anyone fitted a >2001 servo to a <2001 Freelander ?

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Joe_H

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Noticed the >2001 servo unit is MUCH larger (Deeper) than the <2001 models. Has anyone swapped one over (compete with master cylinder) ?
If so, did you come across any issues. ?

I know some have fitted the larger brakes, but wondered if anyone has fitted the servo ?

Need a bit more brake boost :).................
Many thanks
Joe
 
I've just compared the servo on my '99 L Series to my '01 K. The 01 servo is as you say very very much deeper - I don't know what that means - I don't know how they function.

The units are completely different, not just deeper - eg the fluid reservoir is fixed to the servo/master on the '99 - but is fixed to the bulkhead above the unit on the '01.

If you do swap over to a later unit, you will probably need to make your pipework to the ABS unit. You won't be able to take the pipes from the later car as it will also use the Teves rather than Wabco ABS unit - I didn't check, but I'm sure the inputs will be in different places.
 
hmmm, there could be an issue here - the RHD models have the remote reservoir - the LHD models do not - they have a fixed reservoir (SJY000020) which cost a bloody fortune) - there isnt much space on the LHD models due to turbo, pipework, airbox etc etc..... not much chance of finding one here unfortunately....
 
Joe_H said:
hmmm, there could be an issue here - the RHD models have the remote reservoir - the LHD models do not - they have a fixed reservoir (SJY000020) which cost a bloody fortune) - there isnt much space on the LHD models due to turbo, pipework, airbox etc etc..... not much chance of finding one here unfortunately....
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Hmm, on second thoughts - possibly would fit, it looks like the reason they changed the remote to a fixed on the LHD was that the bulkhead above the servo contains all the pipework and fittings for the MAP sensor and EGR pwm solenoid. The EGR is gone, so the whole pwm solenoid could be removed., map sensor is easily moved (he says lol ;)- -shouldn't be an issue though..
I presume on the RHD models the reservoir is remote because it would foul something on the engine otherwise ?

This is all hypothetical at this moment any - a sort of 'feasibility study' ;)

As for pipe work - are we thinking the female thread on the later master cylinder is the same as the early one - if so, the pipes on mine should fit -

Ah, was writing this while you posted Nodge - I will check the space but I think so as the later vehicles have this fitted and I don't think they altered much in that area...
The master cylinder is completely different unfortunately - as for the reservoir - actually it looks like the original reservoir 'may' fit in the holes in the new master cylinder --- will go and take a peak for space.... and possibly a piccie.....

Joe
 
Some piccies, I can see now why they shortened the master cylinder on the later one ! - that would leave the unit about the same overall length. - note the space on the passenger side lol :)
ABS in same place as RHD, looks like only thing would be the fuel filter that would be in the way - if pipes are same thread they should fit me thinks... once the turbo intake pipe is removed from the airbox there is plenty of room to work by the look of it. Could do with a shot of a later model LHD with the larger servo....

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Joe
 
Nodge68 said:
LR wouldn't have gone to the extra costs of a remote reservoir unless there was a definite need to. On the RHD V6 and TD4, a close coupled reservoir wouldn't have fitted. It would indeed foul the engine in both cases, so a remote reservoir is used.
Looking at the LHD V6, a conventional close coupled reservoir is used. So provided you have space, it should fit.
The threads for the piping should fit. They are larger than the standard m10, I assume that LR kept things the same however.
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Thanks Nodge. The only issue with a close coupled res' is getting one ! - as said 'possibly' the early one will fit - but it would be hard to tell - perhaps rimmer could try for me :) ...... - it could be that the spacing of the mounting hoses are the same size .. a bit tight around there - but with ducting removed there should be loads of room apart from the afore mentioned fuel filter.
Joe
 
