be sorned. On 1 vehicle they returned the form back to me
3 times!!!

This goverment is ruining the country and is only after the soft targets
that will pay up straight away. Do speed cameras have any effect on people
that keep their cars without registering them in there name- NO.

Best thing i head resently was to ask the DVLA what vehicles are registered
in your name. Apparently their computers cant answer that question but under
the freedom of information act they have to supply it. If they dont they
have to remove all your records from there computer!!!

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:50:45 -0000, "Nick" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Sorn is the bigest waste of time ever and will as said probably result in us
>having to pay a fee in the future so we can be taxed some more. Have you
>ever tried to sorn a vehicle that you have just bought that wasnt taxed. You
>are required to do it within 1 day of buying the vehicle but if you send the
>dvla the form they return it as the vehicle is not registered in your name
>and therefor cant be sorned. On 1 vehicle they returned the form back to me
>3 times!!!

I had that exact problem which resulted in them trying to fine me.

I sent back the sorn form that they had returned to me because it
wasnt in my name which they had handily dated and stamped, and then
recieved a 'we have decided not to persue your case' letter.

stupid system.