Anybody sold their Defender TD5 or Puma.....

lightning said:

My Defender TD5 is becoming more desirable as a keeper

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+1 - Given you've just experienced a single ECU failure, which was repairable, and repaired in relatively short order - I'd ask, quite seriously how you think most any new vehicle with 85 of the little darlings will cope when the toys go out of the pram...

I keep looking at "new" vehicles, mainly commercials, and mainly for tax reasons - but, there is no way in hell anyone could ever persuade me that 85 discreet ECU's in anything is going to work for a practical length of time - let alone in a LR product ...

Al2O3 said:

I don't mean to be rude, but you're either a tad daft. Or, have a massive pension lump sum on the way, of which 18k is just a small fraction. I hope you've got a massive lump some coming and a huge annual pension.

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Sadly not, the pension lump sum will total around £20,000

lightning said:

Sadly not, the pension lump sum will total around £20,000

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OMG You are developing the perfect storm.
The main issue with vehicle production currently is the supply of electronics. Where the manufacturers are getting what they can and not from preferred suppliers just get then and get the vehicles on the forecourt for sale.
4 years down the line you spend 90% of your pension pot on it.
You are a BRAVE man.

Got one at work and keep having problems with the camera’s n sensors. I would say the electrical gremlins or definitely a problem. But tbf the commercial takes a hammering we use it mainly off road what it is meant to do and it just takes everything, but the price for what it is 50/50 I say, stick with the 110 you will be happier.

Yes that makes sense, the new Defender was a dream car, sort of retirement present l guess.

Use for the business during the PCP payments then buy it at the end.

Doesn't look like l will be going ahead with it though, after reading the above.

Not want to put ya off, it’s just realistically what they are like plus the boot is actually quite small ya can’t just put shovels n spades quite in you’ve got to fiddle around n put them in at an angle. They are nice n more better to drive but for a commercial vehicle (our navara does the same n some, and the price was way cheaper work it out!), enjoy ya pension n don’t waste it.

lightning said:

Yes that makes sense, the new Defender was a dream car, sort of retirement present l guess.

Use for the business during the PCP payments then buy it at the end.

Doesn't look like l will be going ahead with it though, after reading the above.

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It's up to you mate, but close to retirement age I'd be hoping to make my pension and lump sum look after me for the years to come. Not put it in to something that will likely depreciate and will certainly cost a lot to maintain. You've already got a very desirable Defender

lightning said:

Yes that makes sense, the new Defender was a dream car, sort of retirement present l guess.

Use for the business during the PCP payments then buy it at the end.

Doesn't look like l will be going ahead with it though, after reading the above.

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Good decision. Our pensions are incredibly important and withdrawing lump sums to pay towards an ever depreciating object [very few cars are assets] would be crazy. Pensions/new Defenders aside, I've never understood why such a high percentage of people p!ss away their hard earned Nett income on new cars, whether payed for with DEBT [pcp, pch, personal lease, business lease]...or even worse, Nett cash. The calc'd out losses are huge.

There was a thread on, I think, Piston Heads many years ago where the contributors declared their true depreciation losses over a 5-10 year period. Some of the percentage and real term cash losses were staggering, with some losing [p!ssing away] 60+%, add to this interest costs and balloon payments it's no wonder most folk don't have a pot to p!ss in yet continue to incur DEBT for an object they simply cannot afford.

Apparently 90% of new cars are now bought on PCP
l don't like PCP but it was going to be the only way l could afford a new Defender

lightning said:

Apparently 90% of new cars are now bought on PCP
l don't like PCP but it was going to be the only way l could afford a new Defender

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Wait five years, reliability will have been proven and prices will have dropped to a theoretically sensible level

v8250 said:

Wait five years, reliability will have been proven and prices will have dropped to a theoretically sensible level

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Owning any new lr out of warranty is a recipe for disaster though!