Hi Nodge, i was referring to the close coupled res only (re difficult to obtain - it was only fitted to LHD units) - agreed, the servo and remote res should fit with a few 'extra holes' for self tappers :)
Looking at Close coupled units though - the disco one looks about right, also the original may well fit - it just depends on the hole spacing of the two 'holes' for the res to fit into - they are simply a soft bush in the hole in the master cyl and the plastic of the res pushes in - on the early one - that is the only fixing !. on the later one it appears to have a couple of locating clips. But, yes, the remote should fit fine. Ref the hole 'spacing' I can actually see them being fairly standard as I am sure the MC bodies are used on many different vehicles... (usually the case)...
If rimmer has one in stock (the master cylinder) I might ask them to 'test' a couple of close coupled units - like the original - mind you - I can get a mint unit complete - servo - mc and remote res for 20 quid lol :) - so not worth beggering about - when it gets here - if my cc units fits all well and good - if not - use the remote.
Might as well order one anyway at 20 squids - I have to order a wabco unit anyway so postage is the same.
Joe
 
Next question that passed through my tiny mind was - Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder if the beggers altered the servo mounting (4 threaded rods) - (didn't think they would as it would mean altering the pedal box mounting bracket as well where it bolts through)- answer !e NO they did not !. (frank buck!)...
A bit concerned when Microcat showed the gasket as part DCP7304L for specifically (V)1A000001 vin onwards - yikes ! - however - phew ! - also for vin (V)YA999999 the same part number was listed....
That also shows the pedal connection rod is the same length and fitting. - also checked that the complete pedal box assembly for the brake unit is the same part number on the early and later VINs. - it is.

Seems to all confirm it should fit and possibly quite a good upgrade on any early freelander
 
Nodge68 said:
The servo mount points are pretty much standard over all servos. The Freelander servo would also fit my Hillman Avenger, spacing wise.
All Freelander stuff is interchangeable as the bulkhead is the same pressing.
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Thats a very good point Nodge re the servo spacing for the mounts, never really gave it much thought before. :)

PS, does your Avenger even have brakes ? :D
 
Loving this thread guys as it was something I was thinking of too but the car I was looking at is gone so atm I'm looking at a 03 TD4 with a duff clutch and some dodgy paintwork. The guy is looking £600 but will prob take £400 - £500 to get rid.
 
Alibro said:
Loving this thread guys as it was something I was thinking of too but the car I was looking at is gone so atm I'm looking at a 03 TD4 with a duff clutch and some dodgy paintwork. The guy is looking £600 but will prob take £400 - £500 to get rid.
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Hi mate, :) - hope you get it sorted... (shame you cant get an L series ;) )

Anyway - some more info after mucho checking...................
The brake pipes on the later MC to ABS MOD are 6mm OD whereas the other pipes FROM the ABS MOD are 4.76mm. (As per rave) checked on my L series with wabco and the pipe sizes are the same (which is logical as the flow IN to the MOD is via two pipes whereas the output is via 4). so, they will match. Would presume they would fit ok on the RHD and certainly on the LHD (due to the LHD long pipe run allowing for a bit of 'adjustment' for the MC being about 75mm forward.
On the RHD it 'should' still be possible to retain the same pipes as the MC is now forward of where it was so that the brake pipes along the inner wing to the bulkhead will actually be slightly longer than needed - but a few careful tweaks will sort that.

Next is the master cylinder itself - there is only 1 master cylinder on the later units and it is fully abs compatible. On the early units there are abs and non abs cylinders depending on vehicle fitment spec (although why ANYBODY would have bought a freelander without the abs, hence tc and hdc is beyond me)
On the early units, the non abs cylinders are not protected against abs pump surge feedback to the MC due to the valve design inside, ABS mc's obviously are - so again, no worries on that account. An early freelander with non abs can certainly use the ABS type master cylinder and no difference will occur in operation.

All this is worth checking - for me it is measure three times and cut once lol :D - and I also 'may' be a bit of a geek :rolleyes: ..... :oops:

It is good fun though when it is too hot to work outside and unfortunately there is quite a bit of smoke from the forest fires :( - rather bad ! - just watching the water bombing helicopters..... hottest here since 1932 - yikes....
Joe
 
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