axles, axles, axles.. 300tdi abs to non abs vehicle

hi all gents and ladies..

i'm fairly new to the game of landymecano. and a little confused..

my disco1:
300tdi 94, non abs, 24spline, bent front axle case (looks like might have been replaced from a scrapyard), only noticed it after i put new wheelbearings and a new cv joint in... doh.

new axle:
off a 300tdi disco, 24 spline, don't know age. but with abs...

as the swivels are 100% on the donor axle i want to keep them, but swivel bearings felt notchy (cv and seal removed).
also grease in the wheelbearings and swivelbearings is brown... water damage? --> replace bearings.

? So am i right in saying: i have to stick with abs swivel pins and bearing setup.. right?

? what to do with the sensor? take out or leave in?

!!but more important is: can i just swap my stubs and hubs (from non abs) over to the abs swivel housing??!! the new cv joint is for both the abs and non..

please enlighten me

all the best
DD

yes you need to stick with top pin and bush as is ,just cut wire on sensor, leave in ,yes you can

Just bear in mind for the future if you come to replace the swivel balls and top bearings that they'll all be completely different.

ABS CVs are compatible with a NON ABS set up, but not the other way round, so you're good on that score.

The brake discs will have an ABS sensor ring on the back but that won't matter to you either.

I've just converted my Disco from ABS to non ABS, so pretty genned up on this subject at the minute.

thanks guys.

thats good news then about the hubs and stubs..

is britp good enough for the swivel bearings?

does anyone change the needle roller bearing in the stubaxle, local garage told me they never go.. is it worth it to change the seal in there..

was gona run grease instead of oil in the old axle, but donor axle has good swivels, no mark on them, maybe i shall put oil in?

DD

I'd change the seal but not the bearings. Although I changed it all to new due to worn stub axles, my old bearings were still fine.

I also changed from one shot grease back to EP90, but you'll need to make sure the seals are A1 if you decide to do this.
You'll also need to make sure you've got the fill/level/drain plug version of the swivel housings if you go down the EP90 route, otherwise finding a level and draining oil in the future will just be a ball ache.

hi mark.

no level plug, fill and drain though. stick with grease it seems.. or can i use the swivel housing of the non abs (with level plugs) onto the abs swivel...? stick with grease,says the voice in my head...

Mark L said:

I'd change the seal but not the bearings. Although I changed it all to new due to worn stub axles, my old bearings were still fine.
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so take the bearing out the stub axle, then replaced the seal, and put the old bearings back? i have no internal bearing puller. might damage it by tapping?

on the swivel bearings there was a definite tight spot, couldn't detect any play(had no wheels on)
? shall i change bottom bearing only, or pin as well?

and the top has a needle bearing that looks like a washer.. but didn't see a railko bush (is that a coppers sleve to the pin? only on older axels?)

should the whole assembly be changed? or just he needle bearing.

in the picture on rimbro there are washers the same size of the bearing.. couldn't see any in there..

can u tell i've never done a kingpin on anything...

DD

ah one more thing.. papergaskets or hylomar?

Mark.how did you change from abs to non abs.

Is it just a case of ripping it all out and change axles.

haigy said:

Mark.how did you change from abs to non abs.

Is it just a case of ripping it all out and change axles.

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cant you just cut wire from sensor in top pin

jamesmartin said:

cant you just cut wire from sensor in top pin

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that works

Hi. The easiest way to work on your swivels is to undo the nuts holding the entire hub assembly to the axle and pull it out with the half-shaft. then you can work on it comfortably on a bench, referring to whatever manual you may have.
I know the whole assembly weighs a lot but I found it far easier to strip it down that way than struggling kneeling down, and trying to get each part off at the car.
When I had replaced my swivel bearings and whatever else, I put the whole lot back minus the wheel bearings, which I put on last.
By the way, as to lubrication, I use a mixture of ep 90 and lithium grease, suitably warmed and then just glug it in to the filler hole. Been there now about a year and no problems.

I needed a new swivel ball, bearings and stub axles.
I was also converting to a vented brake set-up.

Made sense to rip it all out and do it properly.
My OCD tendencies were also a significant, contributory factor to doing it all tidy and proper.

I really should start a build thread sometime soon because to be quite honest, the axles are a work of f'king art.

hi thanks for you imput jamesmartin, markl, radagast, thor.

if i got the money i will replace all bearings and seals.. but if i'm tight on money i hope to get away with leaving the seal and bearing in the stubaxle alone, as i'm gona run grease.. hope that works.

still don't know what exactly to replace on the swivelbearings? just bottom bearing. bottom bearing and pin. also top bearing, or the hole thing bearings and pins?

love to see your vented braked axles mark..

what is the consencus on gaskets?
was thinking hylomar on diff and swivelflange..
shall i go gaskets in the hub?
i read somewhere someone quite often cleans and regreases wheelbearings.. etc.

DD

Here's a few quick shots to give you an idea.
Full build thread coming soon.

They do actually look good mark well done.

wow!

what did you paint the calipers with?

love that.
DD

POR-15 Caliper Painting kit.
Lot of work involved but results speak for themselves.

POR15 Caliper Painting Kits | Frost Auto Restoration Techniques


Oh, and I started afresh with brand new calipers as my old ones were had seen better days, so that obviously made life easier.

interesting mark, as mine are pretty ming i'll leave that till i have to replace them.

oh just found bits of the washer and bearing of the top pin...

also had a look at the stubaxle internal bearing.. how do i get that out??

DD