Auto gear change RPM

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Steve171054

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Good morning one and all, I wonder if somebody on this fine site could enlighten me a little ?, I have a 2001 Disco 2 ES auto and up to now fingers crossed its been behaving apart from the odd small job here and there !!, but I would like to know what the gear change rpm should be running normally, i have noticed it stays for a long time at just under 2500 rpm before changing into 4th at around 45/50 mph the majority of time I have to ease off the gas slightly before it does this ! is this normal what should be the ideal rpm for gear change ?
 
They do seem to rev quite highly - in fact when I first got mine I thought there was a clutch slipping somewhere. So it sounds pretty normal to me.

The other thing is not to confuse gearchanges with lock-up. The latter usually happens around 57 mph and feels like another gear as the revs drop off and everything goes quiet.

The less pressure on the throttle, the earlier the changes happen as the gearbox control unit looks at a number of parameters to decide when to change.
 
Thanks Ian for your speedy reply, not sure what lock up means mind you but if its normal thats OK !! Can I ask one more question, a auto box does have only 4 forword gears ?
 
Thanks Ian for your speedy reply, not sure what lock up means mind you but if its normal thats OK !! Can I ask one more question, a auto box does have only 4 forword gears ?

Hi Steve, the auto box that goes with TD5 has 4 forward gear plus hi and low.

The gear change point speeds are almost 100% determined by how much throttle you give her.

Changing into 4th at approx 45mph would be quite normal.

The Torque Converter (TC) that works within the autobox set-up act a bit like a clutch with a manual 'box car - until it reaches 48mph when 3 is selected or 52-55mph when D is selected on a light to medium throttle.

At these speeds the TC is designed to "lock up" which mean it no longer slips and gives a direct drive. Revs are lowered by about 600rpm and the whole car feels like it gets into it's stride, better response and better mpg.


Dave
 
if Dave's explanation seems too simple then analise this:D:
especially the highlighted part;)
RAVE - AUTOMATIC GEARBOX - ZF4HP22 - 24 - 44-18 DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION said:
Shift control
To provide the different driving characteristics for each mode of operation, the EAT ECU incorporates different shift
maps of throttle position/engine speed. Base shift points are derived from the appropriate shift map. When a shift is
required, the EAT ECU sends a request to the ECM for a reduction in engine torque, in order to produce a smoother
shift. The percentage of torque reduction requested varies according to the operating conditions at the time of the
request. When the EAT ECU receives confirmation of the torque reduction from the ECM, it then signals the shift
solenoid valves in the gearbox to produce the shift. To further improve shift quality, the EAT ECU also signals the
pressure regulating solenoid valve to modulate the hydraulic pressure and so control the rate of engagement and
disengagement of the brake clutches.
With time, the components in a gearbox wear and the duration of the gear shifts tends to increase, which has an
adverse effect on the brake clutches. To counteract this, the EAT ECU applies a pressure adaptation to each shift.

To calculate the adaptations, the EAT ECU monitors the pressure modulation used, and time taken, for each shift. If
a subsequent shift of the same type, in terms of throttle position and engine speed, has a longer duration, the EAT
ECU stores an adaptation for that type of shift in a volatile memory. The adaptation is then included in future pressure
calculations for that type of shift, to restore shift duration to the nominal.

Kickdown
The EAT ECU monitors the input of the throttle position sensor to determine when kickdown is required. When it
detects a kickdown situation, the EAT ECU immediately initiates a down shift provided the target gear will not cause
the engine speed limit to be exceeded.

Torque converter lock-up
The EAT ECU energises the lock-up solenoid valve to engage the lock-up clutch. Lock-up clutch operation is
dependent on throttle position, engine speed, operating mode and the range selected on the transfer box.
 
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Hi Steve, Mine is the same as yours on gear changes. I also get what I presume is 2nd to 3rd at about 32mph, as well as the 3rd to 4th at around 53mph once the transmission has warmed up (approx. 4-5miles running depending on how cold it is.)
 
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